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iPhone App Causes Google To Shut Down SMS Service

An anonymous reader writes "A few days ago, Inner Fence released a paid iPhone app called Infinite SMS, which let iPhone users employ Google's free SMS gateway to send SMS messages without paying their service providers. The resulting surge in traffic on Google's SMS gateway forced Google to block all third-party applications from using the free SMS feature — including Google's own GTalk client."

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  1. Well, by Jurily · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that's what you get for abusing a free service. Happy now?

    1. Re:Well, by imasu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is this abuse, exactly?

    2. Re:Well, by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that's what you get for abusing a free service. Happy now?

      No. That's what you get for offering a service without a proper business model behind it.

    3. Re:Well, by Ostracus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that's what you get for abusing a free service. Happy now?

      No. That's what you get for offering a service without a proper business model behind it.

      Hmmm, yes let's all remember that the next time OSS is discussed.

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    4. Re:Well, by pembo13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Charging for a service another entity subsidizes without their approval.

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    5. Re:Well, by Aranykai · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ive been sending sms messages to sprint users for free for years now. Just add @messaging.sprintpcs.com to then end of their phone number and send it as an email.

      Im sure most other providers do something similar.

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    6. Re:Well, by RichardJenkins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OSS stands for Open Source Software, not services. Why would you want to remember Google shutting down a free service when discussing open/free software?

    7. Re:Well, by djjockey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think they charged for a service that Google provided. They were charging for a piece of software to access the service. It's not like they were taking a fee per SMS.

    8. Re:Well, by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Making money off of a free service by vastly increasing the cost of running the free service without offering compensation especially when the economy is going to shit.

    9. Re:Well, by A1rmanCha1rman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A "Proper Business Model" in your view obviously means one that calculates for society's philistinism, self-centredness and lack of a group ethic.

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    10. Re:Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're not allowed all you can eat, then it's a lie to call it an all-you-can-eat buffet.

    11. Re:Well, by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whatever happened to politefulness and manners in this world?

    12. Re:Well, by digitalchinky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In all, it probably only actually had a total infrastructure cost of about $15 USD to support every scrap of traffic across every involved SS7 link. (I pulled $15 bucks from my backside, it was likely even less than that) Millions of messages? Billions? Doesn't really matter, these links are up 24/7 anyway, and if they aren't being used then they just idle. Now the phone companies will have you think that every bit is encapsulated in 24 carrot gold, sent through diamond encrusted tubes, and polished brighter than the sun before being given the privilege of hitting the recipients dirty message queue. It very likely cost google a fair chunk of change though, but the phone companies, virtually nothing. SMS is a very tiny and largely insignificant bit of allocated payload riding on the back of the out of band signalling system. What you have here is a cash cow for the telco, nothing more, nothing less. It's pure genius driven by greed.

      Free SMS can actually exist, just so long as the basic fee they charge for the service covers the infrastructure cost to run it each month, then end of story. This is likely not going to happen any time soon, remember, greed, uninformed customer base, cash cow.

    13. Re:Well, by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not just people, criminal organizations. SMS spam is already a problem, and if the same people sending the same unwanted junk mail manage to get ahold of a free SMS service, then they have the ability to not just hit millions of phones, but attack people they don't like with big phone bills. For example (obligatory car mention), sending someone 30,000 text messages likely will make most people's monthly phone bills cost more than the MSRP of a decent vehicle.

      In some ways, SMS spam is worse than E-mail spam. Unless the recipiant has unlimited text messaging, they pay up to a buck just to read about someone's new pharmacy.

    14. Re:Well, by Joebert · · Score: 5, Funny

      A tyranasaurus rex stepped on manners when it leaned over to bite politefulnesses' head off.

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    15. Re:Well, by Joebert · · Score: 3, Informative

      Lots of carriers have SMS gateways. :)

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    16. Re:Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but if you bring tupperware to the buffet, you're cheating.

    17. Re:Well, by Sophira · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most people in the US do.

    18. Re:Well, by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem is this is AT&T cellular. they charge for every outgoing and INCOMING sms message. So honestly they are not losing any money.

