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Boxee Launches New API

A recent post on the boxee blog announces the release of a new, fully documented API that will allow developers to create and share new apps and plugins. "The new boxee API enables developers to build sophisticated applications (such as the Pandora and RadioTime apps) using a set of API calls in Python and writing the GUI using XML. ... Users can install new applications via the boxee App Box, the beginnings of our app store. Unlike other app stores, boxee does not want to be a gate keeper (or bottleneck) in deciding which applications are published so anyone can become a publisher." A complete description is available at their developers page. I'm sure this will help in their ongoing battle with Hulu.

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  1. Say what? by qoncept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A boxee app store? I understand that they are working on getting hardware created, but they are expecting people to pay for little applets that will run under boxee on hardware that you either had to build yourself or hack to even run it in the first place? And even after their own device is out, how many people are going to buy it [b]and[/b] buy plugins for it?

    I also understand that if they aren't thinking big, they might as well not even try (think you can or think you can't..) but I just don't see this being even remotely successful. People use their iPhone because its "cool" and want it to do everything their computer does while they're on the road. If you want the functionality of a computer while you're in your living room, get up and walk to your office.

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    1. Re:Say what? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      And even after their own device is out, how many people are going to buy it [b]and[/b] buy plugins for it?

      isn't that the iphone model?

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    2. Re:Say what? by aj50 · · Score: 1

      If you want the functionality of a computer while you're in your living room, get up and walk to your office.

      If you want the functionality of a computer while you're on the road, get out your laptop.

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    3. Re:Say what? by Gord · · Score: 1

      > I understand that they are working on getting hardware created, but they are expecting people to pay for little applets that will run under boxee on hardware that you either had to build yourself or hack to even run it in the first place?

      Um, I don't think anywhere it suggests that this will be a paid for store. It looks to be a directory for people to distribute plugins. Publishers are then free to set up their own repositories of apps. More like the 'Podcast Directory' in iTunes than the 'iTunes Store'

        Plex has something similar called an App Store, but it's all free and open source, but the Plex guys specifically manage what goes into the store.

    4. Re:Say what? by AgentUSA · · Score: 1

      Actually the Plex Media Server is closed source even through Plex itself is open source. I like Plex a lot but I don't like the fact that they don't want to share it with XBMC or Boxee. So I'll probably be switching soon.

    5. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even after their own device is out, how many people are going to buy it [b]and[/b] buy plugins for it?

      Hopefully you don't so we don't have to hear you bitch about it.

    6. Re:Say what? by MrMarket · · Score: 1

      ... but they are expecting people to pay for little applets that will run under boxee on hardware that you either had to build yourself or hack to even run it in the first place?

      I just installed the new release with Pandora and it works fine om my mac mini so far. No hacking required.

    7. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm thinking subscription video services.

    8. Re:Say what? by Eil · · Score: 1

      Although the Boxee developers release builds for Windows, Mac, and Linux, it's always seemed to me that they hope to get their product bundled with set-top boxes sold by hardware manufacturers. Even now, Apple TV users form the largest part of their user base. Boxee is basically taking XBMC, building social networking around it (they even go so far as to *require* you to create an account), and releasing the result as a semi-proprietary bundle.

      Now that Apple has shown just how profitable an app store can be, Boxee is going to try to cram that in too.

  2. Sure they only care about us... by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

    What BS. They only do this to make money. They think (and probably rightly so) that by opening the floodgates they can make a crapload of money. Either now or later when Google buys them out.

    I hope it works, but don't try to scam me into thinking it's for the good of the community.

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    1. Re:Sure they only care about us... by qoncept · · Score: 1

      Who said that? Why do you think Canonical supports Ubuntu? For the good of the community?

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    2. Re:Sure they only care about us... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Apparently. Or have they started showing a profit?

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    3. Re:Sure they only care about us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dare they do something that might result in sustainability! Jerks!

    4. Re:Sure they only care about us... by musicalwoods · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What BS. They only do this to make money. ... I hope it works, but don't try to scam me into thinking it's for the good of the community.

      Why are people so enraged over this? To me it sounds like they built a repository system where other repositories can be added, which is, in my opinion, essential for a remote-driven system. Why would you want to get up, go over to a keyboard, find the plugin from the site you want, download, and then install it when you can just click over to the 'app store' and push one button to download and install.

