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Preston Responds On ICANN CyberSafety Constituency

An anonymous reader writes "After coverage here on Slashdot and elsewhere, Cheryl Preston has responded. She says that 'some netizens have missed the mark by turning the rather hum-drum constituency formation issue into a rash of (admittedly sometimes quite humorous) charges, allegations, and ad hominem attacks. I can only wish that I had control of some global Mormon conspiracy network, that this were a money-making proposition, and that my powers of persuasion could possibly move ICANN to adopt a content regulatory system...in reality, the CyberSafety constituency is interested in many current GNSO issues, such as Fast Flux Hosting (FFH); the development of a Registrants' Rights Charter; the gathering of identity information on WHOIS; and public order issues with the granting of new Top Level Domain names, to name a few.'"

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  1. "Public order issues"? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What the hell are "public order issues"?

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    1. Re:"Public order issues"? by smoker2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't have a TLD like "WOG" or "CUNT" or "PISS" or "TWAT" or "ALLAH" or "COON" or "$offensive".
      It comes under public order, because the public supposedly have a sense of morality that the Govt. enforces. A private concern can't be seen to ignore the law.
      Why not read the (6 page) PDF and find out ?

  2. aha! unmasked at last by Speare · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can only wish that I had control of some global Mormon conspiracy network, that this were a money-making proposition, and that my powers of persuasion could possibly move ICANN to adopt a content regulatory system.

    In other words, "ICANN seeks to build a for-profit, faith-based censorship network hegemony."

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    1. Re:aha! unmasked at last by redaction101 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And you managed to say it in Lolcats. Impressive!

  3. Some Are Uncomfortable With The Truth by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Coming from an ultra-conservative background myself, I still find the whole notion of Internet regulation and censorship to be a bit laughable. The Internet is an inherently 'dangerous' place. The 'Net is a portal into the ethos of human society. If you want to know the collective wisdom, foolishness, virtues, and vices of humanity, it's all there--unedited, uncensored, uncut. Some people find that uncomfortable because it lays bare the core of who we really are. And if you don't like that, then maybe the Internet is not for you. If we're really interested in an open and free (libre) society, the Internet gives everyone the best chance to be heard and be seen--and the side of that open coin is hearing and seeing things that you don't necessarily agree with or condone.

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    1. Re:Some Are Uncomfortable With The Truth by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2

      Coming from an ultra-conservative background myself, I still find the whole notion of Internet regulation and censorship to be a bit laughable.
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      If we're really interested in an open and free (libre) society

      Here's the thing... the definition of conservative in the US has been twisted to mean "socially authoritarian". As such, the conservatives in the US are not interested in an open and free society.

      I wish there was a term for fiscal/political conservatives who are socially liberal (liberal as-in-libre)... the closest I can think of is 'Goldwater conservative'. It would be even better if that was the standard definition of conservative, and the social authoritarians had a distinctive label.

      It really would make it easier for me to define where I lie on the political spectra, and to figure out how my views relate to others who may identify themselves as conservatives.

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    2. Re:Some Are Uncomfortable With The Truth by frangalista · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't disagree that the internet will probably always be impossible to properly regulate. However, I find the notion that "it lays bare the core of who we really are" to be quite absurd. Many sites appear to be filled with people, comfortable behind a shield of psuedo-anonymity who engage in nasty, selfish, and indulgent behaviour. This behaviour is "not the core of who they are" but rather a projection in which they choose to indulge because of loosened inhibitions. I assert that the internet is merely a projection of "who we really are".

    3. Re:Some Are Uncomfortable With The Truth by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You miss the point of what I was trying to say. The Internet is us. Though you choose to focus on the negative aspects of who we are, worms, popups, piracy, agenda-driven corruption, scams, spam, primal absurdity, and porn are a part of who we are.

      If you want a good read, here's God's Debris, a thought experiment from Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert.

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    4. Re:Some Are Uncomfortable With The Truth by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This behaviour is "not the core of who they are" but rather a projection in which they choose to indulge because of loosened inhibitions.

