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Python-Based Server Lets Eye-Fi Users Skip Company's Software

gollito writes "Coder Jeff Tchang has developed software written with python that allows users to download pictures from the Eye-Fi card rather than having to use the eye-fi manager software. Running the script at intervals would allow for real time updates to an online gallery." At least one user has responded to the release of this software by getting it (after a bit of tweaking) to run on Ubuntu Linux, and another says it works with BSD. I hope the people at Eye-Fi see this as a good thing, rather than reason for a knee-jerk cease-and-desist letter; when I asked about Linux support at the most recent CES, I was given a good-natured shrug and a reasonable hand-wave: approximately, "We just don't have the developer time for that when most of our users are on other platforms."

128 comments

  1. Useful website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Provide alternate content for browsers that do not support scripting" - I'm not too surprised their hardware doesn't support Linux.

    No thanks.

  2. What is eye-fi and why would I care? by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A memory card with Wi-Fi built in and bad driver support somebody wrote a Python script for. Other than being over expensive (both in pocket and on battery) and unnecessary for most high-end camera's (since they have it already built-in or aren't in range of any wi-fi when shooting) I don't see the need for it nor do I see many uses elsewhere.

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    1. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I shoot semi-pro photography. I do studio shots and 'tethering' is a PITA.

      a wireless (a good one!) solution is needed.

      however, this device aint it ;(

      its sd-card only (pros tend to use CF cards). it does not support raw (why even bother then?). its slow and its gimmicky.

      the idea is good but it needs a TRUE solution, not this ugly hack. good first POC though.

      soon, though, cam companies will build in their own wi-fi, so this 'card stuff' has limited time before its irrelevant.

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    2. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I agree. I have a 2GB SD card in my camera, and try as I may, I never managed to fill it up. That's why I never went to a bigger SDHC card, I just can't seem to top this one. I guess it could be somewhat useful for those who just have to upload their pics to Facebook or something.

      Since I'm not on any social networking site, I am totally not the target for this device.

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    3. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've known about the Eye-fi card for awhile. It strikes me as an interesting trinket but, as you said, not the most groundbreaking tech ever.

      What interests me, especially with this recent development, is a potential use in something other than a camera. Cameras are not the only devices that use SD cards for storage, after all. With this script, though, it may be a simple way to hard-hack a wireless connection into some homebrew embedded device.

      I'm still not clear if it can download data TO the card instead of just uploading to an external source... that would make it a lot more useful.
      =Smidge=

    4. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What is it that compels people like you to post?

      The 2 ipod shuffle stories were full of this, as was the megapixel story, and the comments on the iphone 3.0 story were mostly unreadable from it. Now eye-fi.

      What is it about a company offering a product that you can choose to either buy or not based on your own needs that generates so much emotion in you people? Why do you care what other people buy when those choices don't affect you?

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    5. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My girlfriend has an IRiver MP3 player. She isn't technology savy. She doesn't have a computer. But, I would like to be able to add music to her player with out her having access to a computer.

      The company she works for (a restaurant) has free Wi-Fi and would like to be able to change her music during the day.

      I found the eye-fi and thought that it would be perfect but, as far as I know, it will only upload to a server and not download.

      I would like for the eye-fi card to contact my home server and copy everything from a directory setup on my server. That way when she asks me for new music, I copy my .mp3 to that directory and when she goes to work, her IRiver gets updated.

      Maybe this is a step in the right direction.

      Nathan

    6. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by stokessd · · Score: 1

      I have a couple 2gig cards and a Canon G7 camera. I thought I'd never fill those up. Then I went on vacation for two weeks in the strikingly beautiful Western Ireland region and without even trying hard I filled two of them up. I'm heading to Scotland this summer, and I'm going loaded for bear with dozens of gig of storage, like money or education, you can't have enough.

      Back on topic, This card is a solution to a non-problem.

      Sheldon

    7. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, the camera companies will build wi-fi in their cameras at some point. But do you want to buy a new $1000 camera body just to get one with a $25 wi-fi chipset built-in? That's how the camera companies will solve this problem.

      Is the JPEG limitation in this a function of how the Eye-fi firmware works or something that can be fixed in the Python script?

    8. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think some people complain because they do want a product similar to the one being discussed, but the product has some particular flaw that screws it up. They're frustrated because they almost found exactly what they wanted, but failed.

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    9. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sure, the camera companies will build wi-fi in their cameras at some point.

      Personally, I'd much rather cameras have GPS instead of Wi-Fi, so that they can automatically fill in the EXIF location data for the photos.

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    10. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      If it had been available in CF format, I'd have my credit card in my hand right now.

    11. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      I shoot semi-pro photography. I do studio shots and 'tethering' is a PITA. a wireless (a good one!) solution is needed.

      Dude. Get a Nikon.

      Their wireless remote solution is ridiculously expensive (as is everything with Nikon's name on it) but I've seen it in action and it works very well.

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    12. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by james_shoemaker · · Score: 1

      You do know they make SD to CF adapters.

      James

    13. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh please. It's a perfectly good idea, even though EyeFi has kind of bungled the implementation. The fact that hackers are hacking it should tell you something.

      The use case they talk about in the advertising is a pretty common one. A bunch of people get together for a big social event, like a wedding, and take lots of pictures. Everybody promises to share their pictures, but what with absent-mindedness and the hassle of uploading big jpegs, it never happens. Wouldn't it be nice if everybody could see the pictures right after they're taken, and grab the ones they like? Makes the event more fun, too.

      My use case is more serious. I write technical documentation for computer hardware, and I sometimes have to take photos of said hardware for the illustrators to work from. I suck as a photographer, so it'd be really nice if pictures just got automatically transferred to my tablet so I check each one right after it's taken. If you have to plug in the camera or transfer the SD card, it's too inconvenient to check until you've accumulated a bunch of photos.