      Also, if other people want to put a lot of time and effort into their plugins and then charge for them, why not? I wouldn't buy them anyway. If I was that upset that someone is charging for something that should be offered for free, I'd make my own damn plugin and release it.

  3. Closed vs Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Boxee really has nothing going for it.

    The only parts that are remotely usefull are closed source, so if your looking for the same funtionality try xbmc instead.

    The problem BOXEE is having with HULU is the fact that they are trying to capitalize on the fact they they have HULU. The hulu player is closed source.
    You cant build a business model on selling someone elses free service. HULU never took issue with the free software out there that played their streams. It was only after BOXEE got millions in funding surrounding their closed source player that these issues evolved. Lets face it, nobody would have given BOXEE millions for their open source parts as they are just that, open source.

    1. Re:Closed vs Open Source by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1, Funny

      I for one welcome our quazi-Nazi Communist pedophile OSS fucking freetard Overlords.

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    2. Re:Closed vs Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These freetard fuckers are killing the software industry.

      While your post is humorous and perhaps ironic, this is admittedly the intended goal of many of them.

    3. Re:Closed vs Open Source by kj_kabaje · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "No one cares about open sores software exact Nazis, Communists and pedophiles or any combination thereof."

      Um... I care about open sores. I don't want them.

    4. Re:Closed vs Open Source by spartacus_prime · · Score: 0, Troll

      You must be a Communist Nazi pedophile then.

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    5. Re:Closed vs Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If freedom is retarded then let me say I wear the badge of 'freetard' with pride.

      (/me places freetard badge next to Paultard badge)

    6. Re:Closed vs Open Source by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Nobody can answer this 2-part question honestly: What is Boxee doing wrong to piss off Hulu? What is PlayOn ($40 dlna server) doing right that lets me stream Hulu from my XP box to my Xbox 360, PS3, Popcorn Hour or any other dlna client via transcoding the FLV stream?

    7. Re:Closed vs Open Source by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Hulu doesn't have a license to serve content through Boxee. Hulu pays a fee to show the programs that it does. I'd be shocked if the license provides for the redistribution to outside entities that aren't a party to the licensing agreement.

    8. Re:Closed vs Open Source by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      So, does Hulu's content pass through Boxee's servers and then Boxee redistributes to its users? That's what the problem is then? With PlayOn, Hulu goes straight to my computer where it's transcoded and made available on my home network. The funny part is that I can connect to the PlayOn stream with Boxee if I add it as a source (although I prefer XBMC).

    9. Re:Closed vs Open Source by oracleguy01 · · Score: 1

      What is Boxee doing wrong to piss off Hulu?

      The problem isn't with Boxee per-se or necessarily Hulu. It is with the content providers that give Hulu its content (and I think own Hulu).

      Boxee is making it easy for people to watch Internet videos on your TV. That is what is scaring the content providers. They DO NOT want you to link (physically or mentally) your TV with free internet based video. Because then you might realize you don't need to pay for your expensive cable subscription when you can just wait a day and watch it on Hulu when you want to.

      Boxee just accesses Hulu's site and displays the video, they don't take out the commercials or anything. The content providers just don't want you using Hulu on your actual TV.

    10. Re:Closed vs Open Source by sricetx · · Score: 1

      The content providers just don't want you using Hulu on your actual TV.

      But most TVs sold over the past few years, at least the HDTV LCD and Plasma ones (but not my SDTV unfortunately) have at least one DB15 (vga) or HDMI input. There really isn't much to stop even a fairly clueless tech user from hooking a laptop up to their TV and watching Hulu on the TV. I do think you are right, oracleguy01, that the content providers are trying to make a distinction between TV and PC, but the with the way these things are converging I think they are going to lose on this one. A laptop (which most people already have) and a $16 vga cable from RadioShack http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2261573&tab=techSpecs is really all that is needed to watch the likes of Hulu on a modern TV.

