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New Laser System Targets Mosquitoes

An anonymous reader writes "In the Cold War the so-called 'Star Wars defense system' proposed using lasers to destroy incoming Soviet missiles. In a 2007 brainstorming session aimed at combating malaria, Dr. Lowell Wood, the architect of that system, proposed modifying his original idea to kill mosquitoes. The cover of today's Wall Street Journal contains an article that highlights this initiative as well as a few others, like using a giant flashlight to disrupt mosquitoes' vision and using the insects to vaccinate, in the war against malaria. The system is intelligent enough to avoid noncombatants like humans and butterflies and can even tell the difference between females, the blood-drinkers, and males. My favorite quote: 'We'd be delighted if we destabilize the human-mosquito balance of power.'"

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  1. And then? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a little concerned by this. Suppose you disrupt the vision of mosquitoes. If it turns out to have permanent effects on the mosquitoes, they'll be easy prey for predators. Fewer mosquitoes... but then perhaps fewer predators, or more pressure on other potential prey. Suddenly other species go unchecked or apex predators have less food because that ecological niche filled by mosquitoes is empty. Am I the only one who thinks that humans need to stop fucking around the with the order of things and deal with it? Finding a cure for malaria (in our own bodies, which we're at liberty to fuck with) makes a lot more sense than disrupting ecosystems that were doing perfectly fine before we came along.

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    1. Re:And then? by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, we were much better off when rats roamed the streets unchecked. Think of the poor snakes!

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    2. Re:And then? by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I understand what you're saying, -- seriously, we would probably agree on a lot of things -- but where mosquitoes are a real health hazard, there tend not to be adequate predators. The two issues kind-of go hand in hand.

      It's much easier to have these concerns in a first world country where the issue has been controlled. I hope you appreciate that someone living in the Sahel may feel differently.

      I'm a little concerned that we'll reach a point where we tell a third world country, where significant numbers of people are dying of malaria, "We have this technology that will make a profound difference in the mosquito vector, but we're not going to allow you to use it because we're concerned about potential, but as-yet unspecified damage to your environment. Hope the fever gets better."

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    3. Re:And then? by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Permanent effects? I hope this system has permanent effects on the mosquitos, and that permanent effect is they fucking die. There are TRILLIONS of the goddamn things on this planet. Carving out a bunch of yard sized pockets where the little bloodsuckers can't go without meeting hot laser death is not going to make even the slightest dent in their overall population. Even if these systems blanketed every urban area on the planet, we'd probably still only nail 2% of them. Species wise, that's a rounding error on a census.

    4. Re:And then? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't normally advocate genocide (after the first cup of coffee), but when it comes to mosquitos I find it hard to come up with compelling arguments against.

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    5. Re:And then? by quarterbuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have no idea about the scale of the problem if you have not lived in Tropical areas. There are way more mosquitoes in the swamps/forests and preying on animals than are there in homes. We can install one of these laser doohickeys in every home and we still will have killed only a fraction of all mosquitoes in the world.

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    6. Re:And then? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or consider DDT in the very same War on (Some) Malaria.

    7. Re:And then? by Creepy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      or the Dragonflies, and they are thinking of them by avoiding the male mosquitoes. If you think mosquito SDI will even have a tiny impact on their population, move somewhere like northern Wisconsin or pretty much anywhere in Minnesota during a rainy summer. Your mini laser will probably burn out its barrel just nailing a small percentage of the females.

    8. Re:And then? by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mathematically, yes, but non-mathematically, fraction implies fracture, i.e. breakage. You can't break something into only one piece.

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    9. Re:And then? by macbuzz01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The key word there is "known". in not to recent history (early 1900's) the pituitary gland was thought to be useless. Time and science proved otherwise. I'd rather leave the mosquitoes alone.

    10. Re:And then? by SanguineV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

      A laser child zapper?! Sign me up!

  2. Re:solution in search of a problem by grommit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, the other solution is to distribute anti-malaria drugs to millions and millions of people across these third world countries from now until.. well, forever.

    Also, while you may not personally have to deal with malaria on a regular basis, lots of people do have to worry about it. Thousands, if not millions of people die from it. That certainly qualifies as a "problem" to me. There is no search necessary as long as you look somewhere other than your backyard.

  3. bats and birds, anyone? by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, the populace would be far better served by figuring out what indigenous creatures prey on the mosquitoes, and encouraging their habitat. If there aren't any, carefully try an introduction of bats / birds. Careful meaning "find out if they like to eat anything else that doesn't spread malaria."