      This is the problem with SMS messages. they are overpriced drastically so people are looking for ways to subvert them.

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    19. Re:Well, by fractoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your obsession with unlimited-service-for-fixed-fee contracts in America is quite frankly puzzling. It's like you have to make every part of your capitalistic society and make it into pseudo-communism.

      It's never going to be possible to charge people a flat fee for all-you-can-use X without the bulk of the consumers overpaying for their moderate usage of X to subsidise the few who exploit the service. This holds for values of X such as bandwidth, pasta, text messaging, icecream, whatever.

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    20. Re:Well, by bill_kress · · Score: 2, Insightful

      remember that a lot of people are developing iPhone apps now.

      I'd complain if it were some large company that based their business model on this, but chances are it's just some guy or small company that figured out a cute, easy trick and tried to charge for it rather than give it away for free.

      I'm not condoning it, just pointing out that as the number of people grows, morals and consideration always go out the window unless forced.

    21. Re:Well, by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because OSS developers are always whining, and shutting down their software, everytime someone makes money from their product.

      Oh wait, they don't. In fact, Open Source explicitly allows, by definition, other people to make money from it.

    22. Re:Well, by youcantwin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's remember that next time [insert OSS project] failed/was stopped because it didn't have a proper business model behind it.

      That said, Google failed providing a decent authentication system to their free service. They should have used API keys and limit the number of calls each one can make if they can't support unlimited calls.
      My guess is that's what they're going to do next...

  2. TANSTASFL by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...except that inner fence have presumably sold a lot of now useless copies of their tool. So they are ahead a few bucks.

    1. Re:TANSTASFL by Inf0phreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      There Ain't No Such Thing As SMS From... what? Latvia?

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    2. Re:TANSTASFL by iamflimflam1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So they were in the top 10 paid apps for 11 days. According to here if you are in the top 15 paid apps you'll be selling at least 2836 units a day. According to my maths, after Apple has taken their cut they'll have made about $20K Not bad...

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    3. Re:TANSTASFL by NonUniqueNickname · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple always keeps their 30%. The developer puts up 100% of the money for a refund. Simplified math for a refund: Developer pays 30% of the app's price to Apple.
      Users have 30 days to ask for a refund from the app store. And you'd think many will ask for a refund when the service goes offline or shortly after. Why not? the app is useless to them.
      If everyone who can ask for a refund does, the developers doesn't profit, doesn't break even, the developer loses big.

  3. Lot's of iPhones out there by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This kind of puts the iPhone's market share in perspective doesn't it?

    1. Re:Lot's of iPhones out there by iamflimflam1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I mentioned in an earlier comment. If they got into the top 10 as they say they did and they were there for 11 days there must have been a significant number of downloads of the app: 20-30 thousand maybe? All sending hundreds of free SMS a day (it's free after all!). So that's an extra 2-3 million messages being sent on a daily basis...

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    2. Re:Lot's of iPhones out there by iamflimflam1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How much free time do you think these people have? Granted, the number is pulled from an orifice, but just think about how much time it would take to send out these hundreds of SMSs per person per day.

      You don't know many teenagers do you?

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  4. Re:kenneth by somenickname · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's not what TFA says (or the part that I read at least). It says, "Our experimental feature that we didn't widely publicize because we wanted to test it with limited numbers of users suddenly got slammed with traffic and we didn't feel like supporting it". That's a bit different than what you are implying.

  5. Re:Next target: AOL? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google haven't closed the service. They have just blocked third party apps from using it. AOL might just do that if a different client starts using this to send messages.

    I know somebody who set up an SMS spamming company in about 2000. He was always on the lookout for ways to send tens of thousands of SMS messages for free.

  6. Re:Well, Google HAD a business model! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SMS is very profitable to service providers.

    E.g. when developing SMS games around 2001, the raito of sent/received messages could go up to 4-5 sent by the game server / 1 sent by the user, and the provider would still buy the game.

    Google's model was: enable GTalk and other programs to send SMS-es. The SMS-es are delivered to phones.