      The flaw (as of when I tried it over a year ago; perhaps it's improved since) in that use case is that the stupid EyeFi can't interface with networks that require any kind of authentication. That leaves out secured networks, and also the typical hotspot, where, even if it's free, they generally make you go to the providers' web site at least once before they let you on the web. (The WiFi network where I work is unsecured, but you have to login with via the provider's web site before you can use it.) So basically, the thing is only useful if you provide your own access point. What's needed is a way to network it directly to your computer.

      Hmm, run a router on my tablet? Have to think about it.

    14. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Personally, I'd much rather cameras have GPS instead of Wi-Fi, so that they can automatically fill in the EXIF location data for the photos.

      That would only work if your camera was on for long periods of time, and had a constant view of the sky. Plus I get the best reception when I leave my GPS on the dashboard of the vehicle I am in, and leaving a camera powered on the dashboard of a firetruck seems like a very bad idea, while my GPS can handle that no problems. Also, having a separate GPS lets me use it for multiple cameras, since I might not be able to get a GPS built into every kind of camera I want with me.

      When I am taking pictures that I want to have the GPS data in the EXIF, I have a GPS running all day that I keep with me, and then at night I correlate the times from the pictures with the locations from the GPS using gpscorrelate. It takes in a GPX and a list of the pictures, so I can do all of the pictures I took all day and correlate them very quickly, even if they were taken with different cameras.

      There is a compact camera with GPS, the Nikon P6000, but it has to lock on to the satellites when you turn it on, which can take a while, especially if reception is weak.

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    15. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see the need for it nor do I see many uses elsewhere.

      Not a pro, eh?

      Think event photography. For an example, think youth sports. You're shooting a game with an eye-fi card while an associate runs the laptop. Parents come up to your table and order prints, which your associate cranks out right there on the spot.

      And while your associate is doing the dirty work (i.e., collecting filthy lucre), you just keep on shooting the game.

      Need I say, "3. Profit!"?

      It's very useful, to a wide range of pros. Of course, no pro in zir right mind is going to run Linux on that laptop, but there's no question how much money the card itself can make for you.

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    16. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by aztektum · · Score: 1

      soon, though, cam companies will build in their own wi-fi, so this 'card stuff' has limited time before its irrelevant.

      And we'll all throw the perfectly good cameras we own in the trash bin in order to upgrade?

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    17. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      I think you've hit the nail on the head, at least with me. At one point I was trying to find a way to be able to upload photos (over wifi or even wired ethernet) to a digital frame without having to physically go move SD cards around. (So the frame could stay in the folks living room)

      I was looking at single board computers with USB (the frame's internal flash can me mounted like a USB disk) but ended up abandoning the idea. Then I happened to glance at one of these eye-fi cards at a best buy. I didn't look too closely at the time (I didnt buy it), but later on I did some more looking with the idea of maybe using it exactly like that - it seemed like it would exactly solve my problem - a wifi-connected SD card.

      But then I released it was locked down to proprietary windows software that didn't even support copying *to* the card that only supported one use - copying pictures from a camera, and completely ignored and prevented any other possible use. So yes, it was "almost" exactly what I wanted, but due to no vision on the part of the maker, its flaws completely screwed my desired use of it.

    18. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It seems this card only copies files that are already written on the card through some weird proprietary protocol. As I said, many camera's will soon have this or at least have an option to add it (Nikon already has it on some SLR's and I believe Canon has a consumer camera with it and the rest probably won't lag behind).

      What WOULD be interesting instead of this unusable trinket would be a cf-card as you propose that makes whatever device have a wireless connection. It could stream whatever is written on it directly through an open protocol onto an image on another storage system and retrieve it the same way. Kinda like having it emulate the card but have the data (as an image) physically reside on the storage server (with a small 128MB local buffer). That way you could insert them in security camera's and the like that currently all have their individual hard drive and cards.

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    19. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like fuck they do.

    20. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by singularity · · Score: 1

      I had considered wanting a camera with a GPS built-in, but there are so many times that it would not be worth it - any indoor shot, for example. Seems like a waste of upfront cost and battery life.

      Instead I will use the GPS I already have, the camera I already have, and any one of a few different programs that will compare time stamps between the two devices and add the corresponding EXIF data automatically.

      Right now I am using GPSPhotoLinker for OS X.

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    21. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      How would you fit that inside of an SD slot?

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    22. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd much rather cameras have GPS instead of Wi-Fi, so that they can automatically fill in the EXIF location data for the photos.

      Don't they already have this?

      What is the purpose? For hikers? Aren't they usually carrying around a GPS anyway? Is it to save having to match time stamps?

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    23. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And we'll all throw the perfectly good cameras we own in the trash bin in order to upgrade?

      if you want new features that need hardware, yes.

      with digicams, they are throw-away, so that's one case.

      the other case is with slrs and here, the investment (long term) is lenses, not bodies. this isn't film and bodies are NOT long-term anymore. (leica is not quite thinking that, with their m8 body SO expensive and already uncompetitive since sensor and cpu tech advances but their body doesn't. not really.)

      what I object to is having to trash lenses if the brand didn't think far enough ahead or introduced something short-term and fooled us into thinking it was not a mid-solution. case in point, contrast focus vs phase-detect (slr style) focus. with new movie-cam features in slrs, you need contrast focus and mirror flip-less focusing. older lenses didn't 'do this well' if at all. you have to REBUY your lenses to get this new feature.

      hopefully this won't happen TOO often, but its more tolerable that we upgrade our bodies than our lenses.

