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IPv6 Over Social Networks

An anonymous reader writes "A new RFC has been published this morning to significantly speed the deployment of IPv6. With IPv6 over Social Network (IPoSN), '[e]very user is a router with at least one loopback interface,' and 'Every friend or connection between users will be used as a point-to-point link.' It is noted that latency on the network can be very high, though."

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  1. so how many hops are we from Kevin Bacon? by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tracert to determine answer?

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    1. Re:so how many hops are we from Kevin Bacon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      YOU do realize that by implying that because a person uses a Microsoft product they are a complete and total idiot, YOU are causing 1000's of readers to infer that you're a giant douche?

    2. Re:so how many hops are we from Kevin Bacon? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that by saying tracert instead of traceroute you've just outed yourself as a complete and total idiot?

      Since when does admitting to being a windows user amount to outing yourself as complete and total idiot? Especially as most *nix users are also windows users.

    3. Re:so how many hops are we from Kevin Bacon? by cromar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Especially as most *nix users are also windows users.

      So then it's true. Most people really are idiots ;-)

    4. Re:so how many hops are we from Kevin Bacon? by Qzukk · · Score: 2, Informative

      It saves extra typing

      I just use mtr in the first place.

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    5. Re:so how many hops are we from Kevin Bacon? by Frnknstn · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, he does mean the Windows tool. If you try to use the Linux command to see how many hops you have to Kevin Bacon, you get "No route to host - Device /dev/friends does not exist."

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  2. IPv6 - the OS/2 of Networking. by tjstork · · Score: 4, Funny

    This protocol has been so touted, so advocated and so under adopted, that it reminds of the days of OS/2 being the next big thing.

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    1. Re:IPv6 - the OS/2 of Networking. by Cajal · · Score: 5, Informative

      IPv6 is being deployed. For example, this shows the growth in the IPv6 routing table size during 2008: http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2009-03/fig7.jpg

      You can also check out http://sixy.ch/ for a list of IPv6-accessible web sites. It's growing weekly.

      Google has launched their IPv6 trusted tester program, making many of their services reachable over IPv6.

    2. Re:IPv6 - the OS/2 of Networking. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      That looks suspiciously similar to the global warming graph.

      Everyone run Global Warming is caused by IPv6. The science is settled no room for debate.

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  3. The real joke is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    IPv6

    1. Re:The real joke is by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Moving from IPv4 is like moving from 32 bit to 64 (128 in this case).

      You mean in that it's been around for years but most people still haven't switched and probably won't in the near future?

      Yah, I guess it is like that.

    2. Re:The real joke is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My 32-bit applications work just the same on my 64-bit operating system. If they didn't I would still be using the 32-bit operating system right now and so would just about everyone else I know.

      IPv4 applications are incompatible with IPv6 without modification. To this day there continues to be plenty of new software and hardware released with IPv4 only support.

      I believe that at some point in the distant future we'll switch but to compare the IPv6 transition with moving to 64-bit is fundamentally absurd.

    3. Re:The real joke is by ppanon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My 32-bit applications work just the same on my 64-bit operating system.

      That's because your operating system is hiding some of the thunking that happens between 32-bit apps and the 64-bit kernel.

      I believe that at some point in the distant future we'll switch but to compare the IPv6 transition with moving to 64-bit is fundamentally absurd.

      The IPv4->IPv6 equivalent to the 32-bit->64bit thunking are IPv4->IPv6 gateways that - surprise, surprise - are in use so that IPv6 network clients (which are more widespread in Asia because they don't have enough v4 address space allocated) can access IPv4 hosts across the rest of the Internet. If you want to run your legacy IPv4 apps, you'll be welcome to do the reverse: run them on your private IPv4 network behind a NATting firewall/protocol gateway while the rest of the Internet runs IPv6.

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  4. Where are the goddam poniez? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was promised poniez. And a flying car. And electricity "too cheap to meter". And vacations on the Moon. And a Larger Penis. And a Whistling Yo-Yo. And Hot Chicks. And a raise. And sex next weekend if I'm Very Very Good and don't go to the bar with the guys. And a Red Ryder BB gun. And the Four Day Work Week. And fusion reactors in 10 years. And a lot of other stuff.


    But mostly the poniez. And the flying car. That's all I want.

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    1. Re:Where are the goddam poniez? by raind · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sienfield: "but I don't want to be a router"

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    2. Re:Where are the goddam poniez? by houghi · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the Four Day Work Week.

      That is already here. It is called unemployment. 1 out out of 5 people don't have a job.

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  5. /. Effect by digitac · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is great and all, but now we must find a way to implement the slashdot effect over IPoSN!

  6. Re:Admins not adopting IPv6 by Cajal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is it not as intuitive as IPv4?

    Why do you have users using IP addresses? That's what DNS is for.

  7. This April Fool thing is starting to piss me off by microbee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Serious, does every posting have to be a joke?

  8. Twenty-first century arrives after slight delay by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

    After a minor shipping delay, flying cars have arrived for all. As of today, all major cities also feature moving pavements and weather control and commuter flights to the Moon will be commencing tomorrow.

