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Watching the IPRED Watchers In Sweden
digithed writes "In response to Sweden's recent introduction of new laws (discussed here recently) implementing the European IPRED directive, a new Swedish Web site has been launched allowing users to check if their IP address is currently under investigation. The site also allows users to subscribe for email updates alerting them if their IP address comes under investigation in the future, or to report IP addresses known to be under investigation. This interesting use of people power 'watching the watchers' is possible because the new Swedish laws implementing the IPRED directive require a public request to the courts in order to get ISPs to forcibly disclose potentially sensitive private information. Since all court records are public in Sweden, it will be easy to compile a list of addresses currently being investigated."
Its a beautiful thing.
I know nothing of the Swedish language but I'd give my left nut to be able to request that information in America, especially since our governmental attack dogs behave as if they have no responsibility to provide proof of anything to simply go ahead with investigation anyway.
"127.0.0.1 has not been reported as beeing investigated."
How long until the government finds a loophole allowing them to investigate 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1, or maybe even one of the 224.0.0.0/4 addresses? They could simultaneously investigate everyone with a single incriminating IP address!
Reminds me of this quote: http://www.bash.org/?742386
One good thing that might come out of all these witchhunt laws that the media industry mafiaa is purchasing, is that to be enforcable, everyone needs to be using static IP addresses. Roll on exhaustion of IPv4 address space and the rollout at last of IPv6 to the consumer (without tunnelling).
English is also not derived from Latin (although it does borrow a large amount of words from Latin.) Swedish and English actually come from the same language family (Germanic) and share a large number of words (whether they share more than English shares with Latin is something that I don't know.) By the hypothesis you mentioned, the concept of habeus corpus is not something that English speakers should be able to conceptualize either.
Since Swedish doesn't have the concept of habeas corpus, they find themselves in this kind of circular "watching the watchers" predicament.
*sniff* That's a beautifully constructed troll, sir. The obvious response, of course, is that habeas corpus has nothing whatsoever to do with initiating investigations. At all. In any way.
The only reasonable conclusion, of course, is that your native tongue is Chewa, which of course has no phrase for "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but I could sure use another drink".
Thats a terrible analogy.
I think you meant to say that it was a bad analogy, considering the username you replied to.
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Oh, now "fuck you" is insightful?
Fuck you.
it's the proxy dance!
You can share if you want to
You can leave those Swedes behind
Cause your cops don't share
And if they don't share
Then they're no friends of mine.
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As a swede, I can say that our laws seems to function quite alot better than the american laws do.
We actually have the freedom to watch our watchers (in most cases). The government is quite significantly more "for the people by the people" than in the United States.
And just for you, the european human rights convention explictly states "habeas corpus" rights, although not under the title "habeas corpus". This convention is also considered part of swedish law since 1998.
And we certainly have the sense not to run camps were our "habeas corpus" doesnt apply...
...the concept of habeus corpus is not something that English speakers should be able to conceptualize either.
Yes, we did lose that ability just a few short years ago.
What?
Well, personally I'd mod this whole thread funny. However, the AC has a point. Your post appears to belittle an entire group of people. Whether or not that was your intended goal doesn't really matter. I shouldn't be surprised if you get a "fuck you" here and there for it though.
By saying that Swedish doesn't have a concept of Habeus Corpus--the liberty to not be detained unlawfully--is insulting, I would think.
The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis doesn't mean you can't think outside of your language, but the translation may be rough. For example, if someone literally translated Habeus Corpus to english without understanding its meaning, you get "You have the body". "Of course I have my body! Are you on crack?", someone who understands both languages and cultures would translate the concept, and not just the words.