    11. Re:Closed vs Open Source by defaria · · Score: 1

      Boxee is making it easy for people to watch Internet videos on your TV. That is what is scaring the content providers. They DO NOT want you to link (physically or mentally) your TV with free internet based video. Because then you might realize you don't need to pay for your expensive cable subscription when you can just wait a day and watch it on Hulu when you want to.

      If you wish me to believe that then you need to provide a plausible explanation of why the content providers are afraid. You have not done that. The content providers make money by advertisements - not by cable subscriptions. Therefore the more eyes they can get watching the ads the better for them. The more users who will use their large screen HDTVs and not be confined to a small laptop somewhere the more eyes on the money making ads. Therefore your statement above is implausible at best.

      Also, I've already given up my cable subscription. Indeed, this is bleeding edge right now and only early adopters are doing this. These early adopters are geeks who are by and large pissed off with crappy service from over-priced cable companies. They aren't dumb and realize that this is a way to dump their cable companies. IOW they already realize this! What Boxee does is not really different then what PlayOn does. Yet Boxee gets blocked and PlayOn doesn't. Why? You haven't addressed that issue. But I will below.

      Boxee just accesses Hulu's site and displays the video, they don't take out the commercials or anything. The content providers just don't want you using Hulu on your actual TV.

      And here's the real difference. Being Open Source, there's nothing that stops people from making something to zap the commercials or indeed steal and even redistribute the content! Get that? The content!!! Stealing content! Now that would piss off a content provider. Zapping commercials! Now that would piss of any business who derives profit from having commercials viewed. With PlayOn, being closed source, the content providers feel a bit more safe that zapping commercials and stealing content will be prohibited - or at least not easily reverse engineered.

      What I describe above is not all that difficult to arrive at yet I'm constantly amazed that people seem to much rather grab on to some odd excuse about how the big bad media wants you to use a teeny weeny screen. Makes no sense whatsoever!

    12. Re:Closed vs Open Source by tweek · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely wrong. I've already pointed this out in another thread and it's been covered in multiple places since Boxee was banned from Hulu.

      The cable/sat companies are the driving force behind this issue. The advertising revenue is actually DOWN right now. The cable companies paying for content actually make up the largest part of revenue for the content creators.

      Content providers actually get to double dip right now. They cable/sat companies pay for the content and they get, if the ad is national (some ads are local and NBC corp doesn't get that revenue), they get another chunk.

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  4. inb4 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    inb4 4chan

    1. Re:inb4 4chan by tjonnyc999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      in after 4chan. Notice the "!boxxy" tag? :D

    2. Re:inb4 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but I got here before the tag which has since disappeared.

  5. what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who's boxee?

    1. Re:what? by Toonol · · Score: 2, Funny

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yavx9yxTrsw

      She's kind of like the distilled essence of a certain type of girl that some HATE with a passion, and others LOVE with the same strength. I have a feeling she's actually a fairly clever girl with lots of deliberately affected mannerisms.

    2. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BOKSIE IS OUR QUEEN

    3. Re:what? by rho · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling she's actually a fairly clever girl

      I have a feeling you only said that because you secretly hope she reads Slashdot and will now like you.

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  6. Re:I'm sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You win .5 internets!

  7. a good incentive by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    An app store is an excellent incentive for developers to invest the time to create Boxee plugins. That's something missing from MythTV. For instance, I'd like to see a MAME plugin for Boxee. Who's going to integrate it? With an app store, there's the possibility people will pay a buck or two for each installation.

    Also, the barrier to entry for Boxee is much less than other set-top platforms. It runs as a standalone application on Mac OS X (intel), Ubuntu, and WinXP. You can install the application, start it, connect video out to your TV set, and install a remote control app on your iPhone and the whole deal probably takes less than an hour.

    Seth

  8. Re App Store by mrb1090 · · Score: 1

    Curious how different this is from creating plug-ins in XBMC? Seems like Boxee = XBMC + Pretty Skin + Marketing $$$....

    1. Re:Re App Store by doronbc · · Score: 1

      XBMC>Boxee, boxee is just a pretty skin. You can write/download python scripts for either one and just place in the appropriate plugins folder.

