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Can Mobile Broadband Solve the UK Digital Divide?

MJackson writes "Lord Carter's interim Digital Britain report recently proposed a new Universal Service Obligation (USO), which would effectively make it mandatory for every household in the UK to have access to a broadband service capable of 2Mbps by 2012. Since then there has been much talk about Mobile Broadband (3G, 4G) services being used to bridge the UK Digital Divide, but is that realistic? The technology has all sorts of problems from slow speeds and high latency to blocking VoIP, MSN Instant Messaging and aggressive image compression ... not to mention connection stability."

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  1. overload by the_denman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but how many people can it support on a tower at a time before it slows to a crawl?

    1. Re:overload by evilandi · · Score: 3, Informative

      3G as an alternative to domestic fixed broadband in remote areas doesn't have to support many people. You're forgetting that the UK is a densely populated area. I live in what is considered a rural area - the Cotswolds (postcards of thatched cottages etc) - and I can get 2.5Mbit/s ADSL.

      The areas we're talking about are really, really remote like the Scottish highlands and the deepest parts of English and Welsh moorland.

      You're talking about two or three households per tower, plus three hikers sending cameraphone pics, two businessmen on an expenses-paid grouse shoot checking their email and a bloke on a tractor arguing with his boss. It'll cope fine.

      My problem with the proposal is the conflation of 3G with broadband. 3G is not remotely equivalent to broadband, and I speak as someone who uses 3.5G regularly on my netbook in a high-signal urban area (Cheltenham). 3G has massively high ping times, it's unusable for anything other than browsing static web pages, FTP and SSH/Telnet sessions. Attempting to run video, gaming, VOIP or J2ME content over 3G is utter, utter pants.

      Never mind the bandwidth, feel the latency.

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    2. Re:overload by rtfa-troll · · Score: 3, Informative

      unless you actually *lower* the power on them to create smaller cells

      Dynamic power control; where the mobile and base station lower the transmission power to the minimum needed is a standard feature on all proper modern mobile networks and has been since the start of GSM. Putting in cells more densely automatically lowers the power requirement for almost all mobiles. For some CDMA based networks (IS-95) there is a problem with "cell breathing" in that heavy traffic may leave gaps in coverage, however modern CDMA networks (UMTS and on) support controlled inter-frequency handover and so having multiple network layers works well; one providing coverage and and another providing capacity and then keep only a few mobiles (fast moving or very unlucky location) in the coverage layer, moving all other ones to the capacity layer.

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    3. Re:overload by radiac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree that it's unsuitable for lots of tasks, but the government's really only thinking about web and e-mail when they talk about broadband; 3G/4G should suffice for the majority of users. Well, it would be better than nothing, and ultimately it's the price they have to pay for living in the middle of nowhere.

      The biggest problem with 3G is going to be coverage; as you say, Cheltenham's OK, but I find as soon as you drive around the Cotswolds, you quickly drop down to GPRS. And when you get the train down to London, there's no 3G signal all down the Stroud valley until you emerge at Swindon - that's half the journey. Hell, Kemble station can't even get enough signal to maintain a phone call. And as soon as you get 10 minutes outside Swindon, you lose 3G again.

      If they can't sort it out in relatively high-populated rural areas or commuter train lines, I wouldn't hold out much hope if I lived in the highlands - the business case for putting up a tower for 10-20 people to use once in a blue moon is so weak it means they'll be the last to get it.

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    4. Re:overload by digitig · · Score: 2, Informative

      3G as an alternative to domestic fixed broadband in remote areas doesn't have to support many people. You're forgetting that the UK is a densely populated area. I live in what is considered a rural area - the Cotswolds (postcards of thatched cottages etc) - and I can get 2.5Mbit/s ADSL.

      You in turn are forgetting that The Cotswolds are amongst Britain's most expensive and affluent areas (postcards of thatched cottages etc), and tend to get priority for such services due to the fact that the execs making the decisions live there. Try looking at a similarly rural area in a poorer part of the country, such as North Lincolnshire. My employer's head offices are on an industrial estate just outside Scunthorpe, and I've just checked the BT website for the location which says that not even 256k bps is available there. I'll say that again: an industrial estate in the commuter belt of a decent-sized town. Rather more than "You're talking about two or three households per tower, plus three hikers sending cameraphone pics, two businessmen on an expenses-paid grouse shoot checking their email and a bloke on a tractor arguing with his boss". "Digital divide" is right; the "haves" are not aware of the true extent of the "have nots".

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    5. Re:overload by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another issue is insane overage rates.

      e.g. with 3 you can get broadband at £15 per moth for 15GB per month (which is more than most terrestrial broadband but tollerable IMO) but the overage rate is 10p per MB (which works out to £100 per GB which is IMO insanely expensive)

      This means that any user of a mobile broadband contract has to be EXTREMELY carefull to keep an eye on thier usage.