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    24. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by chappel · · Score: 1

      Seems the real answer would be for cameras to start being made with a standardized accessory slot - like the mini-PC cards. You could then get a PC card gps, wifi, blue-tooth, 3g, extra memory, USB, SCSI, firewire (live video!), whatever - swap between camera bodies, even have a gps card with its own internal battery that could be left on with a good view of the sky then re-united with the camera at a convenient time to do the geo-tagging.

    25. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      The way I do that is I got a Wifi-based picture frame. If this one comes back in stock, that might be what you want.

      The one I got is based on Windows CE and has a bunch of problems, and freezes often enough that I put it on a timer to reboot it daily. It also has a bug that can't handle titles that have quotes in them.

      It reads a RSS feed for my photos, and updates them automatically. I have an album on Ipernity that I add pictures to, and a short while later they show up on the picture frame. The upside is that works from across the world, which is why I set that up.

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    26. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by pelrun · · Score: 1

      Then how come I see a shitload of them on ebay, when I'm searching for eye-fi?

    27. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >pros tend to use CF cards

      is there something better about CF cards, or is it just that most professional level cameras use CF cards? thx

    28. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by cellurl · · Score: 1

      I think it is a wonderful product. It removes parts for any system which currently uses SD which is ba-jillions. Its the trifecta of savings, space, cost, power. I do hope they make it bi-directional. We are just waiting for the price to come down a bit. Its going to enable datalogging everywhere. -jim

    29. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I've always wanted to visit Scotland (but only after Iceland). I just came back from Thailand, and I didn't just go to the beach, but saw a lot of beautiful and colorful places, temples, palaces etc. We even filmed a dozen short videos with the camera (of me eating insects, for instance), but still, it was under 1GB. I guess we're satisfied with only 3 or 5 megapixel pics. Yours is, btw. a very nice camera, and makes 10 megapixel photos. And it's probably a pelasure to use, too, compared to our Olympus. Not that I need such a great camera, but I do envy the ISO 1600.

      Though I find it utterly ridicolous that the PowerShot G7 comes with a 32MB card. Aww... c'mon Canon.

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    30. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Sleepy · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is News For Nerds.

      Is it nerdy to add wifi-to a consumer camera?
      Is it nerdy to adapt this to Linux, where zero support existed before?

      Yes.

      Is this a case of stealth marketing/publicity abuse? Could be, but I doubt it. I have one of these devices (purchased for my wife), and I loathed that it had to run Windows because I don't.

        Now I can look at this script, and look at customization.. rather than copying my photos off her PC, I could setup a second upload point on my laptop which only gets enabled when her MAC address is offline. That'd be a lot easier than re-configuring the card for a new PC (it supports only 1 PC I understand).

      I don't see a lot of marketing abuse here. I do see editor abuse sometimes (publishing a story from a buddy when someone else submitted it first). But that's another story.

    31. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Eponymous+Bastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then it sounds like you need a camera and GPS with bluetooth. They can talk to each other and fill in location data in real-time, and if you're in a studio or near your laptop, it can upload the pictures in the background.

      You could even use it as a phone camera, or for videoconferencing, or whatever you want. Bluetooth is pretty standard for tethering like this.

      Wifi is only useful if you want to upload directly to the internet. That's not always the best solution

    32. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by james_shoemaker · · Score: 1

      other way around, stick an SD in a CF slot.

    33. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      For an example, think youth sports. You're shooting a game with an eye-fi card while an associate runs the laptop. Parents come up to your table and order prints, which your associate cranks out right there on the spot.

      While the game is ongoing? Wouldn't they be, like, watching it? I don't see a significant advantage over having several cards and swapping them around.

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    34. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't *need* bluetooth on my camera, but you are right if all of my cameras and GPS had bluetooth, they could possibly say "where am I right now", and the GPS could respond.

      That would be useful, but none of my cameras or my GPS have bluetooth.

      I agree that Wifi is less useful than bluetooth could be.

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    35. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by raynet · · Score: 1

      I would fit it by taking the SD-card from the SD-to-CF-card adapter and use it without the adapter in case I needed to put it in a SD slot.

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    36. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I believe the data transfer rate is (or can be) higher.

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    37. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Better yet would be two way communication so you could operate it by remote control from a computer. I was thinking security, not candid pr0n. Honest.

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    38. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Back on topic, This card is a solution to a non-problem.

      If you're trying to document misbehavior by police or other security personal, the kind of folks who will beat you and smash your camera, having some auto-upload capability is a very good idea.

      Sousveillance makes corrupt officials nervous. Anything that enables it is a worthwhile technology. Hide a netbook nearby, have it relay images from eye-fi equipped camera to a server far away, and see bad cops caught in the act.

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    39. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      While the game is ongoing?

      You must mean, "While the games are ongoing, don't you? And the answer is Yes.

      Wouldn't they be, like, watching it?

      Only when their own kid is playing. The rest of the day is spent walking around bored, chatting with neighbors, and waiting for the kid's next event.

      I don't see a significant advantage over having several cards and swapping them around.

      Never shot one of these events, have you? When you've got four or more soccer matches / softball games going on at the same time, or a hundred Taekwondo / Karate / wrestling matches, or a wedding reception -- you don't exactly have time to keep running over to your table to change cards....

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    40. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Authentication is a problem for these cards but there is a way around it. The Asus WL-330g is a very small portable access point that has a WiFi Cafe mode where it can connect (with authentication and other nonesense) to a WiFi access point and then offer an 'open' WiFi connection that the Eye-fi should be able to connect to...

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    41. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      based on Windows CE and has a bunch of problems

      I think the second part was redundant there.

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    42. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by bendodge · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you need a Bluetooth version...

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    43. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Slashdot, the marketing and publicity channel of non-news for gadget freaks.

      Well yea, and that's news????

