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RIAA Backs Down In Texas Case

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "After receiving a Rule 11 Sanctions Motion (PDF) in a Houston, Texas, case, UMG Recordings v. Lanzoni, the RIAA lawyers thought better of proceeding with the case, and agreed to voluntarily dismiss the case 'with prejudice', which means it is over and cannot be brought again. The defendant's motion papers detailed some of the RIAA's litigation history against innocent individuals, such as Capitol Records v. Foster and Atlantic Recording v. Andersen, and argued that the awarding of attorneys fees in those cases has not sufficiently deterred repetition of the misconduct, so that a stronger remedy — Rule 11 sanctions — is now called for."

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  1. What sanctions..? by Captain+Centropyge · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you actually read TFA, it says...

    In UMG Recordings v. Lanzoni, a Houston, Texas, case, the RIAA has voluntarily dismissed its case with prejudice, after being served with a Rule 11 motion.

    Defendant never filed the Rule 11 motion with the Court, because the RIAA withdrew its case prior to the expiration of the 21-day "safe harbor" period.

    So, no sanctions will actually be enforced. The defendant's threat of Rule 11 sanctions just scared them out of pursuing this particular case.

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  2. Re:And this means what? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Could this cost the RIAA enough to really act as a deterrent? Also, if at all how is this relevant in future cases?

    If you read the motion (especially the conclusion), it will help answer these questions. It's a pretty quick read and isn't very difficult to understand (just a few terms that may cause someone to stumble if they don't have a legal background).

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  3. Re:They don't need the litigation anymore by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, disconnection could be appealed to the FCC. Interfering with communication systems (jamming, disconnecting) is illegal for freedom of speech reasons.

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  4. Re:They don't need the litigation anymore by Yamamato · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except the fact that the ISP would point out the clause in your contract that you agreed to that says that they can terminate your service for TOS violations.

  5. Re:And this means what? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    First to NewYorkCountryLawyer, thanks from all of us for fighting the good fight!

    Thanks. And thank you for your support.

    And a question, what is the impact of these sanctions?

    Sanctions weren't awarded; the motion was withdrawn because the RIAA, rather than risk sanctions, withdrew the case within the "safe harbor" period.

    Could this cost the RIAA enough to really act as a deterrent?

    Absolutely. There is nothing a lawyer should fear more than a sanctions ruling.

    Also, if at all how is this relevant in future cases?

    Highly relevant. This incident will encourage other defendant's lawyers to make early Rule 11 motions. And the attorney, veteran IP litigator Sid Leach, prepared excellent discovery documents and motion papers, which the rest of us will be able to consult and borrow from in the future.

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  6. From wikipedia by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

    For what it's worth, here is what wikipedia has on Rule 11 Sanctions

    Rule 11 requires all papers to be signed by the attorney (if party is represented). It also provides for sanctions against the attorney or client for harassment, frivolous arguments, or a lack of factual investigation. The purpose of sanctions is deterrent, not punitive. Courts have broad discretion about the exact nature of the sanction which can include consent to in personam jurisdiction, fines, dismissal of claims, or dismissal of the entire case. The current version of Rule 11 is much more lenient than its 1983 version. Supporters of tort reform in Congress regularly call for legislation to make Rule 11 stricter.

    Basically, it's a federal rule meant to deter abuses of the justice system and the fines can be practically whatever the judge wants them to be. That's a pretty scary prospect if you are concerned that you might have pissed off the judge enough that he would impose the sanctions on you, since you don't know how much money you stand to lose.

  7. Re:So what happens with Rule 11? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    A few questions for anyone who might know: 1. Does voluntarily dismissing the case with prejudice prevent them from getting sanctioned?

    Yes so long as they do it within the 21-day "safe harbor" period, which they did.

    2. Independent of #1, what happens if you are sanctioned under Rule 11?

    There are many possible penalties, from nominal to crushing... but for any attorney it's a huge black mark on his or her record.

    3. How often is a party sanctioned this way?

    Rarely. Rule 11 motions are rarely made. It is an extreme thing. I've only made a couple in my 30 years as a lawyer. One of them was against the RIAA lawyers.

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  8. Re:More details? In English? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Federal rule. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 11 about what an attorney filing a pleading, motion or paper is representing to the court. The key part is that it requires the attorney to represent that the filing is not just to harrass or annoy the other party and that it's not frivolous and has some basis in law and/or evidence.

  9. Re:So what happens with Rule 11? by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Yes, if it's within 21 days after the motion for sanctions is filed.

    2. The attorney has to pay fines with a goal of deterrence and not compensation. (If the attorney is poor, they'll be fined less.) The attorney's client can be held joint & severally liable. Your professional reputation as an attorney suffers, and in extreme circumstances, it might serve as pretty bad evidence towards an attorney malpractice suit or a disbarment hearing.

    3. Extremely rarely. It's generally reserved for lawyers acting in very bad faith, and the 21 day safe harbor gives attorneys a way to amend the offending action. Courts are generally willing to give attorneys the benefit of the doubt on whether they did something with a good faith belief that it was true or not. Only a truly stubborn fool gets Rule 11 sanctioned most of the time.

