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Fonera 2 To Launch With Extended Functionality

The next installment in the Fonera router family is set to make its debut in a couple of weeks, and the additions to the hardware are relatively impressive. Promising full support for networked storage, automatic downloads, sharing of a USB 3G connection, and a few other perks in addition to the normal range of functionality found in the Fonera routers this package packs quite a punch. "Like the original Fonera and Fonera+ routers, the principals of this hippie-love-in-styled product still apply. You buy the router and hook it up to your internet connection as normal. The trick is that the router shares a part of your bandwidth on a public-facing connection. Other Fon owners can log in and use this public network for free. In turn, you — as a Fonera owner — can travel the world and use other Fon hotspots. It's a neat idea and everybody wins, except the money-grabbing telcos."

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  1. A real hippie-love-in-styled product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would have a hotspot open to all.

    Not just the evil consumers that evilly used their evil money to buy the evil Fonera.

    1. Re:A real hippie-love-in-styled product by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well.. in many places it is illegal to use an open accesspoint without permission.

      Just wait... pretty soon it'll be illegal to provide an open accesspoint.

      Because, you know, terrorists (or even child pornographers!) might use it.

      The sad thing is, I'd be actually scared to put one of these up. People wardrive around my neighborhood all the time during the day... what if one of them was transmitting kiddie porn? Would I be legally liable? Even if I wasn't legally liable, would the potenital inconvenience of the legal issues outweigh the benefits of this product?

      What if I live in Australia -- would I have to retain logs of all the traffic? And when will Americans be required to do the same?

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    2. Re:A real hippie-love-in-styled product by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      "But officer! My router firewall is strictly RFC 3514 compliant! Only a hacker could have done anything evil with my internet connection, and I can hardly be responsible for that."

      *gets booked on kiddie porn/terrorism charges and shived in jail*

    3. Re:A real hippie-love-in-styled product by dissy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the totally insane witch hunt we have going on when it comes to kiddie pron

      Have you ever seen kiddie porn?
      Usenet makes it all too simple, and let me tell you: it's not busty blonde 17 year olds "this close" to 18, and it's really, really disgusting.

      Dude... How does the horribleness of those pictures in any way/shape/or form justify putting tens to hundreds of thousands of innocent people through trials and basically branded as guilty pedophiles for life, only to discover they really were innocent and let go?

      Those peoples lives are ruined forever. Friends and associates lost, families torn apart, carriers ruined... All because the accusations make front page news for weeks, and the retraction and court outcome is 2 lines in small print somewhere towards the bottom of page E-10...

      That is the witch hunt of which the GP speaks.

      And No, I don't buy your excuse for why that is OK to do to people, simply because the pictures are really really disgusting.
      If ANYTHING, that reason of yours should be EXACTLY why this madness needs to stop, so the real criminals taking the pictures and doing the child abuse might get caught, instead of given a week to get away while someone else is "investigated"

      You truly are a sick person to prefer innocent peoples lives are ruined instead of the real criminals caught

  2. Why, oh why... by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It does this all without a computer, so once you have it set up you can take your laptop out on the road and look forward to a new episode of Criminal Minds when you get home.

    Why must people continuously tout the ability of these devices to aid in copyright infringement? Before you stop reading here, consider this: I'm posting this from an Ubuntu laptop. I publish all my software under the GPL and BSD licenses. I publish 99% of my other content under Creative Commons attribution-only licenses. So I'm doing my part to make the IP scene a nicer place.

    All that said, it's ridiculous how many people would scream bloody murder over a GPL violation, while they're downloading someone else's content without the publisher's permission. This is beyond dumb, and it's precisely the reason BitTorrent is so poorly regarded by many publishers and ISPs. Yeah, I actually use it to download ISOs and other legal stuff, but to specifically encourage people to use it in ways that defy the law is idiocy.

    People can't demand that their own rights be respected while they trample on those of others.

    1. Re:Why, oh why... by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 3, Informative

      All that said, it's ridiculous how many people would scream bloody murder over a GPL violation, while they're downloading someone else's content without the publisher's permission.