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    6. Re:overload by KGIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The term "available" is so wonderful to use in so many ways. Just because the service is technically available does not mean that it is affordable, effective, consistent, etc.... It should be interesting to see how this turns out. There's a bit of a movement to do something similar here in Maine but that's not going so very well and hasn't really been going anywhere in the few years since they started it as I recall.

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    7. Re:overload by JohnBailey · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know why everyone ignores DSL. The telephone lines are already buried underground, and leading to every home, so upgrading everyone to high-speed is extremely easy and cheap. People's speeds could increase from 50k to 2000k, 40 times faster, literally overnight.

      I have DSL too. And it is good. Provided you are fairly close to the exchange. I'm about 5 minutes walk from mine, and I get just under 7 if the 8 Meg that the ISP claims. But the further you go from the exchange, the lower the speed. DSL is fine for city or town use, but once you start going out to the sticks, the speed drops off.

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  2. USO sounds like a really great plan by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, it may be a little socialist in some respects, it really forces a good thing onto the people with very little downside except short term funding issues.

    If you think that short term funding issues should take precedence over long term societal growth, then by all means reject this proposal. But it should be noted that that sort of short term thinking is what led to the collapse of the American auto industry and the subsequent begging for bailouts.

    It is forward looking policies that brought Korea and Japan to the forefront of broadband technology. With every new home wired for fiber and existing lines being replaced at a rate of 3 miles per hour, these Asian countries have already made investments that Western countries should have been making 10 years ago when the DotCom boom was in full effect and money was plentiful.

    1. Re:USO sounds like a really great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      people need to stop worrying about whether or not something is or is not "socialist", and weight things on their merits, not their labels.

    2. Re:USO sounds like a really great plan by moosesocks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be perfectly fair, even the UK doesn't have the population density necessary for this. Yes, the UK does tend to be more dense than the US, though British cities tend to be densely packed around a town center, rather than sprawling like US cities. There's often very little incentive to fill in the gaps between cities, given just how few people live in these areas.

      How about the remote/rural areas of Korea and Japan? Do they have good broadband access?

      (I honestly have no idea about the answer to this... perhaps somebody else could chime in who knows more. Contrary to popular belief, Asia is far from being one big city)

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    3. Re:USO sounds like a really great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. All towns are wired and all new housing is mandated to be constructed with fiber optic cable within the walls. Naturally not all wires leading to the homes are fiber yet, but that process is constant and gradual with approximately 45% of Japan's inhabited areas wired with fiber and 100% wired for broadband (defined as minimum 30Mbps).

      Your population density assertion has never been true in the UK where populations are mostly centered in cities and towns. And it has only been marginally true in the US where wiring to very remote areas for very few customers has been considered too cost inefficient.

    4. Re:USO sounds like a really great plan by physicsphairy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      very little downside except short term funding issues.

      Which puts it among a vast, vast quantity of things for which the only downside is that... they must be paid for.

      If you think that short term funding issues should take precedence over long term societal growth, then by all means reject this proposal.

      Please qualify "societal growth." What aspect of society is growing? And are we going to need to hand out free computers as well to realize the benefits?

      If you can show me some major life-altering benefits, I may be convinced. But I must admit I am having some difficulty thinking what is so important about broadband that trumps $5 a month dialup which is available to anyone with a phone line. Surely streaming HD video and playing First Person Shooters isn't what counts for 'societal growth'? Connecting people to news and other information works plenty well at 56k.

      We must also consider that the remaining places that lack high-bandwidth availability are also generally those that would gain the least by having it.

      I do certainly agree that laying fiber all across America would be pretty cool, but I'm just not convinced that the benefits over what we have now are going to match the massive cost of doing so.

      I should also point out that there is a certain boon for waiting to overhaul your infrastructure, in that, while you wait, technology advances. It gets both cheaper and more awesome. Yeah, Korea may be already mapped out with fiber, but how often are they planning to replace that entire infrastructure? If that's going to be their internet backbone for the next 30 years, well, it would suck if in the next 5 years there is some major advancement, and they have to spend the next 25 lagging behind everyone else. If we wait until such an overhaul is makes economic sense to us, we not only save over the short term, but we get all that extra technological advance thrown in for later.

    5. Re:USO sounds like a really great plan by nicklott · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the UK "Socialists" would have come round and put rock salt on the road while you were asleep, thus saving you from making this Bad Analogy.

    6. Re:USO sounds like a really great plan by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That we should disregard what people actually said and slaughter kittens is exactly what I would expect a guy who's really bad at analogies to do.

      Hrm. Yeah, fitting whatever words I want in your mouth is satisfying but ultimately stupid. He never said we should accept any particular idea. He simply said we should be less concerned with the label and more concerned with whether or not it's a good idea. I fail to see how that justifies your attitude, much less your tone of superiority. It's perfectly reasonable.

