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Pentagon Cyber Defense Bill Comes To $100M For 6 Months

coondoggie writes "Protecting defense departments networks cost taxpayers more than $100 million over the past six months, US Strategic Command officials said yesterday. The motives of those attacking the networks go from just plain vandalism to theft of money or information to espionage. Protecting the networks is a huge challenge for the command, Air Force Gen. Kevin P. Chilton told a cyber security conference in Omaha, Neb., this week. 'Pay me now or pay me later,' Davis said. 'In the last six months, we spent more than $100 million reacting to things on our networks after the fact. It would be nice to spend that money proactively to put things in place so we'd be more active and proactive in posture rather than cleaning up after the fact.'"

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  1. frist post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How much pentagon 'cyber' defense is protecting windows?

    ban ding!

    1. Re:frist post! by EbeneezerSquid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, it is a lot.

      - however, primarily these are client machines, and the forms of attack that military systems endure are, if not OS-independent (ddos, etc), then perpetrated by individuals who will adapt for whichever OS is being run (espionage, etc).

      Moving from Windows to another OS would provide relatively little additional security for client machines while incurring a HUGE cost in user re-training.

      Servers, on the other hand, are, ummmm. . . Let's just say the server world is a LITTLE different from the client world.

  2. Public domain? by concernedadmin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are all the lessons learned in the public domain since the Pentagon is a government agency? I'm sure there are many others like myself curious to see how supposedly top-secret issues are kept safe from prying eyes. Failure intrigues me more than success because it's through failure that we learn.

    1. Re:Public domain? by plague911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The in short no. Chances are just about every lesson they learned is top secret. The fact attacks have been occurring at all was probably secret for some time

    2. Re:Public domain? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's certainly NOT Top Secret, in fact it's probably not classified. I would assume its FOUO, meaning that it can't be publicly released nor is it available through the FOIA.

              Brett

    3. Re:Public domain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Our military does not exist for the benefit of our citizens, and has not for a long time.

      It never did - at least not in American history.

      Originally it was:
      Militia = Civil defense
      Military = Federal Defense

      Now:
      Militia = Domestic Terrorists
      Military = Military Industrial Complex defense

      Or maybe I am just having a bad day.

    4. Re:Public domain? by artor3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since when does everything a government does belong in the public domain? While the national security card is over played by most administrations (the previous one, in particular), it IS a valid reason to keep things secret.

    5. Re:Public domain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Are all the lessons learned in the public domain since the Pentagon is a government agency? I'm sure there are many others like myself curious to see how supposedly top-secret issues are kept safe from prying eyes. Failure intrigues me more than success because it's through failure that we learn.

      The TS/SCI networks are 100% physically separated from the Internet, and they are monitored. As a cleared government employee, I was working on a TS/SCI machine and had a typo in a URL for their intranet... I retried it several times until I realized the mistake. About a minute later, my internal phone rang and the IT department wanted to know what I was trying to do. And this was in 2000.

    6. Re:Public domain? by fluffy99 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, some of it probably is classified. If a compromise or vulnerability involves a classified network, then any of the info would be classified. Even if its an unclassified internet connected system current vulnerabilities would be classified. Investigations of ongoing compromises could be classified simply because you don't want to tip your hand to the adversary that you even know he's there - you're just watching to figure out how they got there, their techniques, and what they're after.

      A large portion of the lessons learned, recommended configurations, etc are freely available. Check the DISA or NSA sites, or google for DOD all-hands messages and directives.

    7. Re:Public domain? by RockWolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      you're just watching to figure out how they got there, their techniques, and what they're after.

      I'd just like to congratulate you on the gramatically correct use of there, their and they're in the same sentence - it's a rare thing to see in these parts.

      /~Rockwolf

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    8. Re:Public domain? by EbeneezerSquid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are just having a bad day.

      Militia (National Guard) = Homeland defense, disaster recovery & relief, Search & Rescue.

      Military = Protection of US interests abroad (Projection of Power, Police actions, and Trade Route Protection)

      As an aside, the rise of Piracy in the South China Sea and Indian Oceans came about when the Soviet Union Collapsed (thus removing their ships from trade route protection) and the US Navy began downsizing in response (Remove a large portion of the US Navy from Trade Route Protection).

      Piracy will always be a problem unless there is someone willing to expend the resources to protect the trade routes. In the 19th Century it was Britain, and in the 20th, it was the USA.

    9. Re:Public domain? by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unfortunately, while it is supposed to be physically isolated, there have been times (and I have witnessed this) where stupid admins, or rather admins under extreme pressure from higher ups to get something done, have ended up connecting machines on SIPR and JWICS to NIPR, and then forgetting to disconnect after whatever they did was done, so you end up bridging the networks, oh, there are are for some reason still plenty of analogue modem lines on some of those secured networks (although some are secured with crypto cards)

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  3. I hope the execution is good. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In principle, the notion of securing defence networks is pretty much unobjectionable. And, if you are going to do so, doing it right the first time, rather than playing cleanup, is obviously superior.