    Earth President Barack Obama welcomed the representatives of the Galactic Brotherhood to Washington, assuring them that the many wars on Earth were now to be conducted entirely by robots, though the robots would be carefully monitored and pulled out of battle and granted citizenship the moment they achieved sentience. He also offered the galactics free access to Google, with only the requirement for tasteful contextually-attuned text advertising to be imprinted on their DNA.

    The reactionary forces of the twentieth-century United States finally conceded defeat and shut down the Five-Year Plan Tractor Plants of Detroit, where ridiculous oversized transport was bashed together by semi-literate peasants between fifths of vodka from the nerve gas factory next door, and the Five-Year Plan Software Plants of Redmond, where ridiculous oversized operating systems were bashed together by semi-numerate fresh graduates between fifths of Red Bull. The record and movie company back catalogues have been placed into the public domain for the preservation of human culture and the comic-book capitalists of Wall Street have been sent to calming, soothing, humanistic re-education facilities. "We'll teach them to love again," said Mr Obama.

    Robot housecleaners are now universally available at quite reasonable prices. The robot companion for your child, designed to say "I LOVE YOU" while the child hits it repeatedly, was an early release for Christmas 2007. The new model features the voice of Justin Fletcher from CBeebies and is designed for parents to hit repeatedly.

    Future innovations for the century include the rise of the Great Old Ones from their eternal sleep to take back the Earth and consume the souls of all humanity, first driving them slowly insane. The citizenry is being prepared for this eventuality using repeated broadcasts of In The Night Garden.

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    1. Re:Twenty-first century arrives after slight delay by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To be fair we have had planes that also go on roads for a loooong time. China does control its weather to a degree. And anyone that has worked on the moon CLEARLY commuted to work. You could strap a furby to a roomba for the last bit too.

  9. Re:Admins not adopting IPv6 by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    forget the admins, its the home routers. For everyone who wants to adopt IPv6, there's a shitty cheap router that simply doesn't support it. Unfortunately, the fact that the internet still works is enough to justify not buying a new one (not that there are many about).

    If my router supported it easily, and I could just get myself an IPv6 address, I'd be using it. As it is, it requires some hassle, so I don't. That applies to the millions of ignorant users out there who wouldn't know how to set themselves up with IPv6 too.

    So until there's a critical mass of IPv6 capable routers, no ISP is going to bother with it, and so no router manufacturer is going to bother upgrading them. The only way I can see it working is if someone starts marketing IPv6-capable routers as somehow better/faster/newer/future proof, then the marketing war might just drive adoption. Either that or the need for many non-NATed IPs per user in the home (eg phones).

  10. Re:This April Fool thing is starting to piss me of by 16384 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For years it has been like this. Then suddenly one year there were no April fools stories on 1 apr that year. This 1 apr, all stories are Aprils fools... Some moderation would be nice. But hey, it's only one day...

  11. April Fools but with real implementation by slashdotmsiriv · · Score: 2, Informative
  12. IPv6 interoperability failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

  13. ipv4.5? by r_naked · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Was there something wrong with coming up with an addressing scheme that DIDN'T involve hex?

    For example, go 64bit and use 16bit "hextets" -- 512.512.512.512. With that scheme you would have full backwards compatibility by using good old standard CIDR. If someone owned 1.255.255.255/8 today, with the switch they would still have that allotment, but we would now have 1.511.511.511/8 available as well. Am I missing something really obvious here?

    For that matter, if we REALLY needed 128bit, go with either 32bit "somethingtets" -- 1024.1024.1024.1024...

    Again, I would really like a network engineer / programmer to explain why this wouldn't work.

    Who had the bright idea that we had to use hex for ipv6 AND have it not be backwards compatible.

    From the people I talk to, the biggest reason they haven't gone ipv6 on their home networks is "because then I have to think in hex", with the secondary reason being "there is nothing available on ipv6 that isn't on ipv4 anyway".

    Thanks,

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    1. Re:ipv4.5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because hex is a better, EASIER representation of the binary that actually encodes the address. Ever tried to use the 192.168.0.0/8 notation? Did you notice how it's really confusing with decimal notation?

      Frankly, if you can't wrap your head around hex then you shouldn't be using IP addresses. It's called DNS, learn it and love it.

      Additionally, it is (sort of) backwards compatible (as much as it can be, without neutering it)- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Transition_mechanisms

      "As an exception to standard IPv6 addresses notation, IPv4 mapped addresses are commonly represented with their last 32 bits written in the customary dot-decimal notation of IPv4, appended to the standard IPv6 notation of the leading bits, e.g., ::ffff:c000:280 could be written as ::ffff:192.0.2.128."

  14. Re:Admins not adopting IPv6 by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D · · Score: 4, Informative

    The home router on IPv6 is always always always at ff02::2. It is not sometimes 192.168.0.1 or sometimes 192.168.1.1 or sometimes 10.0.0.1 or sometimes something else entirely. It is ALWAYS ff02::2. Period. No exceptions. If it is not, it is not IPv6.