    Now Google could allocate free sending quota from service providers telling them that these messages will be answered, and service providers can get their profit from the ANSWER SMS-es.

    Now this where this iPhone program is dangerous to Google.
    It cuts the single source of revenue from the providers: the response SMS could be also throught Google...

    Just my 2 cents...

  7. Inner Fence's and Google's Official Statement by krunk4ever · · Score: 5, Informative

    Inner Fence's Official Statement

    Google will soon block Infinite SMS and all other non-Google software from sending free text messages.

    For now, Infinite SMS will continue to work, but when the block goes into effect, you'll start getting an error every time you try to send a text message.

    If you have comments for Google, you can visit their Text Messaging Google Group.

    Google has claimed no grievance with Infinite SMS other than its success. Their given reason for the block isn't abuse or wrongdoing; it's that we brought too many users (and thus too much cost) to an experimental service.

    We acted in good faith, accessing a feature publicly announced by Google over open protocols they made available. Other non-Google apps have been able to access the SMS feature since its launch. To us, this was no different from accessing Gmail's near limitless storage over the open IMAP protocol. We never could have guessed that the two of us would write an app too big for Google.

    Our first warning was an unexpected call from Google on Monday, 9 March 2009, indicating that the service might be blocked as soon as the very next day.

    We asked them to reconsider or at least give us more time to change our program or migrate our users. We scheduled a call for the next morning to hear Google's final time line.

    We immediately removed Infinite SMS from sale, since we could not in good conscience continue to sell a product whose lifetime was so likely to be cut short.

    This morning, Tuesday, 10 March 2009, our email is overflowing with questions about why Infinite SMS is not available in the app store. We've decided we need to get real information out there for people, despite not having the complete picture yet. We will update this page when we hear from Google again.

    We hope that Infinite SMS users will see this announcement and have some warning before they can no longer use our app for messaging.

    Apple does not give app developers any way to perform refunds. Hopefully, at 99ï people will feel like our app paid for itself after only a few messages.

    Google's free SMS feature isn't entirely gone. They've only blocked non-Google apps like Infinite SMS. You can still send free text messages through the Gmail web interface (but it doesn't seem like it works in Mobile Safari). The instructions are in their original SMS chat announcement.

    Google's Official Statement

    Infinite SMS is a third party app that has been using Google technology to provide free SMS for users, while we were paying for the cost of the text messages. While Google is supportive of third party apps, we've decided we can't support this particular usage of our system at this time. SMS chat is still just an experiment in the early testing stages in Gmail Labs. We're blocking all external XMPP clients from sending SMS; we're not singling out Inner Fence.

    1. Re:Inner Fence's and Google's Official Statement by HavocXphere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>"We acted in good faith" (From Infinite site) That is just pathetic. Google's SMS service was opened up in good faith hoping that no one would abuse it to make money.

  8. Re:kenneth by krunk4ever · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You just mashed together a bunch of unrelated statements and even made up some of your own.

    rupesh (article author) stated, "Google's hardly publicized method for sending free text messages has been revoked ..."

    Google stated, "SMS chat is still just an experiment in the early testing stages in Gmail Labs."

    Nowhere did anyone state they wanted to "test it with limited numbers of users"

    Do note that "hardly publicized method" still means a public API, which I would guess is intended for others to use.

    What happened here is just that Google wasn't expecting such a huge surge in usage and had no other choice to disable for 3rd party clients for now. If they can figure out a way they can support it, they would most likely re-enable this service for 3rd parties.

  9. How is parent insightful when he's wrong? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people who sold this app were not "charging" anyone for Google's service. Would you say that someone who developed and sold a killer browser for iPhone was "charging" people to use the Web?

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    1. Re:How is parent insightful when he's wrong? by rrossman2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You had to BUY the app off of the IPhone Store, right? The author of the iPhone app just made money, right? They are using a service Google provides without compensating Google in any fashion, right? So which part of that wouldn't constitute charging people to use Googles' service, since it sure seems you had to BUY the app which gave the iPhone programmers MONEY, and the app used GOOGLES SERVICE to send the SMS MESSAGES...

