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How Do You Deal With Pirated Programs At Work?

LoneAdminOK writes "I started working for a small company in the middle of January as their IT Manager. I am the first actual 'IT Guy' that they have had; before me it was someone that performed another job within the company and just handled the IT on the side. The problem that I am running into is that most of the software I am finding on the network and on people's computers isn't owned by the company. The person before me would just get it from 'somewhere' and install it on the computers as needed. This is putting me in a bad position when I have to reinstall the program or find it to install on someone else's computer. Often, I am telling people that we don't have it or we have to buy another license, and they get mad at me because the other guy said that we had it. I can't even tell where the versions of Windows Server that they are running came from. The only one I know is legit is the one that is installed on an HP server with the OEM sticker on it. How have any of you handled a situation like this? I don't install 'borrowed programs' in a production environment because I know that if the BSA got wind of this, it would all fall on me when they stormed in."

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  1. It doesn't have to be production to be piracy... by omkhar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >I don't install 'borrowed programs' in a production environment

    'borrowed programs' shouldn't be installed anywhere - prod, test, uat whatever. Non-production piracy is still piracy.

  2. Re:Your choice by BitwiseX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree 100%. I've seen this a million time at smaller companies, that I've gone into as a contractor. As a contractor I've had to refuse requests to install software. It was usually one copy of Office '97 that a husband brought in to install on 10 or so PCs.

    The sad part is MOST small business don't even realize what they are doing is illegal. Then when you analyze what they have and what the cost of going legit is, they say "Thanks!" and show you the door.

    In your case I would hope asking for a CYA letter from the higher powers would at least throw up a red flag and make them realize the seriousness of the situation. I'd be interested to know what legal position that puts you in however, since you know what you are doing is illegal, CYA letter or not. If your boss said to shoot his secretary and gave you a letter saying he told you to do it... I don't think it would hold up in court (A little extreme, but still..)

  3. Re:Tell the truth, plainly by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and no executive is going to wantonly commit federal fraud.

    Wow. Thats a naive, and highly innacurate opinion.

  4. Re:Your choice by mitchell_pgh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Inventory, inventory, inventory... and make recommendations.

    Also, when talking to the higher ups, make sure to consider a "transition period" where you go from illegal software to "gray software", to a fully licensed office. It makes them recognize that it doesn't all have to happen overnight.

    I worked at a design firm and they had illegal versions of Adobe CS and MS Office floating around like it was their business. I basically performed an inventory of every system, created a spreadsheet highlighting the illegal software and then created a strategic timeframe/cost for how you are going to go legit.

    If they don't want to go legit, you should consider a new company or push FOSS alternatives.

  5. get shitcanned, its good for character by hildi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    some of the finest people in history have been shitcanned and blackballed for simply saying the truth, no matter how politely, professionally, or curteously they did it.

    1. Re:get shitcanned, its good for character by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "shitcanned" isn't the right word. "liberated" is the right word. Better to be free and hungry than fat and fucked up.

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  6. Re:Your choice by cbreaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the perfect answer and exactly what needs to be done.

    You can even go a step further and contact some of these companies to let them know your situation ahead of time.

    Call Microsoft sales/licensing and tell them your situation and tell them you're working to resolve the licensing issues. Same with Adobe and the others. Get quotes and stuff. That way, if anything bad ever did happen, you have documentation that you're in the process of shoring up the licensing.

    No company is going to sue you if you're in the process of correcting the issue because that means you're going to be a future paying customer.

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  7. One thing to make sure of by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you offer OSS replacements, be ready to back that shit up. What I mean by that is you need to be ready to support it to do all the same things that whatever you replaced did. Saying "Well you shouldn't do that," or "You need to read the manual," isn't ok. You recommended it, you have to support it.

    Now in terms of things like OpenOffice, this means doing testing before hand to make sure it does everything they need. Don't assume, do real tests. Find out what they actually do and try it. Do they do mail merge? Do they have power point presentations that integrate with Excel files (for realtime data update)? Find that out and test it. Make sure it all works. Only then should you recommend an OSS solution. Two reasons for this:

    1) Your job may rely on it. If you recommend something that works poorly, they may show you the door. Goes double if it was because you were "making trouble" about their pirated software. They figure you are just going to be a problem and thus want nothing to do with you.

    2) Even if you don't get axed (and probably if you do as well), you may ruin any chances of future OSS use. The message that'll be taken away is "OSS is broken and doesn't do what you need." It'll be seen as a cheap replacement that doesn't get the job done. Thus they won't want to use it in the future. Someone will say "free software" and they'll say "no way."

    So while an OSS recommendation is a great way to legally save money, do your homework first. Make sure that it truly is a replacement for what they use now. Not a "kinda sorta works" substitute. Not a "well it does some of what you want," substitute. A true replacement for all the functions they need. Also make sure you are fully prepared to train people on it since even if the differences are small, they'll trip people up.

  8. Re:Your choice by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > If they don't want to go legit, you should consider a new company or push FOSS
    > alternatives.

    Switching to Free Software *is* going legit.

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  9. Re:Your choice by RollingThunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That also tends to be an easier thing to make happen because it's a bit here and a bit there, rather than a $50,000 price tag to bring every single system in to compliance.

    $1,500/mo slips in to the noise; $50K makes itself seen.

  10. Re:Your choice by LoadWB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yup. I have walked out of jobs like this and let some of my less scrupulous colleagues take them on. While no one I know of locally has ever had a visit from the BSA, they are a bit like lightning.

    I have been advised by legal counsel that a "CYA" letter does not "CYA." If you run into a situation where illegitimate (I prefer not to use the term illegal) is in use, you bring it to the attention of management, and management does not care, GTFO.

    Make your arguments, wait for the final word, and walk. Do not stop, do not talk, do not even say good bye... WALK AWAY. As a consultant, you have the freedom to do that. As an employee, polish up your CV.

    Although, at this point they are playing a very dangerous game with themselves and with you. Another tidbit of advice given was to write up a document which essentially held them hostage in return for your reputation: you agree not to report their use of illegitimate software in return for you never being there. Shitty, yes, but those are the games we play and the chances we take.

    Unless the guy's name is "Tony" and he runs a "waste management" business. Then you just say "yes, sir!" and move to another country in the middle of the night. Better yet, get off the damn planet.

    Another guy here mentioned an alternative plan of attack, which is gradual compliance. If you can present that as an option, I think that would work as well. You are still on sticky legal grounds with the BSA, though. They consider unlicensed software like child porn, and if you ever THINK it is there and do nothing immediately, you are considered complicit.

    This work makes me sick sometimes.

  11. Obligatory Clerks Reference by bazio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blue-Collar Man: Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but what were you talking about?
    Randal: The ending of Return of the Jedi.
    Dante: My friend is trying to convince me that any contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when the space station was destroyed by the rebels.
    Blue-Collar Man: Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer... (digs into pocket and produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
    Randal: Like when?
    Blue-Collar Man: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was.
    Dante: Whose house was it?
    Blue-Collar Man: Dominick Bambino's.
    Randal: "Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
    Blue-Collar Man: The same. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
    Dante: Based on personal politics.
    Blue-Collar Man: Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
    Randal: No way!
    Blue-Collar Man: (paying for coffee) I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. (pauses to reflect) You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet.

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