    Around here in the US, you can actually buy "bat boxes" that come with instructions on finding the best location. You have to leave it up for a couple months, but eventually, bam, you've got your own personal furry little mosquito vacuum...and they are damned efficient at it.

    That would be the smart solution, but instead, we have local/city/state governments spewing chemicals into the air...

  4. What The Fuck? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a 2007 brainstorming session aimed at combating malaria, Dr. Lowell Wood, the architect of that system, proposed modifying his original idea to kill mosquitoes.

    There are 2 morals to this little story:

    1: Who the fuck invites anti ballistic missile system developers to brainstorming sessions on how to fight malaria?
    2: If the only tool you know how to use is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

     

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    1. Re:What The Fuck? by cabjf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's a pretty well known fact that lasers can solve all problems.

  5. You realize, this means laser resistant mosquitoes by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given their high breeding rate, anything short of 100% extermination will mean mosquitoes that are immune to lasers within 10-20 years.

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  6. Re:pests by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems mosquitoes are one of those rare creatures that provides very little benefit to the ecosystem they belong to. They don't kill their prey, so they don't limit the population of any other animals. Also, they make up a relatively small proportion of food for the animals that they are prey to (even bats, well known for keeping bug populations down, only get about 1% of their diet from mosquitoes).

    Even so, I would be reluctant to wipe them off the face of the Earth completely. We simply don't know enough about how everything fits together in all the ecosystems of the world. I'd be more interested in finding ways to kill them off where they spread disease and limit their population in other areas. After all, the last time we tried to kill them off completely in the US we destroyed the raptor population almost to the point of extinction just because we didn't realize how harmful the chemical of choice was.

  7. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could see it being taken as a joke- but I'm serious.

    Anything with a high breeding rate will suffer 99.9% losses- the remaining .1% will be partially resistant to the problem and replace itself in a single breeding season. Even within days for bacteria.

    If you cant' get 100%, it's better to pass.

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  8. Re:You realize, this means laser resistant mosquit by mea37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First off, evolution isn't magic. The scenario you're describing assumes that some mosquitos could survive this weapon today. If we get away from the "one breeding season" assumption and allow a longer timeframe, it still assumes that a solution is within the range of biological adaptation, which is not a sure thing.

    So the odds are we're not moving toward "laser-proof" mosquitos any moreso than we have bullet-proof deer running around. You might get mosquitos that evade the targeting system -- females that beat their wings like males, or individuals that present a profile that looks more like a butterfly to the computer. And if so... then you're back where you started, having played out a temporary repreive from the mosquito problem.

    In other words, it's only better to pass if the adaptation in the mosquitos actually makes the problem worse.

    "Can't be wiped out by lasers" isn't worse in the context that your alternative is to not wipe them out with lasers anyway.

  9. A mechanism for resistance has to be available by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Anything with a high breeding rate will suffer 99.9% losses- the remaining .1% will be partially resistant to the problem and replace itself in a single breeding season."

    Of course, a mechanism for resistance has to be available for this to happen. It is rather difficult to imagine how a mosquito could become "resistant" to a laser - it can hardly evolve into being transparent, or fully reflective.

    The only avenue for "resistance" would be to cease to be attracted to humans, and thus not be in the area where the laser system is running. That sounds like a win-win for both humans and mosquitoes.

  10. Re:Rats do roam the streets unchecked. by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes I do. It's still nothing compared to say the black death era.

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  11. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by tobiasly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    US national debt decreased yearly from WW II until Reagan hit in 1980. He doubled it, Bush I increased it some more, and it leveled off under Clinton. Bush II doubled or tripled it. Obama is going to increase it, but mostly to repair the damage done by Bush II.

    Yeah, because we all know that the President has complete and final budget-setting powers, right? Who controlled Congress under Reagan again?

  12. Re:I would be delighted... tsarkon on budget by novakyu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, because we all know that the President has complete and final budget-setting powers, right? Who controlled Congress under Reagan again?

    Exactly. And who controlled congress during the Clinton years?

    Clinton is getting way more credit than he deserves for the balanced budget, which the Republican congress voted for and passed.

  13. Re:pests by Patch86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They don't kill their prey, so they don't limit the population of any other animals.

    You may have slightly overshot there. The fact they kill more humans than any other animal does is sort of the problem.

    Speaking of which- is that their purpose? Are Mosquitoes there with the express purpose of controlling the human population?

    I for one welcome our mosquito overlords...