    2. Re:How is parent insightful when he's wrong? by SuperAlgae · · Score: 4, Informative

      When people buy this app, they are paying for the functionality that comes from the combination of the app's software and Google's service. If a major differentiator for the app is its use of Google's service, then they are effectively charging for that service.

      Ask yourself this. Of all the apps people could buy, why would they buy this one? Does its competitive advantage come from the excellence of the app itself or from its use of Google's service?

      Does this constitute "abuse"? I'm not sure that it does, and I think even Google has not claimed such. But it is overuse, even if unintentional, and it is a form of "charging".

    3. Re:How is parent insightful when he's wrong? by SuperAlgae · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The important factor is where the effective value comes from, not a line item bill. As an extreme example, let's say I'm selling a toaster for $5000, and it comes with a free luxury car. If I stop offering the free car, do you think people will still buy the toaster. Stated price is not always a reflection of real value.

      The reason that web browsers are different than InfiniteSMS is that there is a strong competitive market of browsers that all use the same internet access. Therefore, browsers must distinguish themselves by some means other than simply having internet access. In the case of InfiniteSMS, I think the competing messaging apps are not using Google's service. When people buy the app, Google's service is the distinguishing factor, not the app itself.

  10. Re:Next target: AOL? by MartinSchou · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know somebody who set up an SMS spamming company in about 2000

    Have you remembered to give him that special kind of "thank you" that we all know he deserves?

  11. Re:Well, Google HAD a business model! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hope this AC's insightful comment doesn't get lost in the bloviating. He's absolutely spot-on about how Google sold their free SMS model to the providers.

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  12. WE WANT OUR FREE SERVICE BACK!! by Skylinux · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ohh this is funny, iPhony customers are already bitching on Googe groups http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-text-messaging/topics

    Someone even created an "Online Petition" http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/googlesms/

    We wanz ourz free stuff back!!

    lol

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    1. Re:WE WANT OUR FREE SERVICE BACK!! by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wish you could "anti-sign" online petitions.

  13. Erk, paying for a free service by dbIII · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reminds me of NeoOffice. When are these Apple developers going to get the point that freely available things are not so they can make a profit off somebody else's work.

  14. Re:kenneth by kylef · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Google does stuff for free when it suits them. If it might get in the way of advertisers or business partners (as is certainly the case here), they back down. Despite the legion of Slashdot fans who don't want to believe otherwise, Google is a business and frequently makes business decisions. Which is fine, as long as people see it for what it is.

    What happened here is just that Google wasn't expecting such a huge surge in usage and had no other choice to disable for 3rd party clients for now.

    It's a bit ironic that you start your post by blasting someone for reading between the lines, and then you proceed to do the same thing yourself. Unless you work at Google, you have no way to know why this decision was made.

    But it's funny that you make it sound like Google is a helpless victim. How much traffic exactly pushed their feeble servers over the capacity limit only 11 days after this software became "popular"? How many iPhone users broke the camel's back?

    The reality here is that Google made a policy decision, not a capacity decision. Especially since Google is one of the best in the business at scaling. This message should silence any doubt: "SMS_ERROR_10: Sorry we don't support free SMS messaging through this client. Visit http://gmail.com/sms for more info."

  15. Developers seem a bit naive by Ash+Vince · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love their comment that they never would have guess they could write an app to big for google.

    Did they really never guess that writing an application that allowed you to perform one of the primary functions for a mobile phone that is usually chargeable would cause problems if it was free. The mobile networks would have started moaning at google immediately and since Google are currently trying to get them to sign up to android they were going to have to cave in.

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  16. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Telecommunications cost someone, somewhere, somehow. We all know this, and it is made obvious by the fact that the telecom companies make their living off of our communications. It is abuse to take advantage of some free service, thereby circumventing the telecom's charges. Google's "free" offerings are meant to entice users and customers to sign up for other Google services. Google Heinlein, and "taanstafl". Pretending ignorance doesn't impress anyone. If you are going to steal Google's (or anyone else's) services, at least admit that you are thieving. We might respect an honest thief.