    44. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fyi, Python also works with M$ Windows.

    45. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by blueskies · · Score: 1

      You don't need to fit the adapter in a SD slot, because you wouldn't need the adapter. Eye-fi comes as SD.

    46. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I heard about that. Not a bad solution for the wedding scenario. Won't work for me, though, setting up a router (even a portable one) is almost as much hassle as just transferring the pics by sneakernet.

      I've found some routing software that might run on my tablet. That would enable a direct camera-to-tablet connection. Add in this python software.... Have to give it try when I have the time.

    47. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      My thought exactly. There actually are bluetooth cameras, but they're high-end and cost more than I'm willing to spend. And there's no bluetooth equivalent of the EyeFi.

    48. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by zuzulo · · Score: 1

      Surveyors, military, and police folks often find uses for kit like this. If you have the cash, it is not too difficult to find binocular devices with integral laser rangefinder, camera, gps, compass, etc. I have often thought that there would be high demand for a consumer grade version - automated location tagging and sizing features would seem fairly desirable. A quick survey of some of the current military devices can be found here.

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    49. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Deanalator · · Score: 2, Informative

      iphones put GPS data in the exif data of any picture you take.

    50. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Ricoh, and the few others I have seen, are doing it wrong: the bulky, almost-SLR high-end cameras are the ones that would benefit from this least. What really needs GPS are the relatively cheap point-and-shoots (like mine) that are designed to be carried around everywhere, even when you don't have anything else. Camera phones would be okay too, except that they generally don't have a good enough user interface to get the shot when speed is of the essence.

      Also, not having to match time stamps is a big deal, for me at least. It means only having to deal with one device (and one battery) instead of two, not having to spend time later, having the tagged pictures instantly available (in case I want to do something with them before I get home), etc. And it both maximizes accuracy (since the location reading is taken at the time of the shot there's no interpolation) and battery life (no readings are taken when not also taking a picture).

      By the way, keep in mind that I'm not talking about some sort of hybrid device, where you'd be using the thing to navigate. I'm talking about adding the most bare-bones GPS functionality possible, where it just take a latitude and longitude (and maybe elevation, if possible) and sticks it in the picture's metadata. No routing, no UI, no maps, nothing else.

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    51. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You must mean, "While the games are ongoing, don't you?

      Do I? You originally wrote "You're shooting a game". Make your fucking mind up, if you have one.

      Never shot one of these events, have you?

      Neither have you. Srsly, hundreds of bouts simultaneously?

      or a wedding reception -- you don't exactly have time to keep running over to your table to change cards....

      Odd how they manged before, isn't it? Maybe they have pockets, or something.

      When does the retouching and other post processing occur in this instant print scenario? Bullshit.

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    52. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      What's the use case? I don't think a snapshot camera would work the way you think, because there are limitations to GPS. For instance, keeping the thing off and in your pocket at the ready will not give you a GPS signal. It takes at least a few seconds and typically a few minutes to get satellite signals, and probably won't work at all in a city where you are likely to be playing the bit of tourist. I think GPS sort-of works in these bulky cameras because they are out in the clear and presumably on for longer periods of time, since anyone using such a camera is doing more serious photography.

      The little clip-on GPS dongle that Sony sells updates every 15 seconds, so as long as you are on foot, your pics are likely to get tagged within the error of the GPS signal. And you can leave it on all the time without running down your camera battery. Syncing the GPS data to the photos is also quite easy, since there is software that will do it automatically for you. Some cameras can read GPS info from a separate GPS unit via Bluetooth.

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    53. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I find corrupt police officers always notify me well in advance. This enables me to select a hiding place for my netbook and to place it there at a time when nobody's watching.

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    54. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      I find corrupt police officers always notify me well in advance.

      I don't, but I find that people attending political demonstrations and rallies where police malfeasance is likely, usually plan their attendance in advance.

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    55. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1
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    56. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Reece400 · · Score: 1

      Maybe a bluetooth module for connection to a decent GPS in your pocket/car, etc?

    57. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by canon006 · · Score: 1

      Most newish Nokia S60 devices do as well.

    58. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by greenzrx · · Score: 1

      My wife has a garmin gps that has a sd slot in it. This allows you to use the 4" screen to view pictures. Wouldn't it be nice if it would timestamp pictures that it found on the card once it was inserted. (after a user prompt, of course)

    59. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case check out Air Semi

    60. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      Never shot one of these events, have you?

      Neither have you.

      Yes, I have. With film. Took days to get results, weeks to scan, and by then the parents had all lost interest.

      Srsly, hundreds of bouts simultaneously?

      Never been to a Taekwondo tournament, have you?

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    61. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by blake182 · · Score: 1

      its sd-card only (pros tend to use CF cards)

      I bought an Eye-Fi with a CF adapter that works fine in my digital Rebel.

    62. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I don't think a snapshot camera would work the way you think, because there are limitations to GPS. For instance, keeping the thing off and in your pocket at the ready will not give you a GPS signal. It takes at least a few seconds and typically a few minutes to get satellite signals, and probably won't work at all in a city where you are likely to be playing the bit of tourist.

      Is there any fundamental reason why these problems couldn't be overcome with sufficiently good engineering? They're already sort of solved for phones (using assisted GPS); maybe I should be asking for a phone with a better camera UI instead...

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    63. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Phones have decent GPS? I ask because my only experience is with my Sony Ericsson, and it suffers from the problems that I described: decreased battery life, inability to connect in the city (buildings, presumably), and long connect times.

      I get much better results by keeping the GPS off and just letting it find position based on the towers, which are very closely spaced in New York City so it usually pegs me within a half-block or so.

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    64. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Well no, they have "Assisted GPS" which augments the satellites with cell towers just as you mentioned in your second paragraph (except perhaps without having to enable it manually).

