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New Entrant In the Race For Wafer-Thin Speakers

Smivs notes another technology aiming to become the ubiquitous flat, flexible loudspeaker in public and private spaces. This one comes out of the University of Warwick, in the UK, and may reach the market before year's end. We've discussed other attempts on this problem over the years, including a touch-sensitive display that is also a speaker, and an approach based on nanotubes. "The arrangement also allows for highly directional and accurate sound, say the researchers. The speakers would be ideal in public places such as passenger terminals since the sound quality does not deteriorate as much as conventional speakers... The flat speakers are relatively inexpensive to manufacture, say the researchers, and can be printed with design or concealed inside ceilings."

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  1. Quite clever by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I shudder to think of the eventual applications. Better speakers in space constrained devices are all well and good; but if there is one thing that public and quasi public spaces don't need, it is cheaper, more concealable, and more common speakers.

    1. Re:Quite clever by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm as cynical as the next guy, but I'm really having trouble imagining an application for these speakers that will be more annoying than the current speaker applications. A very loud speaker is not exactly big today... the stupid coupon machines in the grocery store already occasionally talk to you as you walk past.

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    2. Re:Quite clever by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      the stupid coupon machines in the grocery store already occasionally talk to you as you walk past.

      You too? Holy cow. I thought I was the only one.

      Do they tell you the peas are hiding the killer of the impostor Bill Clinton, too?

    3. Re:Quite clever by nizo · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about more high pitched speakers to scare off the hoodlums... er I mean kids?

    4. Re:Quite clever by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Still not concerned?

      No.

      Powerful microphones are available that are very tiny and easily concealed. If someone really wanted to listen to me today, they could. It's not worth the effort, and frankly I don't say anything particularly interesting. If I were in the habit of talking about big secrets, I'd turn on a radio or something and keep my voice low.

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  2. What's next? by Zandura · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wafer thin wafers?

  3. Unfortuntely, this will violate my patent... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've recently patented a process by which a cool but yet pragmatic device, software, or system will be created and either sold, rented, or leased to solve a problem or make people enjoy and/or better utilize a different device, software, or system.

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  4. Finally .... by krou · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maitre D: And finally, monsieur, a wafer-thin speaker.

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    1. Re:Finally .... by idontgno · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mr. Creosote: Bugger off, I can't listen to anything else!

      Maitre'D: Oooh, but Monsieur, it is WAFFER Thin!

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  5. stop talking to me ceiling! by korney · · Score: 2, Funny

    stop talking to me ceiling!

  6. I have listened to these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They have no bass whatsoever and require high voltages. They are also not that inovative as as far as I could tell they are just another electrostatic speaker. Also they are very directional only having about 25 degrees of good sound and are not very loud. Admitedly I did hear them 2 years ago but I cannot see how they overcame these problems.

    1. Re:I have listened to these by pod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, they are definitely NOT directional.

      I've had the flat speakers on my desktop a few years ago, and it really does not matter which way you point them, as long as the surface is 'roughly' facing you. In that sense, they don't really have a 'sweet spot'.

      The shortcoming is that to reproduce a full spectrum of sound, or close to it, they have to be paired with a subwoofer, because the surface can't displace enough air to generate low frequencies. This is not an issue with a PA-type system; voice and dings and bleeps come through just fine, and would be good enough for AM talk radio.

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  7. NXT, anyone? by tygerstripes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    may reach the market before year's end.

    NXT was (is) a viable and versatile speaker technology with many of the revolutionary properties ascribed to this one. Not as flexible or cheap, but certainly a significant step up from the paper cones of yore.

    Yet, in spite of being a sound technology (sorry), it took years before it finally reached consumer products. Even now the uptake is slow.

    The strongest hurdle was poor bass-reproduction, because it didn't have the physical ability to shift sufficient volumes of air - exactly the same issue faced by this new tech - so NXT speaker systems often have to be augmented with sub-woofers - see the Hitachi AX M133 for an example. This doesn't affect the fact that it is ideal for public-address systems, however, since it is a diffuse source rather than a point, and that whole "sweet spot" nonsense becomes a non-issue.

    In spite of this, it never made a noticeable entry into the PA market. I can only hope this new technology delivers the cheapness and flexibility promised, and we can finally stop bolting big ugly boxes to the walls in every public space.

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    1. Re:NXT, anyone? by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Informative

      Planar speakers have been around for decades. Magnepan is one of the oldest, along with Martin Logan, Quad, SoundLab and the defunct Apogee. Sota and Monsoon also made planars for a while.

      The new variations on planar technologies are, mainly, refinements. The researchers at Warwick basically figured out how to embed the motor in the planar substrate itself, saving a few more millimeters in thickness.

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    2. Re:NXT, anyone? by mmontour · · Score: 3, Informative

      Planar speakers have been around for decades. Magnepan is one of the oldest, along with Martin Logan, Quad, SoundLab and the defunct Apogee. Sota and Monsoon also made planars for a while.

      Yup. I was one of the people who designed and built the Monsoon-branded planar magnetic speakers. Some of the technology was licensed from http://www.eminent-tech.com/main.html.

      We also looked at electrostatic speakers, including the "two sheets of conductive material with a compliant spacer" variety. It's easy to make a proof-of-concept device that makes some sound, much harder to do it properly. Problems include:
        - High voltages (10s to 100s of volts) required, difficult to produce and a potential safety issue for consumer products.
        - Air is surprisingly incompressible when you're dealing with small volumes.
        - A single-sided electrostatic speaker is non-linear. As the two plates of the capacitor get closer, the capacitance and the attractive force increase.
        - It's hard to get decent bass out of a planar speaker. The coupling to the air drops off very sharply below a certain frequency (depending on the size of the panel).

  8. Re:Tinny and pitchy by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was thinking about surround sound, having the surround being an actual field instead of a point source with simulated field effects would be awesome. You could have front and rear subwoofers for the low end and LFE.

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  9. I like these speakers by ameline · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_9LjBidEe0

    I'm thinking of getting a set fr home :=)

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  10. Re:Tinny and pitchy by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    No bass, no deal.

    Subwoofers work. The thing about bass is that unlike tones in the middle and high ranges, bass is not very directional at all. In fact, you can hide a subwoofer almost anywhere, and as long it's in the same room you won't notice a difference.

  11. Maybe louder won't be necessary by abarrow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they have improved sound quality, as they claim, perhaps we can have speaker in public places that won't need to be so loud and still be understood. One of the reasons speakers have to be so loud is that hey are so muddy and distorted that you can't understand them at lower levels. Also, if they are easier and cheaper to distribute, you can distribute the speakers and not have to turn up the speaker on one side of the space so that it can be understood on the other side of the space.

    I don't know about you guys, but when I'm in an airport or a train station, it's pretty important to me to understand what is being said on the loudspeakers. If that sound is coming off a nearby wall instead of a large horn 20 yards away, I think I have a better chance of getting to my plane on time.