      So far as "once you start out [. . .] there's no turning back," you'll have to do better than that. That's nothing but a worthless slippery slope argument (no pun intended). If supporting a particular initiative will inevitably lead to the end of our, uh, tulip beds, "trust me, it will" comes nowhere near the mark of evidence, nor of intelligent debate. But then again since you start out slinging insults at somebody for a perverted interpretation of what they said, I would expect little else.

  3. Yes and No by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, in the sense that the technology is severely limited compared to a hardline.

    Yes, in the sense that, with a little strategic gaming, cell derived wireless technology is almost certainly the cheapest way to minimally satisfy whatever universal service obligations end up being imposed. Unlike landline buildout, where you'll actually need to spend real, verifiable money building real, verifiable connections to every lower-income hovel that you can't be bothered to bother with; a wireless "universal" system could simply involve tacking a horrifically crippled lowest tier option onto the infrastructure you are already building to sell to cost-insensitive business types.

    It is fairly likely that, unless astonishingly carefully drafted by public spirited experts, the USO will underspecifiy what is actually required to access the internet pleasantly. You'll be able to satisfy the requirements by demonstrating the availability of an X megabit connection from at least one top floor flat per postcode, while saving money and/or upselling hard, by blocking like crazy anything that isn't vanilla port 80, and not really bothering about latency, packet loss, and spotty connections among your less preferred customers.

    Don't get me wrong, the mobile stuff has its place, since you can't really trail a fiber line around behind you when you move about. As a means of "universal access", though, I strongly suspect that it is a good solution only in that it will be the cheapest way to offer something nominally resembling an internet connection, not by virtue of actually being any good.

    In particular, my concern would be the effect on the development of the internet. Available bandwidth spurs development of new uses for the internet, which spurs greater demand for bandwidth, which spurs improvement of bandwidth supply, and so forth. Reliance on extremely expensive or crippled internet access guts that. If the internet access is costly or lousy, interesting uses of it will stagnate or shrivel. If they do that, the stagnant status quo is under no pressure to upgrade, and there things stay.

    1. Re:Yes and No by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't speak for T-Mobile, but on O2 if you replace the 'mobileweb' APN username with 'bypass', you can download images without the compression that's otherwise applied.

    2. Re:Yes and No by R_Dorothy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The T-Mobile connection manager allows you to disable image compression, it's two clicks away from the tray icon.

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  4. Wireless is a short-term solution by Zouden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We (Western nations) should just bite the bullet and install fibre. The theoretical limit of data transfer over fibre is far in excess of what we can reach now, so a good fibre network would serve the country for decades.

    Wireless is a cheap cop-out. It'll always be slower than fibre.

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  5. Re:2Mbps By 2012? by BountyX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    UK is falling behind rest of the world in internet speed due to centralized infrastructure requirements imposed by laws regulating privacy and censorship. This creates a bottleneck in the network and introduces overhead. Eventually, the UK will become so slow that traffic cannot reliably route through it anymore. At that point, commerce and trade will boom in free societies while censored states will diminish in influence.

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  6. Re:2Mbps By 2012? by iserlohn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Be internet is doing a ADSL2+ 24mb/s for 17.50 GBP, which works out to 25 dollars a month... That's not too bad is it?

    Virgin Broadband is doing a 50mb/s cable service for 35 GBP which is a lot more and probably not worth it because it's cable.

    You can check availability at www.samknows.com for almost all ADSL LLU (and cable) providers in the UK. Almost all exchanges have ADSL equipment and most have ADSL2+.

    BTW, 3G HSDPA coverage is very good in the UK in and is 80-90% of all areas, while 2G/GPRS coverage is near 100%.

    Getting a HSDPA USB dongle is really cheap as well, some plans are as low as 5 GBP a month (1GB limit).

  7. Re:2Mbps By 2012? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uhm, no - the UK is falling behind because Ofcom (the telecommunications regulator) regularly tells BT (the primary telecoms company in the UK) what it can and cannot do, because the other telecoms companies in the UK would not be able to compete.

    It did this in such ways as forcing BT to sell wholesale at lower cost than it would take to recoup investment.

    Thankfully, Ofcom have come to their senses with regard to BTs new Fibre to the Cabinet upgrade plan - BT will be able to set a wholesale rate which would recoup costs within 3 to 4 years, rather than the 15 years Ofcom usually limited them to.

  8. It's the carriers, not the technology by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Mobile Broadband (3G, 4G) services being used to bridge the UK Digital Divide, but is that realistic? The technology has all sorts of problems from slow speeds and high latency to blocking VoIP, MSN Instant Messaging and aggressive image compression ... not to mention connection stability."