      Two problems with this line of reasoning: 1) They may not be--and most likely aren't--the same people most of the time; Slashdot isn't some sort of group mind; and 2) Most GPL violations are carried out by organizations which otherwise vocally support copyrights, patents, and the like; even if one does not support these concepts oneself, it is still legitimate to judge others' actions by their own rules.

      One final thought: The GPL was created in opposition to existing copyright law; its purpose is to take advantage of copyright schemes endorsed by others and so unwisely formulated into law to create a sort of "walled garden" where copyright, to a greater or lesser extent, does not apply. It is thus perfectly consistent to be both anti-copyright and pro-GPL, to the extend that copyright does exist in the law.

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    2. Re:Why, oh why... by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is thus perfectly consistent to be both anti-copyright and pro-GPL, to the extend that copyright does exist in the law.

      Without copyright laws, the GPL would be unenforcible. The BSD style licenses are the anti-copyright licenses. GPL uses copyright laws to have some interesting restrictions, but definitely does depend on copyright laws.

      However, the length of copyright protection is something else, and for most GPL software infinity+ years is longer than that version will be useful.

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  3. Seems to Me by sexconker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fon is against the TOS of most ISPs.
    Fon is illegal in many areas.
    Fon isn't as nice as just running a free hotspot.
    Most Fon users signed up back in the day just for the free router, which they promptly flashed with DD-WRT.
    Most new Fon users will be attracted to the "Make money with Fon!" option, and WiFi WON'T be free to the masses, but only to other Fon users.

    There's a reason Fon never got of the ground, and that's the simple fact that truly free WiFi is easy to come by, especially in areas likely to harbor Fon users.

  4. Fon - A Good Idea I've Never Been Able To Use by ahoehn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the concept of Fon is excellent. But not all that useful in practice.

    I live in a fairly populated area, and there are ~7 Fon routers within a five mile radius of where I live (Go to http://maps.fon.com/ to check around where you live). But every single one of those hotspots is in a residential area. Which is (I think) why I've never actually seen a Fon hotspot when I've been looking for WiFi. And, in the 6 months or so that I've ran a Fon hotspot out of my home, I've had zero outside connections.

    I think the key to success for Fon would be to target businesses where people are typically looking for WiFi. Coffee Shops, Hotels and the like. The way it is now, I'd have to camp out on someone's Cul-de-sac to find a Fon hotspot.

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    1. Re:Fon - A Good Idea I've Never Been Able To Use by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Funny

      The way it is now, I'd have to camp out on someone's Cul-de-sac to find a Fon hotspot.

      I was wondering why that van was always parked outside my house. Now I guess I know.

  5. Re:communism...it works in theory! by c_forq · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since users would have to log in with their Fon account, wouldn't the burden be on Fon and not you?

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  6. ISP ToS by Kindgott · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't speak for anyone else, but it's against my ISP's Terms of Service to provide others with access to my internet connection.

    Even if I just left my access point open, I'd be in violation.

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  7. Open-mesh is much better by Artemis3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't really like the fonera scheme. The only reason i even know such thing exists, is because someone brought me a device with the fon sticker on it and i started researching how to remove their customized openwrt with either true openwrt or dd-wrt, which i did successfully, and the device became a regular wifi ap.

    Fonera is not even a mesh, its plain regular wifi access, for which you have to have an account with them (centralized), by means of paying a fee, or sharing your wifi. Terrible.

    The hardware they use is good, strong and compact, atheros based iirc. These are the same used in the much better open-mesh project, which is what meraki could have been before it corrupted itself into oblivion.

    Open-mesh lets you mess with the hardware all you want, does not force you to authenticate to third parties, does not forbid you from modifying/installing your own software. Its the opposite of Fonera and Meraki, in the spirit of the Free Software they run things with; they just provide you the tools (hardware and software) to roll your own wifi mesh and do with it whatever you want, no third parties involved.

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