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Project Aims For 5x Increase In Python Performance

cocoanaut writes "A new project launched by Google's Python engineers could make the popular programming language five times faster. The project, which is called Unladen Swallow, seeks to replace the Python interpreter's virtual machine with a new just-in-time (JIT) compilation engine that is built on LLVM. The first milestone release, which was announced at PyCon, already offers a 15-25% performance increase over the standard CPython implementation. The source code is available from the Google Code web site."

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  1. Kill the GIL! by GlobalEcho · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary misses one of the best bits -- the project will try to get rid of the Global Interpreter Lock that interferes so much with multithreading.

    Also, it's based on v2.6, which they are hoping will make 3.x an easy change.

    1. Re:Kill the GIL! by Red+Alastor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good luck with that. The last time someone tried that, they slowed Python down by half.

      Only because Python uses a refcounting garbage collector. When you get many threads, you need to lock all your data structures because otherwise you might collect them when they are still reachable. This project plans to change the garbage collection strategy first. Once it's done, killing the GIL is easy.

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  2. Re:This is a very interesting project by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Psyco is x86 only and uses a lot of memory. It also requires additional coding... you have to actively use it, so you don't automatically get the speedup that a faster interpreter gets you. You also have to pick-and-choose what you want to get compiled with Psyco - the extra overhead isn't always worth it.

    To be fair, I don't know what the memory requirements of this new project are.

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  3. Re:This is a very interesting project by maxume · · Score: 4, Informative

    It might be easy to port over to 3.0, but not because it is using 2.6. Basically, they are planning on ripping out a big chunk of the internals of 2.6 and replacing it with a LLVM based system. To the extent that those internals changed for 3.0 (there wasn't necessarily effort put into making them compatible across 2.6 and 3.0...), the code would need to be updated for 3.0. The python level portability between 2.6 and 3.0 isn't a huge factor for something like this.

    They are targeting 2.6 because that is what made sense for Google (who is paying for the work). Or so they say:

    http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/FAQ

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  4. Re:No windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quite to the contrary, the FreeBSD guys have been building with clang+llvm for a while now, and they seem to like it. The kernel boots, init inits, filesystems mount, the shell runs.

    What other platforms, Darwin? Apple employs the largest number of LLVM developers. Windows? Both MinGW and Visual Studio based builds are tested for each release.

    It's still not as portable as the python interpreter, but that will come if and when developers who are interested in working on it start to contribute.

  5. Re:It's probably pining for the fiords. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not really. Parrot is a much higher-level VM, providing things like closures, multiple dispatch, garbage collection, infrastructure to support multiple object models, and so forth, whereas LLVM really models a basic RISC instruction set with an infinite number of write-only registers.

    In fact, it would make a fair bit of sense to actually use LLVM as the JIT-compiling backend for Parrot...

  6. Re:Too many levels of translation? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wouldn't a more direct compile yield a better result?

    No, it wouldn't.

    The entire point of LLVM is that it provides an easy-to-target machine (it's basically a RISC instruction set) that you can use as your intermediate representation (the p-code you described). You then use the LLVM backends to compile the IR down to machine code. And because of the way the IR is structured (for example, it has write-only registers, which makes certain classes of optimizations much easier), you can do a really good job of optimizing.

    Basically, you "direct compile" to the LLVM IR, and then let LLVM take care of the details of generating the machine code. This gives you better abstraction (no more machine-specific code generation in Python itself), portability (to whatever LLVM targets), and you get all the sophisticated optimization that LLVM provides for free. That's a huge potential win.

  7. Effort in wrong place by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is disappointing. Shed Skin has shown speed improvements of 2 to 220x over CPython. Going for 5x over CPython is lame. But Shed Skin is a tiny effort, and needs help.

    PyPy got a lot of press, but they tried to do an optimizing compiler with "agile programming" and "sprints", and, at six years on with substantial funding, it's still not done.

    The fundamental problem with running Python fast is its gratuitous dynamism. In CPython, almost everything is late-bound, and most of the time goes into name lookups. This makes it easy to treat everything as dynamic. You can store into the local variables of a function from outside the function, for example. In order to make Python go fast, the compiler has to be able to detect the 99.99% of the time when that isn't happening and generate pre-bound code accordingly.

    Dynamic typing requires similar handling. Most variables never change type. Recognizing int and float variables that will never contain anything else creates a significant speedup. In CPython, all numbers are "boxed", stored in an object structure. This is general but slow.

    CPython is nice and simple, but slow. Serious speedup requires global analysis of the program to detect the hard cases and generate fast code for the easy ones. Shed Skin actually does this, but has to place some limitations on the language to do it. If someone did everything right, Python could probably achieve the speed of C++.

    There's also the problem that if you want to be compatible with existing C modules for CPython, you're stuck with CPython's overly general internal representation.

  8. Re:This is a very interesting project by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think it's only Linux-only right now, because the developers currently use Linux. But they consider loss of Windows support a "risk", not a design goal:

    Windows support: CPython currently has good Windows support, and we'll have to maintain that in order for our patches to be merged into mainline. Since none of the Unladen Swallow engineers have any/much Windows experience or even Windows machines, keeping Windows support at an acceptable level may slow down our forward progress or force us to disable some performance-beneficial code on Windows. Community contributions may be able to help with this.

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  9. Re:Speed ups for EVE online, perhaps? by idlemachine · · Score: 5, Informative

    I believe EVE uses Stackless Python. I'm not sure how well these improvements would translate across.