      But I would argue that who we are is just that--what kind of person are we when we think no one is looking (or hiding behind a pseudonym)? Be honest with yourself--you might discover something interesting. Some are less hypocritical than that, though, and behave the way they do regardless of who might know.

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    5. Re:Some Are Uncomfortable With The Truth by frangalista · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree that we all have tendencies and drives that lead toward damaging behaviour. Civilisation is built on the realisation that, in order to live in the world, we need to control those emotions and passions. Yes, they are a part of us. However, as soon as I make the choice to behave in a civilised manner, that choice becomes as much a part of me as these "baser instincts". I don't believe that it is hypocritical at all to strive to be better than what I am. I can recognise my wretched behaviour and I can strive to rectify it.

  4. Bad ideas, obfuscated, are still bad ideas by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They mention it only in passing in that article, but the new gTLDs-for-sale are a colossally bad idea. Registrar compliance (or lack thereof) is terrible right now; it is too easy to find a shoddy registrar who will accept completely bogus registration data for your latest spamming/phishing/insert-other-dubious-activity-here activity. But at least the current system of TLDs has some miniscule shred of accountability. If people can start purchasing their own TLDs - say .viagara for example - they can set all the rules for registrar and registration requirements.

    At which point our last hope to track down the source of the newest waves of spam have gone out the window, as there will be nothing meaningful to track. And as those TLDs won't be in any way regulated by ICANN - or anyone else not in it just for money - there will be no one to turn to when the WHOIS records are meaningless or empty.

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  5. ICANN you CANNT by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What the hell are "public order issues"?

    The article links to an ICANN memo on "Morality and Public Order Objection Considerations in New gTLDs". Essentially ICANN says you have the right to free speech online, except when you don't. From the memo

    1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
    2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression;[...]
    3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it
          special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain
          restrictions
    , but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are
          necessary:
          (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
          (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of
                    public health or morals.

    In case you missed it, here's the short version.

    The right to freedom of expression...may therefore be subject to certain restrictions... For the protection of...public health or morals.

    I am reminded of DeValera's 1937 Constitution of Ireland, which granted unto the Irish people the following freedoms

    1 The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality:
    i. The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.
    The education of public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good, the State shall endeavour to ensure that organs of public opinion, such as the radio, the press, the cinema, while preserving their rightful liberty of expression, including criticism of Government policy, shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State.

    The publication or utterance of blasphemous, seditious, or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law.

    DeValera's objective was a sanitized society in Ireland. One in which anything deemed inappropriate by the catholic church and conservatives was expressly illegal. He got his wish, and almost broke the country in the process. Ireland became a priest ridden backwater in which no progressive opinion or position could be uttered or advocated. When in 1950, the government tried to introduce free maternity care to combat the high infant mortality rate, the Catholic Church brought down the government.

    In my opinion, ICANN's ultimate aim to transform the internet into a place akin to 1950's Ireland, in which only the opinions and policies of a few powerful (and conservative) groups can hold sway. If the Catholic, or Mormon, or Anglican churches, or an Islamic or Jewish organisation objects to your website, down it goes. If a foreign government complains that your site is contributing to "public unrest" in their state, down it goes. If your website is giving information on abortion in a country where that is illegal, down it goes. If your website uses "obscene language", down it goes.

    Remember ICANN is responsible for more than just TLDs. They control domain names and IP addresses. What does a memo like this coming out of the ICANN office say about its commitment to a free and open internet. Not a lot in my opinion. The office has changed.

    There are pornography sites, there are racist sites, there are blasphemous sites, anarchist sites, obscene, derogatory, offensive sites. And many more. Guess what? The world has not come to an end. We don't need these "guidelines" or regulations. The internet and society at large have done just fine without them. But try telling that to the people who drafted this memo.

    Cyber-saftey is a euphemism. There's no "index.html" file on any webserver in the world that anyone needs immediate and sweeping protections from. This is Cyber-censorship.

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