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    65. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Well no, they have "Assisted GPS" which augments the satellites with cell towers just as you mentioned in your second paragraph

      Ahhh... thus your phone with a camera comment. I think a good feature would be for the cameras to have bluetooth that they could use to extract location data from the phone that is almost certainly sitting nearby. I don't know if the phones make that kind of information available to bluetooth or not.

      except perhaps without having to enable it manually

      Oops, didn't mean to imply that I had to turn on the assisted GPS, just that I have to shut off the GPS receiver - which only seems to work if I'm in Central Park :)

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    66. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if the phones make that kind of information available to bluetooth or not.

      My Nokia E71 (S60) has full assisted GPS and bluetooth. It also has Python with BT and GPS interfaces exposed. It would be fairly straightforward to write a small server to listen for requests via BT to provide GPS coordinates to the requester.

    67. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because after the BART police executed that kid, they started confiscating cell phones and cameras?

      This product provides a way to try to secure evidence.

    68. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by m0n5t3r · · Score: 1

      In that case check out Air Semi

      yeah, according to that page, they are winners of the "Red herring Europe" award ;)

    69. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      Your solution would almost be workable, if I could stomach using a Windows-based device.

      I assume I could setup an "RSS feed/server" (I dont know crap about RSS, I'd have to learn) on my *own* hardware so as to avoid using outside servers.

      My key objection to any frames with wifi that I've seen so far is that they all want you to subscribe to service from some outside website.

      I'm also not keen on it depending on net access to be able to show pictures - I want it to copy them to a local SD card (I'd also like to be able to delete them, so I can rotate whats on there)

      The second one you refer to is rather pricey, especially since I already have a frame. I'd really like to find a way to connect wifi-accessible storage to the one I already have.

    70. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      Your solution would almost be workable, if I could stomach using a Windows-based device.

      Agreed. I honestly thought that something as embedded as a picture frame should just work, but apparently using Windows CE and cheap developers leads to a crap product. The one on ThinkGeek should be better, but I haven't used it. It appeared a little while after I started having problems with the Samsung, and I really wish I had gotten that.

      I assume I could setup an "RSS feed/server" (I dont know crap about RSS, I'd have to learn) on my *own* hardware so as to avoid using outside servers.

      You could. RSS as used for pictures is essentially a list of pictures, and the picture frame I have now only shows pictures in that list, so if they get removed from the feed, they are removed from the frame. I just point the frame to a url, and that could easily be on your own system, like http://10.0.1.123/pictures.rss , no problem. You could install Gallery on your computer, and use that to generate the RSS feeds. That would give you an easy interface, privacy, and a ready-built RSS generator.

      My key objection to any frames with wifi that I've seen so far is that they all want you to subscribe to service from some outside website.

      Mine too, but I ignore that feature. Check to see if that is optional, and if it can get a feed from any url.

      The second one you refer to is rather pricey, especially since I already have a frame. I'd really like to find a way to connect wifi-accessible storage to the one I already have.

      They are embedded systems, so it isn't easy to upgrade them, especially to do stuff they don't have the hardware to support. If files just appeared on a SD (say from you pushing data on to a Eye-Fi), would any of the data in cached in ram about the filesystem lead to corruption? If you had to turn the system off when updating the files, would the SD card have the power?

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    71. Re:What is eye-fi and why would I care? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      They are embedded systems, so it isn't easy to upgrade them, especially to do stuff they don't have the hardware to support. If files just appeared on a SD (say from you pushing data on to a Eye-Fi), would any of the data in cached in ram about the filesystem lead to corruption? If you had to turn the system off when updating the files, would the SD card have the power?

      Well, I'm thinking the card could report itself as 'removed' (electrically disconnecting its contacts if that was the only way), and then 'reinsert' itself after changes. Possibly it could have a tiny recharagable battery with enough capacity to hold it for the brief loss of power (it could even double buffer, to keep that time as short as possible)

      My original plan was to either use a laptop (with linux) somehow mounted in a box bent over with only the LCD showing (possibly mechanically detached from the hinge), or to have a small SBC with a USB port (and wifi) (you can plug the frame into a host machine and either its storage or an inserted SD card is accessible) I'd need to have a relay control so as to reboot the frame after making changes.

  3. That name is so 2008... by orkybash · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gotta get it changed to Yfy.

    1. Re:That name is so 2008... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atleast that doesn't sound like an STD.

    2. Re:That name is so 2008... by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think Yfying is something completely different from the discussed device and most people prefer to bleach their eyes should they accidently encounter it.

    3. Re:That name is so 2008... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta get it changed to Yfy.

      I get the feeling the only reason the topic is there at all is so that someone would say that.
      Good job! Gave me a 'lil chuckle!

    4. Re:That name is so 2008... by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

      ITYM WhyFi

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    5. Re:That name is so 2008... by DieByWire · · Score: 1

      Gotta get it changed to Yfy.

      Or PyFy. Or YFy.py.

      Shoulda gone into marketing.... yeah, that's it. Marketing. I've got what it takes.

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  4. DCMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This post is encrypted for copy protection using double ROT-13 encryption. Cracking this encryption violates the DMCA and will result in a copyright lawsuit.

  5. has developed a software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You sound like every Indian software developer I've ever met. The word software does not require, and should not have, an indefinite article before it.

    1. Re:has developed a software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless it's being used as a loan. Like 'Die Software'. This is scientifically how language 'organically' develops, i.e. by fringe usage becoming conventional. Twat.

    2. Re:has developed a software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In a place that recognizes that there's a difference between his use of the word software and your use of the word software that makes using the article wrong in one case and right in the other.