    I only hope that the project isn't going to become an endless money pit, at which various incompetent-but-well-connected contractors feed endlessly. A DoD remake of the FBI/SAIC farce would just be nauseous.

    1. Re:I hope the execution is good. by PhxBlue · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In principle, the notion of securing defence networks is pretty much unobjectionable. And, if you are going to do so, doing it right the first time, rather than playing cleanup, is obviously superior.

      Except that we're talking about the Pentagon. The execution will be sloppy, and it will only get worse for two or three years until it becomes such a mess that the secretary of defense personally has to step in, smack some bitches and get it cleaned up. Then it will be okay, at least for a year or two.

      Think I'm kidding? Look at the whole debacle with Darleen Druyun a few years back, or the more recent mess surrounding the Air Force's contract for a new tanker. In fact, I can't think of a single DOD acquisition program that has come in on budget recently, at least not among the high-ticket items symptomatic of what Secretary Gates called "next war-itis." My impression -- as a servicemember 1,400 miles outside the Beltway -- is that the Pentagon doesn't give a shit about cost overruns because it knows Congress will gladly pony up more taxpayer money at the drop of a hat to keep the military-industrial complex running smoothly.

      You see, there's a precedent for the bank bailouts we just bent over to pay for: the American public has been "bailing out" Lockheed Martin and Boeing for decades.

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    2. Re:I hope the execution is good. by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In principle, the notion of securing defence networks is pretty much unobjectionable. And, if you are going to do so, doing it right the first time, rather than playing cleanup, is obviously superior.

      Network security is a pretty constantly evolving thing, and something done right the first time, can still be completley undone in a couple of years if maintenance and upgrades are not tightly followed. As security threats emerge, systems have to be able to adapt to new threats, and this can be pretty costly, even for the most well developed systems.

      The biggest cost to them is probably policy enforcement, when you think about how many Users the DoD has, and how many different levels of security clearance has to be enforced and maintained, the checking, reporting and acting on identified risks and threats would use an incredibly large amount of resources.

    3. Re:I hope the execution is good. by db32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know...the greatest irony of this is that it was a REPUBLICAN that warned of this. Eisenhower had a great many things to say on the subject of the military industrial complex and war in general. Unfortunately everyone associates the latest string of Republican fuckups with all Republican behavior. I'm not a big fan of some of Eisenhower's religious bent, but as far as understanding the threat of the military industrial complex and his understanding of war I will forgive him. He has a really great speech warning about the threats of the military industrial complex and making war a profitable endeavor.

      Some choice quotes...please take the time to compare to our latest Republican "leader"

      Don't join the book burners. Do not think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed.
      Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
      Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
      How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?
      I despise people who go to the gutter on either the right or the left and hurl rocks at those in the center.
      I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.
      I would rather try to persuade a man to go along, because once I have persuaded him, he will stick. If I scare him, he will stay just as long as he is scared, and then he is gone.
      If men can develop weapons that are so terrifying as to make the thought of global war include almost a sentence for suicide, you would think that man's intelligence and his comprehension... would include also his ability to find a peaceful solution.
      If the United Nations once admits that international disputes can be settled by using force, then we will have destroyed the foundation of the organization and our best hope of establishing a world order.
      If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.
      In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?

      In short...he is the antithesis to modern Republican behavior, an excellent leader, and a true soldier. He was also human and made mistakes...but FAR better than the "leaders" we have had over the last few decades.

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  4. Re:Nice to know by Foofoobar · · Score: 3, Funny

    You mean just as human as you, meat bag. WE cylons don't have the weakness of being swaying by lobbyists and ...OOOH! A PIECE OF CANDY!

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  5. It didn't have to come to this. by PhxBlue · · Score: 5, Informative

    That even the Pentagon is spending a lot of time playing catch-up rather than staying on top of things.

    The sad thing is, it didn't have to come to this. General Chilton's sharp, but his real area of expertise is space, and his command is behind the curve on cyberspace. Two recent events demonstrate this nicely.

    First, and most recently, he commented on the vulnerability of the electrical grids -- that hackers, including possibly agents of foreign governments, have been able to break into power systems that are connected to the Internet. Computer security experts outside the government -- including people on SlashDot -- brought this issue up in 2001 or 2002, if not earlier. And Washington is just now aware of the problem? Now, to be fair, they might have been aware of it for years, in which case they might have recently declassified it with the intention of getting more money from Congress to "fix" the problem.

    Second, and somewhat older news, is the brouhaha that is Agent.btz -- a worm that was spread onto the Secure Internet Protocol Router Network, most likely by someone who used a USB storage device to transfer data from an infected computer connected to the NIPRNet. But for the attack to succeed, the SIPRNet computers either couldn't have had antivirus software installed or had antivirus definitions that were at least six months out of date.