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  17. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But... but... but... I want it my free stuff!!!

    Wah.

    /end juvenile mode - I grew up in the late 80s/early 90s, a period often criticized as the "me generation", because we wanted it all. But I think we recognized we're not entitled to other people's stuff; if we want a new toy, we have to EARN it through hard work. ----- Today's 2000-era generation thinks it's perfectly okay to tap into their neighbor's wireless internet, even though it's costing their neighbor extra money. Or google's SMS, even though it costs google thousands of dollars to support that overload. More than being the "entitlement generation" they should be called the "inconsiderate generation". It is inconsiderate to cause financial harm to other people (and then whine about it when the neighbor or google cuts access).

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  18. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by nicklott · · Score: 3, Informative

    The BBC calls them narcissists: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7943906.stm

    Yes, a generation of self centred jerks who've never been told they're wrong; I look forward to the bright new future...

  19. Shame, Shame by bartwol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Inner Fence *assumed* they would continue to receive a service for which they had no contract and paid no fees. Further, on top of that unsupported and inequitable assumption, they *sold* a product in which they extended *assurances* of continued service.

    Inner Fence now points their customers to Google as being the party responsible for the loss of service. But it seems clear that Inner Fence had no basis for assuring delivery of their service to their customers. They simply took the money, left Google holding the bag, and now dodge their full responsibility.

    Hey Inner Fence...do your customers look like they have the letters S-T-U-P-I-D painted on their foreheads?

  20. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by umdstu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not that I disagree with your overall point, but how does using your neighbors wireless cost them extra money? They pay a monthly fee for these broadband services, not per KB...

  21. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by ParanoiaBOTS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Today's 2000-era generation thinks it's perfectly okay to tap into their neighbor's wireless internet, even though it's costing their neighbor extra money. Or google's SMS, even though it costs google thousands of dollars to support that overload.

    While I don't disagree with your overall point there are some things I would like to point out. Hopping onto an unsecured network is basically taking advantage of a free resource. This is basically like saying that while your playing your boombox, no one else should be able to listen. But you are too lazy to plug in your headphones. If the person the network belongs to won't take the 3 minutes to turn on wireless security then they shouldn't have the right to bitch when someone hops onto their network. They also shouldn't be surprised when they eventually become a victim of identity theft. Same thing with Google. They opened up an API to allow people to send text messages for free. They didn't limit it, so why would people assume that it was supposed to be limited? It would be a VERY different case if someone had hacked the google API to allow unlimited texting. This is google's fault, not the person who wrote the app.

  22. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by horza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Today's 2000-era generation thinks it's perfectly okay to tap into their neighbor's wireless internet, even though it's costing their neighbor extra money.

    It does?

    I grew up in the late 80s/early 90s, a period where people were fed up of getting ripped off by telecoms companies. The cost of switching had dropped to fractions of the cost, yet the cost of calls kept getting higher. We were fleeced making international calls whilst the telecoms companies raked in billions. We paid through the nose for Internet access over slow modems. The monopoly deliberately held back cheap broadband in the form of ADSL as they didn't want to cannibalise their rip-off ISDN service. SMS was added as an after-thought to GSM and used to be free for everybody via numerous gateways. I used to have it so people could message my mobile via my web site. Then once the big mobile operators saw a cash cow they blocked the free operators by creating a cartel and charging an inter-operator penalty. The digital revolution is starting to open a few holes in the old monopolies and good thing too. The resentment, much like with the record industry and their restrictive practices, are coming back to bite them.

    It's the "you don't have an entitlement" generation, and it's going out to the telecoms companies, the RIAA, Microsoft, large drugs companies, foreign oil powers, and anybody else that things they have a license to print money whilst sitting on their asses and doing very little.

    Phillip.

  23. Re:Yes and No by Khyber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The USA and Australia are NOT third-world countries.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

    There's a little handy picture included.