    3. Re:has developed a software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends. Does John ever get around to writing a second piece of software, or is software always singular for him?

    4. Re:has developed a software by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Well, to be pedantic (and who can resist an opportunity like that?), the indefinite article indicates the object noun "developer", not "software" (which is just an adjective in your example).

      "A developer." "What kind of developer?" "A software developer." (Or, "A stupid developer", or "A very drunken developer", or even "A developer who is wasting productive work time discussing English grammar on /.")

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    5. Re:has developed a software by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, speakinh of twats, why not read the OP more closely?

      He specified the use of an indefinite article. "Die" is a definite article. Even in German, one would not use "Eine software".

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    6. Re:has developed a software by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know. I was using software as part of a noun phrase where it can take an indefinite article, unlike the OP where he was using the bare noun where it can't. I was just picking on the overly broad statement of the issue.

      It's an interesting word, actually - many non-count nouns can be used with an indefinite article, but only in the context of a generic class, e.g., "Beef is a meat that's very popular in Brazil," or "Evian is a water that's bottled in France." However true it might be, I don't think you could say something like "Oracle is a software that costs far too much for what it does," and have it be grammatically acceptable to (most?) native speakers of English. I'd be curious if that is possible for any native speakers, though.

    7. Re:has developed a software by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      So, you'd prefer a sentence like "John is software developer" to "John is a software developer?" Where'd you learn to speak English?

      "Software" is not being used as a noun in your example. "Software" is an adjective modifying "developer". "Developer" is the noun that the article you use applies to.

      Where'd you learn to parse English?

      To be fair, the OP made a slight error when he wrote

      The word software does not require, and should not have, an indefinite article before it.

      He should have written "The noun software does not require..."

      He also probably shouldn't have interjected the bit about Indians... that's just evidence of some xenophobia or racism.

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    8. Re:has developed a software by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The French sometimes pluralise it.

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    9. Re:has developed a software by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      "Software" is not being used as a noun in your example. "Software" is an adjective modifying "developer". "Developer" is the noun that the article you use applies to.

      Actually, I don't think it's an adjective in my example - I think it's still a noun, but part of a compound noun phrase that has a count noun as it's head (which is why it can take an indefinite article in my example). Potato, po-tah-to, I guess.

      Where'd you learn to parse English?

      Like all native speakers, I learned from those that raised me (and from others around me, though in a more passive capacity). It's debatable how much influence coursework and reading in syntax has influenced my parsing - given that it was largely in the generative/GB/minimalist tradition, one could say it had nothing to do with parsing ;)

    10. Re:has developed a software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, found the appropriate wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_noun Nouns that are uncountable never get an "a" or "an" in front of them. There's a nice list of examples on the right (software is one of them!)

    11. Re:has developed a software by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A count noun as it is head?

      I'd quit while your a head, if I was you.

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    12. Re:has developed a software by d3matt · · Score: 1

      Software is an adjective modifying the word developer. Similarly the article 'a' is a modifier of the word developer.

      He's "a developer". What kind of developer? He's a __software__ developer.

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    13. Re:has developed a software by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      I'd quit while your a head, if I was you.

      That's really an awful pun. Thanks for the chuckle.

    14. Re:has developed a software by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      Software is an adjective modifying the word developer. Similarly the article 'a' is a modifier of the word developer.

      No, actually - "software" in "software developer" is a noun modifying another noun. In traditional grammar they're called attributive nouns.

      Consider some evidence to support that conclusion:

      In English, adjectives are usually able to express degree (comparative, superlative, equitative) - "Dave is a big developer, but Steve is a bigger developer; Matt, however, is the biggest developer." You can't do that with "software," and not just as a result of morphological deficiency (neither "softwarer" or "more software" are possible as adjectivals). There are adjectives that can't (or usually don't) express degree - "extinct," is a common example (you can't say one species is more extinct than another), but those tend to be adjectives that semantically relate to binary states.

      Most English adjectives have corresponding adverbs, and it's typically easy to convert an adjective to an adverb by appending the -lysuffix - "happy" => "happily," etc. Again not possible with "software." But not a 100% certain thing - you can't really do that with "extinct" either.

      Also, consider some distributional facts about the word software. If "software" were an attributive adjective, you'd be able to make paraphrases with copular be - e.g., "The happy developer," can be transformed to "the developer is happy," or "the extinct species" becomes "the species is extinct." Not so with software in the sentence above - "The software developer" can't be changed to "the developer is software" without entirely changing the meaning (and producing a semantically aberrant sentence).

      There's also an issue with adverbial modification of "software." You could say "The totally extinct species," or "the probably extinct species;" you can't modify "software," though, except via an adjective or another word (noun) with the same morphological and distributional characteristics. So, "the probably software developer" is bad, but "the probable software developer," (i.e., you're not sure if he is or not) is OK. Similarly, "The database software developer," where database has the morphological and distributional characteristics that I've claimed for "software," here.

    15. Re:has developed a software by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      Well, to be pedantic (and who can resist an opportunity like that?), the indefinite article indicates the object noun "developer", not "software" (which is just an adjective in your example).

      I love it when people are pedantic without knowing what they're talking about. ;-) I've already written this up once, so have a look:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1163911&cid=27231563

      In a nutshell: "software" in my example was not an adjective; it's an attributive noun.

    16. Re:has developed a software by idontgno · · Score: 1

      In a nutshell: "software" in my example was not an adjective; it's an attributive noun.

      Well, since we're in a pedantry fight, and you're in a nutshell (good place for a nut), I'll point out that you've substantively failed to explain the semantic distinction, in this case, between an attributive noun and an adjective. The indefinite article is most certainly referring to "developer", presence of attributive noun notwithstanding. The functional equivalence of an attributive noun and a good ol' fashioned adjective is immune to the grammatical distinctions you eloquently point out in your cited post. In other words, in this context, "software" is an adjective in all but name. It has no play in the distribution of the preceding article "A". Therefore, the phrase "A software" is, at best, an ungrammatical fragment--both an article and a modifier lacking their targets.