  9. Boxee is our queen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I had access to her API ^_^

  10. Upcoming Boxee features by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Upcoming Boxee features include:

    • A mother, who will marry a central character then immediately die
    • An asthmatic cyborg Ewok-thing
    • A flying motorcycle with inviso-power
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    1. Re:Upcoming Boxee features by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      An asthmatic cyborg Ewok-thing

      I knew General Grievous was evil, but he was an Ewok too? Wow, that blows my mind.

  11. Re:I'm sorry by tjonnyc999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh god, now I have that voice stuck in my head. "My name is Boxxy". FFFFFFFFUUUUUUU-

  12. Boxee comments gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why did all the comments vanish...? There were like 15 of 'em.

  13. Been done on Plex by DCstewieG · · Score: 3, Informative

    This looks very similar to what they're doing with the Mac fork of XBMC, Plex. It's very cool how they implemented it, basically making Plex a frontend for Safari with the plug-in defining the area of the browser that the video is in. This way, as far as the site is concerned, someone is using the browser like normal.

    They also have an App Store but it's not designed to be for pay, and I would doubt the Boxee one is either. I had never used Python before but I was able to whip up some plug-ins which are now available in the store.

    http://www.plexapp.com/

    1. Re:Been done on Plex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still prefer Plex over Boxee anyday.

    2. Re:Been done on Plex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks similar because Boxee's model is to monetize code & functionality written by other people... I really don't understand why these guys have been able to generate so much buzz.

  14. Re:I'm sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I love Bawksee!

  15. Boxxy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thought you were talking about that cute chick from youtube.

    "She has her own API?"

    1. Re:Boxxy? by epiphani · · Score: 1

      All girls do. But they change randomly, and you can never make any assumptions about the APIs...

      There was a better joke in here somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. Damn nicotine withdrawal.

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    2. Re:Boxxy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then get smoking my dear lad. You only live once, and who really wants those 20 years?

    3. Re:Boxxy? by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      Use an e-cigarette to smoke, my good man!

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  16. 64 bit, dammit by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    I signed up for boxxee to check it out, but the only machine I have that would possibly be capable of playing with it on is runing 64 bit ubuntu. Grrrr.

    Maybe I'll give the xbmc livecd a try instead.

    1. Re:64 bit, dammit by r1ckt3r · · Score: 1

      While not a deb solution, this thread provides a script that will completely build boxee 0.9.10-5534 on your Ubuntu 8.10 x86_64 machine.

      http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=7497

    2. Re:64 bit, dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The silver lining? The Linux boxee is a bit out of date. It always trails behind the Mac version, favored son of boxee. I can't complain though, barely anyone can get the Windows version. Imagine the content provider outrage when they release that.

      There is an install for 64 bit ubuntu on their forums though.
      http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?s=940e449c97867aa15d68fc72ccf71e41&t=4980

    3. Re:64 bit, dammit by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm actually the author of that thread, and should have a new version for the 0.9.11.5591 release out soon (hopefully tonight). There are still some bugs on the 64bit version (I think there's a bug in their md5 hashing script), but it's not difficult to make it work.

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    4. Re:64 bit, dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try running it in a chroot populated with 32bit libraries (dchroot, google for 'ubuntu 32 bit chroot').

  17. Re:I'm sorry by jack2000 · · Score: 1

    NO! You are everything that's wrong with the damn internets!

  18. Re:Boxee? Something important seems to be missing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you posted a similar troll (but about boxee) over in the actual star trek story.

    I'd salute you if you did.

  19. Box lunches? by flyboyfred · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else think the title referred to "box lunches"? Maybe I'm just hungry.

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  20. actually not that unusual ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't a game console just a computer connected to tv? The only problem with them is they are hard to program (i.e. closed and expensive to license the sdk) and they don't yet integrate the tons of media content on the internet into a easy to use interface. The web browser on the ps3 is horrible (for example).

    Also, when has a platform providing cheap games had a problem getting users? If you ported all the iphone games to boxee and added multi-user interaction, I'm sure you can sell them for a few dollars (now if boxee only had a few million users then they could generate real income).

    The real problem for boxee, is that it requires a computer and most people just can't afford to spend $300+ on one at this point.

    My solution was to ditch my cable subscription and go with boxee running on a mac mini. I will probably start writing boxee applications once I've stopped wasting all my time watching hulu and netflix.