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  24. I feel sorry for the Google group members by ishmalius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Inner Fence's attempt to deflect criticism by redirecting complaints to http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-text-messaging/topics is so unfair to the honest service users who were already there. People who really need, or offer information or help are being buried in an avalanche of whiny tripe.

    So Inner Fence has punished another group of people, this time innocent.

  25. Re:Abuse? by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some of us don't believe in restriction and TOS

    If the service is there, Ill use it as i please. If they don't like it, then they can close it and and charge a subscription ( and not have me as a customer ).

    While you may not agree with my attitude ( which is your right ), i'm tired of bending over for companies and really don't give a damn what they like or don't like anymore. Screw em.

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  26. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Opensource is as good as my own property, for the taking, because I can do ANYTHING with it.

    Clearly, you are quite ignorant of Open Source, as defined by the OSI.

    Free software is something that I am permitted to use AS LONG AS I use it in a way approved of by the authors/owners.

    Actually, that is true of most Open Source as well. It's also far from the FSF's definition of "free software".

    There isn't a lot of software which could be classified "open source", but not "free software", by your definition. I could only mention sqlite, and DJB's stuff (qmail, djbdns, etc) -- these are public domain.

    No, the difference is actually quite an obvious one: Open Source only requires that the source code be available. Before DJB's work was open source, it was very much open source, in that everyone could freely acquire the software. However, it was not free software -- once you have the source code, you are not allowed to redistribute it with your own patches.

    If you wanted to improve qmail, for instance, you had two choices: Either beg DJB to include your change, or distribute your patch directly to users -- they would have to then download the qmail sources, apply your patch, and compile.

    Free Software, on the other hand, only requires that you be able to both obtain the software, and fork it to distribute your own version. It doesn't place any other restrictions, it doesn't even require "free as in beer".

    By the FSF's definition, the official distribution of sqlite is very much Free Software. By the OSI's definition, it is very much Open Source. And it is completely public domain, meaning there is absolutely no restriction placed on its use.

    Your confusion probably stems from the fact that the FSF advocates the GPL, which does impose quite a lot of restrictions. The GPL's purpose is to ensure that this software must continue to be Free Software -- compare to sqlite, which could be forked into a proprietary version.

    But there's nothing about the idea of Free Software itself which requires the GPL, or anything like it, and it's quite ignorant of you to suggest that.

    "OOOHHH! Google USED TO allow us to use their resources, now they don't! OH! EVIL GOOGLE!"

    Nice strawman. Can you point to a single post with that sentiment?

    It's possible you can, but I've been reading this thread for awhile, and I've found nothing of the sort. I've found a few people who suggest that Google should have considered the implications, and certainly some people are disappointed, but I haven't actually seen anyone say that Google is evil or wrong for doing that.

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  27. Re:Yes and No by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK- I understand the sentiment but I'm going to reply out of respect for my dear friends that live in 3rd world countries. You're using a different scale of "poor" at least on Crappy Economy, Poor Standards of Health, Poor standards of education, poor standards of living and especially poor standard of internet service. You need to go somewhere 3rd world and live there for a few months to even begin to understand what you're claiming. In the mean time, you can still hang out.

  28. Re:Yes and No by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know how you got modded insightful - if you truly believe that our economy is third world, or that our health is third world, or that our education is third world, you are delusional.

    While there are plenty wrong with the US economy, health care, education, etc etc... To claim that we are in a third world state (or even close to it) is an insult to people who actually live in third-world countries.

  29. Re:Alll's Well that ended well. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It doesn't MATTER what protocol was being used. It doesn't MATTER what AT&T or any other telephone company is doing, or not doing, or what price they might be charging. AT&T doesn't own Google's servers. The iApple store doesn't own Google's servers. Google provides a lot of free services, yes. But, only Google can determine WHICH free services it offers, and TO WHOM it offers them. Obviously, Google wasn't obligated to supply the SMS service to a third party application. If they yank ALL OF THEIR FREE SERVICES TOMORROW, big deal. It's not like they have signed a contract with me that obligates them to maintain my gmail account for the next hundred years, or anything. They can end it today, if they wish, or charge me for it, or limit my usage of it - it's all theirs.

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