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    17. Re:has developed a software by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 1

      I'll point out that you've substantively failed to explain the semantic distinction, in this case, between an attributive noun and an adjective.

      I'll point out that the distinction between an attributive noun and an adjective isn't semantic, it's a matter of lexical categorization, and the evidence I presented in the linked post is intended to make that clear. You originally said that software "is just an adjective in your example," which isn't true. As I've show, "software," is a noun - not just in my example, but generally.

      In other words, in this context, "software" is an adjective in all but name.

      And here again, that same mistake. Adjective isn't a generic term for a word that modified a noun, nor is it a term for given context under which a word may modify a noun - it's a lexical category. It's like saying that a lightbulb is a star in all but name since, like our sun, it too gives off light.

      If you're going to be pedantic with people, you might at least make an effort to understand the terminology and concepts related to the discussion.

  6. Maybe they aren't very big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA talks about the company not having enough developers to support a non-Microsoft OS. Maybe they don't have much resources for anything.

    I went to the company site linked in TFA and got the following message:

    // Provide alternate content for browsers that do not support scripting // or for those that have scripting disabled. Alternate HTML content should be placed here. This content requires the Adobe Flash Player. Get Flash

    They didn't have the time to properly test their website and we're seeing a message from a template (that should have been removed). I've seen this kind of thing before. A company doesn't have the resources to do the job right and rushes the product out the door just to survive. It sure rings all the alarm bells for me.

    1. Re:Maybe they aren't very big by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

      A company doesn't have the resources to do the job right and rushes the product out the door just to survive. It sure rings all the alarm bells for me.

      It sounds familiar to me. Like some little fly-by-night s/w outfit in Redmond.

      Troll mod in 3...2...1

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    2. Re:Maybe they aren't very big by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Congratulations. I only had to get down half a page to see this totally unrelated in any way article being somehow connected back to being Microsoft's fault. Thanks Slashdot for not disappointing!

      Well, I do give you a bonus point for at least admitting you are trolling.

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    3. Re:Maybe they aren't very big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and people should stop picking on those poor Nazis - all that unpleasantness was decades ago, give them a break.

    4. Re:Maybe they aren't very big by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Nice strawman AC. If you were blaming Nazis for things they had nothing to do with, I would tell you the same thing. Maybe you should just take the leap and blame Nazis on Microsoft too.

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    5. Re:Maybe they aren't very big by PPH · · Score: 1

      The humor aside, the (evidently missed) point being made is that size rarely has much to do with s/w quality. Some pretty crappy product gets written by large outfits. And some excellent s/w gets written by one guy sitting in a dorm room in Helsinki.

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    6. Re:Maybe they aren't very big by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      And some sports teams are good, and some are bad, and some are average. What was the point again?

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  7. feature by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I havent looked at it yet (I will) but what I'd like to see is the ability to *upload* files to the card. The application would be putting it in a digital picture frame (which would be in a different room than where the computers were) and be able to add photos to it without having to physically go get the SD card and apply sneakernet.

    1. Re:feature by powerlord · · Score: 1

      I worked out a solution (sort of) to this problem for my Father.

      For his last birthday I wanted to get him a digital picture frame, since so many of the pictures that the rest of the family is taking are digital. I also wanted it to be something he could just plug in and "forget about". Requiring zero maintenance from him.

      I looked around a bit and got a Kodak

      - It has built in WiFi (he already had DSL, so all I needed to do was install a WiFi Router, which was good since he needed a router between him and the internet anyway :) ).
      - It can be set to display a Flicker or Kodak Gallery account automatically.

      I set him up with a Kodak Gallery account (he doesn't even use it, but its so I can manage it) and set the picture frame for his network, and to show the Galleries of all his friends when it boots up.

      Now all I need to do is share an album with him (or modify the pictures in an album I've already shared), and they instantly appear on his frame.

      Just in case the WiFi goes out, I also loaded some "default" pictures onto the local memory, but things have been good for the past 6 months or so (actually this reminds me, he's been complaining when I talked to him on the phone that there aren't any new pictures :) ).

      I think it can also be set to upload/download files between a computer and itself, but that would have meant me setting up a server to connect to his computer before it is updated, and I needed a more remote solution. :)

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    2. Re:feature by powerlord · · Score: 1

      Like and idiot, I forgot to update the section in my reply that actually listed the model number before I hit submit (with Slashdot had an "Edit" feature :) ).

      Please replace this:


      I looked around a bit and got a Kodak

      With this:


      I looked around a bit and got a Kodak EasyShare W1020 http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=13162&pq-locale=en_US. Its a bit pricy (although they also have a smaller model for less), but I really wanted to get my father something nice for his 79th birthday. :)

      :)

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    3. Re:feature by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I havent looked at it yet (I will) but what I'd like to see is the ability to *upload* files to the card. The application would be putting it in a digital picture frame (which would be in a different room than where the computers were) and be able to add photos to it without having to physically go get the SD card and apply sneakernet.

      Problem is, read-only is all you can get. What the Eye-Fi is doing is accessing a raw block device (while the camera/device is also accessing a raw-block device). Now, the Eye-Fi is coded to know that the underlying storage may be updated rudely underneath it, but most other devices don't expect someone else to start scribbling over an already-mounted disk. (Try zeroing a disk on Linux while it's mounted. Interesting things happen).

      The Eye-Fi knows that the underlying disk will be modified underneath it, and thus would have code written to compensate for it. The devices probably not...

