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Trick Used To Pass French "Three Strikes"

Glyn Moody writes "France's 'Loi Hadopi' — better known as 'three strikes and you're out' — was passed by the National Assembly late last night when only 16 deputies were present (the vote was 12 in favor, 4 against). Most politicians had left because it was expected that the vote would take place next week. In this way, President Sarkozy has sneaked his controversial legislation through the French parliament — and shown his contempt for the democratic process. So now what?"

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  1. Re:Quorum? by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least in the US, the house and senate typically assume the presence of a quorum unless someone calls for quorum and demonstrates that there isn't a quorum. However, any one congressman can do that

    Yeah, but that doesn't always happen. The Hughes Amendment was passed on a late night voice vote when the House Chamber was virtually empty and everybody who would have opposed it was gone for the night. Isn't Democracy grand?

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  2. Re:Shame by mea37 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, but let's focus on the situation at hand. Why should a legislative body not require a quorum of some sort to act?

    Sure, sometimes you have to rely on people to act honorably. Sometimes your system can't be "good enough" to prevent abuse if someone's clever enough to abuse it. This doesn't look like one of those times; this looks like a case where the system is inexplicably broken.

  3. Reminds me of the DMCA by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unpopular legislation is almost always passed in such ways. And now the blame for its passing is limited to a select few. I have to wonder if these loopholes and subversive means aren't there to protect lawmakers from having to make decisions that would get them booted from office? That is to say, while they support the legislation, they wouldn't want to be on record as having voted for it... so they "look the other way" while a team of patsies come in to do the dirty work for them.

  4. Report 'em all... by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it's a three strikes law, use it to your advantage. Keep reporting all the incidents everywehere - Sarkozy hums a copyrighted tune? Report it. Flood the government or whatever bodies with reports on all potential copyright infringement by the members. After all, don't we already have proof that they do this? It should be trivial to just report that their children have broken the law as well. Keep reporting them and get their internet connections cut off.

    Sort of like "work to rule" campaigns - you make the rulemakers suffer under their own rules as well.

    Heck, bonus points for those who can get the Internet cut off at no only their personal residences, but also to government buildings also.

  5. Re:Shame by inviolet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While my initial thought is "Shame on those people who subverted the democratic process" I can't help but think.. "Shame on the faulty system with such a stupid loophole." Did they subvert the democratic process? Kinda. But did they do things within the boundries of their law? Apparently so.

    That's not what happened. When a vote on an issue like is needed, and everyone agrees with the new law but don't want to be on record saying so, an after-hours party like this is arranged. Everyone who agrees goes home with a wink, a nod, and plausible deniability.

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  6. MGMT doesn't like his use of 'Kids' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sarkozy has been using MGMT's wonderful song kids without permission. He did offer one euro to settle.