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  10. Defendant's lawyer wins, defendant loses by ral · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the Joint stipulation for dismissal:

    ... each party to bear its/her own costs and fees

    The defendant has lost time and money on this case and gained nothing. Even if every case is resolved like this, the intimidation strategy will still be effective.

    1. Re:Defendant's lawyer wins, defendant loses by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      This by far the largest imbalance in the legal system. If a big company/corporation/MAFIAA starts a lawsuit against an individual, it can easily bankrupt an individual in a short time period while being a drop in the bucket to the company/corporation. The defendants in most of these cases loose considerably even if they have the lawsuit dropped somewhere in the process. They have almost no means to win, as the MAFIAA does everything it can to avoid paying out a cent while fleecing individuals.

      You are exactly right. I discuss the economic imbalance problem, and the mischief it has caused, in detail, in the 'equal access to justice' issue of The Judges Journal, published by the American Bar Association, in my article, "Large Recording Companies vs. The Defenseless : Some Common Sense Solutions to the Challenges of the RIAA Litigations".

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  11. Re:And this means what? by 644bd346996 · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, in other words, this won't dissuade the RIAA one whit, but it might make it hard for them to find lawyers willing to work for them.

  12. Re:So what happens with Rule 11? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Yes, at least Rule 11 sanctions, the safe harbor allows the party to avoid sanctions by dismissing the case before the motion is filed with the court.

    2. The court orders the attorneys and/or the plaintiff to pay money. The attorney is not allowed to pass the cost on to their client if the attorney is sanctioned, and because of that it is a very strong deterrent.

    3. Not often at all. Most attorneys will out of courtesy refrain from even making rule 11 motions in anything but the most severe cases of abuse. There are a few attorneys that make the motions often, but they are overwhelmingly denied.

    IAAL.

  13. Re:They don't need the litigation anymore by tripdizzle · · Score: 3, Informative
    Have you read at TOS? Its hard to even breathe and not break it, at least for me and this one

    http://www.comcast.net/terms/use/

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  14. Re:More details? In English? by Zordak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rule 11 is federal. Texas Rule 13 is similar. But this is federal court, so federal rules apply.

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  15. Re:So they can still walk away from this? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, just to get this straight, the RIAA pursued a questionable case that has already cost the defendant money to prepare for, and as soon as credible resistance emerges they quickly run and do it again to someone else - without sanctions? Or did I miss something?

    No you didn't miss anything.

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  16. Re:They don't need the litigation anymore by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I consciously don't buy music anymore."

    Do as I do. Buy used CDs. Here in the Greater Boston/Cambridge/Somerville Co-Prosperity Sphere, there are several used CD/DVD shops. Sure, you may have to wait a few weeks to get the latest CD, but RIAA never sees a penny of your money.

    And many artists sell CDs on their websites. Yeah, they buy them from the record companies, but they, the artists, get to keep the money from the CD sales.

    Finally, local bands almost always have CDs they burn themselves. Supporting local artists with purchases is the best thing you can do to keep independent artists making music.

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  17. Re:waste of money by Splab · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually he is somewhat right.

    Here in Denmark a chain of shops that deal with items costing between $1 and $2 (guess you guys call them dollar stores?) has started its own label - it is a no bullshit label, you get 50% of profit from sales, default print I think is 1.000 CDs or 10.000 and the shop carries the risk.

    CDs are selling like you wouldn't believe it - apparently people are willing to pay $2 for a CD from a group they never heard of (I for one am, heck if it sucks I can use it as a fancy coaster).

    The olden ways are dead, just a matter of time.

  18. Re:And this means what? by TheReaperD · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only wisdom I have to share at this point is : if you find out your ISP is in league with the RIAA, change ISP's, and let them know why you left.

    Well, start the list with AT&T, Comcast and Cox cable.

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  19. Re:So they can still walk away from this? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tanya Andersen in Andersen v Atlantic is trying for class action status. I haven't followed up if it was granted that status.

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  20. Re:They don't need the litigation anymore by esocid · · Score: 4, Informative

    RIAA radar is your friend. Look for the labels not on the MAFIAA's payroll and support them for doing something right.

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  21. Re:So they can still walk away from this? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Informative

    would it now be possible to put together a boilerplate response kit

    A "boilerplate response kit"? No.
    A growing library of helpful materials to which the practitioner can refer? Yes. And the motion, discovery responses, discovery notices, and expert's report prepared by defendant's lawyer make an excellent contribution to that library.

    which would vastly reduce the cost and time of putting up said credible resistance?

    The library does indeed reduce the cost and time of defense, and increases the efficiency and effectiveness of our efforts.

    Also, will the repeated threat of section 11 judgements affect the credibility of the RIAA's lawyers?

    Their "credibility"? No. But an order awarding Rule 11 sanctions would have an effect on their credibility.

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  22. Re:They don't need the litigation anymore by Hordeking · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not that a TOS is a legally binding contract...

    No they are the terms to a legally binding contract. What's your point?

    I think my point would be that clause that's usually in there stating that they can unilaterally change the anything in the TOS at any time, rape your mother, help themselves to your beer, etc, without notice before or afterhand to you. That's not how terms of a contract work.

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