    4. Re:feature by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      - It can be set to display a Flicker or Kodak Gallery account automatically.

      And there would be the deal breaker for me. I don't want the pictures on some third party's company service - I want to copy them from my machine directly to an SD card plugged into the frame. I would _settle_ for a frame that had the ability to load pictures from *my own* server (http, ftp, even [ugh] samba)

    5. Re:feature by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      1. A picture frame wouldnt be making any changes to the underlying card.

      2. It seems like it wouldn't be such a big deal for something like the eye-fi to electrically report to the device its plugged into that its been removed, make the modifications, then 'be plugged in' again. If there was an issue with getting power while a device saw it as 'not there' during an update, it could pretend to be empty instead (with an intervening remove/insert cycle for the transitions)

  8. Isn't it interesting... by hedwards · · Score: 1

    that the excuse for not providing the facilities is that nobody is using it on those OSes. Seems odd to me that they'd expect for a substantial number of people to buy their products without including the ability to actually use the product.

    But then again, developers seem to be spoiled badly enough that they expect people to plunk down their cash even before they can use it on their preferred OS. Often times sending cease and desist letters in place of actual support.

    1. Re:Isn't it interesting... by OG · · Score: 1

      This is a squarely consumer product from a small company with limited developer resources. According to Net Applications, Windows and Mac make up a bit over 98% of the consumer OS base. While people may disagree over methodology, these are the two major platforms used by Eye-Fi's target demo. Expending resources on Linux support probably doesn't make financial sense for them.

      I primarily use Linux, and I love it, but it's not Eye-Fi's responsibility to make Linux more appealing by having applications available for the platform.

  9. C&D in 3, 2, 1 ... by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Informative

    From their website it looks like they are selling the same product at three different price points with the only differentiator being the included software features. A cross-platform solution that allows one to bypass this scheme may induce their lawyers to shit the proverbial brick and send out a reflexive C&D order to combat such a nuisance.

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    1. Re:C&D in 3, 2, 1 ... by cortesoft · · Score: 3, Informative

      It looks like they are slightly different in the hardware department as well. For one, there are 2 different sizes (2G and 4G), and the high end one looks like it has access information for 10,000 hot spots built in (although I am doubtful about how useful those would be). It actually doesn't appear that there is any difference in the desktop software, just on the card and for external services (the geotagging thing on the high end one).

      Of course, they probably will still sue, because you could probably compete with a third party geotagging service or something.

  10. Re:Maybe they aren't very *SMART* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they in the business of selling hardware, or software?

    If they're in the business of selling hardware, they don't *need* to assign developer resources to it. Just make the specs available, someone will write Linux software. (Proof: people are already doing this, without the specs. Wht not make their life easier?)

    It never ceases to amaze me that some companies think that selling your product more people is a bad thing.

  11. did anyone watch the flash intro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that wifi router doesn't have any antennas or an ethernet cable.

  12. only at home? by FunkyELF · · Score: 1

    Running the script at intervals would allow for real time updates to an online gallery.

    Wouldn't you have to be within range of your own home network for this to work? I don't think it would work if you were on someone else's wireless would it?

    1. Re:only at home? by 222 · · Score: 1

      If you have a static IP with a registered DNS entry it would work just fine. These cards are neat, but they weren't designed for corporate networks. Kind of driving me up the wall right now.

  13. Why the knee-jerk may come by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

    I think the problem here would be "programmed feature removal"

    http://www.eye.fi/cards/

    There's three different cards to buy, and I have no doubt that they're all identical save for what card they claim to be, thereby limiting what features the manager software will allow the user to access.

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    "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
    1. Re:Why the knee-jerk may come by FunkyELF · · Score: 1

      For the bottom two that seems to be true, but the 3rd one can upload through hotspots that are not your home. I'm sure the hardware on all 3 are the same but the firmware on the 3rd might be different.
      I could also see where they might all be the same except for a serial number. In that case the bottom two while in another hotspot would have to try to contact the master server which would reject it based on serial number. But if it had different firmware on the bottom two it might not try to contact at all (which is what I believe).

  14. ceace and desist by FunkyELF · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hope the people at Eye-Fi see this as a good thing, rather than reason for a knee-jerk cease-and-desist letter

    From looking at their 3 different models it seems that the only difference between the bottom two models is software running on the PC, so this could effectively turn a $50 card into a $60 card. Doubt they would be happy about that.

    1. Re:ceace and desist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In case of a cease and desist letter, some other places to get it,

      http://pastebin.com/f3e3885e

      And Freenet,

      CHK@WlCowp~Sqixp4SDTicWSl3NN8gYDbLUXOtP0o5wCRKw,s91t8UasJ3QVq8vc4uFrT4NhOIe4QOdPkKjwC5ZRcmY,AAIC--8/EyeFiServer.py

  15. Your wish by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Granted.

    But this thing still is cool. If you can get gps and bidirectional communications in an SD form factor and 4GB storage as well, you're well on your way to some interesting rover applications.

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  16. Which version of Eye-Fi cards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He doesn't say which of the Eye-Fi cards this works with.

  17. RAW format? by jchristopher · · Score: 1

    What they need is to allow the stupid thing to transmit RAW format files - the feature that everyone wants, but for some bizarre reason they refuse to supply, even though it could be implemented very easily!

  18. Almost a nice idea... by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 1

    I just built our first mini-itx system in order to stream HD video from a camcorder to a base PC (we're trying to put together a multi-camera HD recording system at a price point of about 1/8-1/4 of that it would cost for HD-SDI). Works quite nicely but more or less begged for wireless-n. If these cards streamed the file as created though...and were in the 32GB size range...and used wireless-n....and were *supported* under Linux...damn those would be huge. A tech to watch I guess..