    Now, all this is speculation on my part -- I don't have access to any information, classified or otherwise, that could corroborate this ... but given that we know how the virus spreads, it's a pretty easy conclusion to draw. But the course of events is pretty damning, given how heavily the U.S. military relies on its computer networks.

    Do we need to step up security across our networks? Hells yes. But I'd rather see an Internet "militia," if you will, comprising experts from every part of the computer industry (including open source) who could collaborate with the military and with other government and non-government agencies to secure their networks from attack. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would work a lot better in my mind than trusting the security of our networks to either (A) a six-year-old checklist in the hands of an E-2 or (B) an overpaid contractor who's taking kickbacks from Microsoft, Cisco, et al, to promote one particular and proprietary solution.

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    1. Re:It didn't have to come to this. by Chmcginn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But for the attack to succeed, the SIPRNet computers either couldn't have had antivirus software installed or had antivirus definitions that were at least six months out of date.

      Software (even patches) for a non-secure DOD computer requires a review before it can be installed or updated. I would imagine that the requirements for SIPRNET are more strict, certainly not less. It's likely that the review was not as high a priority as it should have been.

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  6. That's all? by davidwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Call me cynical, but at Pentagon Pricing(TM), that sounds like a bargain.

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  7. Re:TCO? by wasted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So how does this bill factor into the TCO of Windows?
    I don't claim that the $100M would go to zero if Windows were eliminated in favor of more secure servers and desktops, but it would be a lot lower.

    While working for the USAF, I was required to do some online training. To run the training, ActiveX had to be enabled and IE basicially set to "slut mode", that is, accept and run everything. That really didn't give me a good feeling about their security.

  8. Put a large, inward facing firewall around china. by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    Problem Solved.

  9. Re:Nice to know by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pentagon or generally military efficiency is a myth, or rather propaganda. It's really no different than any other government organization in that it is highly bureaucratic, politicized (as in office politics, petty infighting over promotions etc, not democrat v. republican type of politics) and staffed mostly with second rate people who couldn't get a better paid job in the private sector. Apologies to exceptions who do it for patriotic reasons or whatever but that was my experience in working with military bureaucracy.

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  10. NSA wants to control cybersecurity by JoeBuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And that's why you're seeing stories like this one, plus the other one claiming Chinese penetration of software controlling power plants. Fear, fear, fear. Only the spooks can save us. Turn over the internet to people who will stamp "classified" on what they do.

    1. Re:NSA wants to control cybersecurity by Moridin42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the NSA wanted to control cybersecurity, parading a 100 million USD expenditure over the past 6 months in front of people probably isn't going to do much of.. well.. anything.
      How many trillions of dollars of expenditures are in or have been in the news in the past 6 months? 100 million is pocket change. Looks damnably reasonable, in comparison.

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  11. Perspective by Joebert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's roughly $6.34 each second.

    If you tried to put together a single 9 man team consisting of the , it wouldn't be enough to pay them to finish the season.

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  12. Re:TCO? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You should have been able to fix this yourself.

    Don't allow slut mode for everything.
    Figure out what sites they use for the training, and add them to the trusted sites list.

    I've seen this before in various places, and always disregarded the instructions for setting it up, and figure out what sites to add, instead.
    They end up a lot more secure when I've finished setting them up, than if the instructions were followed.

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  13. Re:TCO? by wasted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't allow slut mode for everything.
    Figure out what sites they use for the training, and add them to the trusted sites list.

    I didn't have administrator access and wasn't employed to do IT, and thus couldn't have done a proper set up for everyone, anyway, so I took the easy way out - just setting slut mode to do training, then turning everything off when finished. As far as I am aware, everyone else in my office (and on that base, for all I knew) had slut mode set full time so they could do training when required,. As the training wasn't base-specific, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the average Windows installation on non-sensitive systems USAF-wide is set with similar lax settings with the base firewalls being the main idea of security.

    Hopefully, someone from the USAF will jump on and tell me that things have changed since then and/or that base must have been an exception.

  14. Re:Here's an idea... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something tells me the nuke launch systems aren't on the same network as the rest of the DOD.

  15. Re:Here's an idea... by troll8901 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously though -- save $100 million and run a separate network.

    Do me a favor - go read up on military networks in Wikipedia. You can start with the 25-year old MILNET network.

    You can also bet that there's networks that nobody in the public (or low-to-medium levels of military) knows.

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    The idea that if I had the right combination of addresses and credentials I could launch a nuke right now is ludicrus.

    You're right, it's ludicrous. That's why the idea is never pursued, except possibly for honeypots/misinformation.

    Man, I just wasted 15 minutes trying to enlighten you!