    What?!?

    I use a 3G HSDPA service regularly with two different laptops that have built-in HSDPA modems from Sierra Wireless and Ericsson. I also use Nokia and LG phones over Bluetooth tethering (since I'm in Australia and have sensible carriers that don't lock that down).

    I get a public IP address. No NAT. No filtering, either. Full use of VoIP (SIP or *ick* Skype), etc. No dodgy proxy hacks with image compression or other nasties. It's just a regularly IP service.

    It's fast. Not ADSL2+-over-wifi fast, but quite fast enough for everything I need to do, including VNC/RDP remote control of machines at work, SSH, etc. Latency is occasionally a wee bit high, but nothing too bad.

    It's pretty stable - it only goes a bit flakey when going through (eg) a train tunnel where it completely loses reception. Even then, it often just transparently recovers without apps or the OS ever really noticing. Sitting in one place, it's rock solid.

    I use VoIP via my 3G service in my laptop regularly, via both SIP and (when forced, reluctantly) Skype. It's pretty darn solid; the only issues are VERY occasional quality drops due to latency spikes.

    With a 1GB per month data allowance (for a wallet-smashing $15 per month ... so, about the price of a decent lunch) I can get a lot done. My carrier, Three (Hutchison), is the best priced data carrier in Australia, but Vodafone and Optus aren't too much worse and they have much better coverage, so this is hardly unique.

    So ... if your 3G service sucks, it's because your carrier sucks, not because the technology does. Unfortunately, it looks like carriers DO suck in the US and the UK, though for different reasons.

    In the US, you get hardware you've bought and paid for but is locked down so hard you can barely breathe next to it. Want to install your own apps? Better pay to unlock that feature. Want to use bluetooth/wifi tethering? Better get the "Internet" plan to unlock that feature. Want to use another provider's SIM with *YOUR* hardware, even after your contract has expired? Tough luck.

    In the UK, it doesn't seem to be so much locked down as crap. Blocked and filtered up the wazoo, WAP-like transparent proxying and HTML/image reprocessing, private IPs handed out with all traffic through proxies or NAT, etc. Ick.

    This will have to change ... but it's a carrier problem not a technology one.

    1. Re:It's the carriers, not the technology by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Competition, I think. In part, at least. We have two major parallel cellular networks (Optus and Telstra), plus one medium sized one (Vodafone) and a small-but-fast-and-high-tech one (Three) that roams to Telstra's network when out of coverage.

      3G broadband is getting big here. Hutchison is pushing it *hard* as a major alternative to ADSL/cable, and they're making progress. That means good quality, decent network capacity, and decent pricing.

      It used to be horrifying here. Like 1c/kb (yes, kb) for GPRS *or* UMTS service. My mobile plan a mere year and a half ago would've cost $32,000/hour at maximum advertised HSDPA download rate. We've never had the other crap - filtering, blocking, image compression, etc - though, and the prices are plummeting as the carriers fight to pick up users.

      Vodafone and Optus push it as a major faclity for smartphones, and also offer 3G modem+plan bundles. Three make mobile internet use a major selling point of their phones, including preinstalling Skype and selling "skype minutes" as part of their mobile plans. Not that you can't just use it or another VoIP service via your normal data allowance anyway. Even Telstra don't block or filter VoIP etc on their network.

      The only issue we do really have here is SIM-locking. Most cellular modems and phones are sold SIM-locked to a particular carrier, and tend to carry an unlocking fee if you want it unlocked before your contract runs out. To me, that seems a bit dodgy ... just make the minimum spend / contract escape costs high enough so you do OK even if the user has an unused SIM sitting on their desk. Since the carriers *will* generally unlock the phones for a pretty reasonable fee within contract, and usually do it for free post-contract, it's just not that big an issue though.

  9. There is no digital divide in the UK by Budenny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The chattering classes have been going on about this for at least 10 years. In fact however, people live where they want to live, taking into account of what services are available when they do so, and they spend their money on what they want to spend it on. Some are heavily computerized and networked, others are not. And they are fine with it. Just like some people spend their money on vacations on the Costa Brava, and others spend it on books or motor boats. There is not a boating divide, or a book divide or a holiday divide. There are just people with different priorities.

    This whole thing consists of people who are technologically illiterate proclaiming loudly that other people should get connected and computered, for reasons that feel like they make sense to them, but which make no sense to the objects of their attention. The same technical illiterates are demanding ever increasing use of computers in libraries and education, without having the slightest idea why this would improve either, and without ever having used a spreadsheet or IDE in anger or a computer as a learning tool. It is, to put it at its most absurd, people whose knowledge of computers is limited to writing memos in Word, telling the rest of us how important computer literacy is.

    And making up ridiculous expressions like 'digital divide' to cover the fact that they are talking about absolutely nothing.