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MS Researchers Call Moving Server Storage To SSDs a Bad Idea

An anonymous reader writes "As an IT administrator did you ever think of replacing disks by SSDs? Or using SSDs as an intermediate caching layer? A recent paper by Microsoft researchers provides detailed cost/benefit analysis for several real workloads. The conclusion is that, for a range of typical enterprise workloads, using SSDs makes no sense in the short to medium future. Their price needs to decrease by 3-3000 times for them to make sense. Note that this paper has nothing to do with laptop workloads, for which SSDs probably make more sense (due to SSDs' ruggedness)."

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  1. Not every tool is right for every application?! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

    News at 11!

    1. Re:Not every tool is right for every application?! by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's hardly the issue... notice how they say 3-3000 times cheaper. Meaning a $3000 SSD would have to cost $1 for them to consider it... Don't you love pulling numbers of your ass?

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    2. Re:Not every tool is right for every application?! by Cormacus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I dunno about that. I'm pretty sure that if your only tool is a hammer, all of your problems start looking like nails . . . allowing the hammer to be "applied" to every application . . .

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  2. How about a policy: NO PAYWALLS! by nweaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an ACM article behind a paywall.

    How about a slashdot policy of not linking to articles behind paywalls?

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    1. Re:How about a policy: NO PAYWALLS! by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about a slashdot policy of not linking to articles behind paywalls?

      Seriously, it's even worse than the "free registration required" links that we used to have problems with.

      Original PDF at http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/76522/tr-2008-169.pdf.

  3. Paid ACM subscription by eples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their price needs to decrease by 3-3000 times for them to make sense.

    Hm. I was thinking the same thing about the ACM subscription.

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  4. they already cost less per gig than some SAS drive by hxnwix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SSD is already cheaper per gig than some SAS drives. Also, 3-3000 times? What the hell sort of estimate is that?

  5. Re:they already cost less per gig than some SAS dr by Larry+Clotter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's called "pulling numbers out of your ass".

  6. Re:What if... by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 5, Funny

    FAT chance.........

  7. Re:they already cost less per gig than some SAS dr by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do you mean, an african or european ass?

  8. What it really means by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft researchers provides detailed cost/benefit analysis for several real workloads.

    If Microsoft researchers report that SSD's are not cost effective storage, it means that Microsoft is not getting any revenue from SSD storage. Or that they're behind on incorporating SSD's into the server stack. Or they caught blind-sided by the trend like they did with netbooks and are now scrambling to explain why they didn't see it coming. Oh, we found that wasn't cost effective, so we didn't incorporate it.

    I really miss the days Microsoft had it together. There was a time they were great to work with. Now they seem like the Three Stooges Do IT. SSD, eh? Oh, a wise guy! SMACK! Wo-wo-wo-wo!

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  9. Cherry-picked analysis by David+Jao · · Score: 5, Informative
    This paper is biased and premature even by the prevailing low standards of typical CS papers. For example, they model SSD failure, but completely ignore mechanical drive failure, which is far more devastating and commonplace. I kid you not:

    Since this paper is focused on solid-state storage, and wear is a novel, SSD-specific phenomenon, we include it in our device models. Currently we do not model other failures, such as mechanical failures in disks.

    The correct approach to incomplete data is, of course, to gather complete data, and they have no excuse here, because there is PLENTY of data on mechanical drive failure rates. However, if you are not willing to do that, the least you can do is ignore the data equally on both sides. The authors' failure to treat both sides equally leads to a hopelessly biased and skewed analysis.

  10. Read the Paper by kenp2002 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just finished the reading the paper.

    The paper boils down to this:

    SSD disk when measured against IOPS, Watts, and Capacity in relation to cost based on several different server types is not cost effective yet. Depending on the type of server costs need to come down at least 3 fold, and under some scenarios as much as 3000 times. Hosting MP3s that are largely sequental, low write storage SSDs are 3000 times over priced. For insaine random IO scenarios that need to come down 3 fold to make it worth it compared to conventional drives.

    Depending on the type of server they can perform worse then standard mechanical disks.

    They found no advantage to 15k RPM drives versus 10k RPM drives when cost is factored in.

    SSD drives pay for themselves in power saving in about 5 years, well past their expected longevity.

    Mechanical disks wear out more or less independant of their data load, SSDs wear out proportional to their data load.

    SSDs do not handle tiny files very well due to how data is written.

    I see nothing in the paper that is pro-microsoft, rather straight dealing on the drives themselves.

    I would suggest MOD-TROLL any evanglest on any side of the OS wars as this paper doesn't seem to deal with OS touting.

    It was a boring but informative read.

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  11. Re:What if... by Rayeth · · Score: 5, Funny

    ext-remely unlikely.

  12. Re:they already cost less per gig than some SAS dr by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Funny

    They could grip it by the husk!

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  13. Re:What if... by darthdavid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stop with the puns or you'll end up in prison with Reiser.