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D&D Co-Creator Dave Arneson Dies of Cancer

epee1221 was one of many readers to send word that Dave Arneson, co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons, has died of cancer at the age of 61. "Arneson is often described as an 'unsung hero' in the history of gaming, having been largely eclipsed by his collaborator Gary Gygax. While Gygax was known for developing the rules for Dungeons & Dragons, Arneson's work focused more on the role-playing element. Although the two split up, Arneson continued developing fantasy role-playing content, and later taught game design at Full Sail University." We discussed Gary Gygax's passing just over a year ago.

71 comments

  1. So long... by Svartormr · · Score: 1

    ,,,and thanks, Dave. Well played. :)

    1. Re:So long... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Thanks for the game. You're playing with the Immortals boxed set, now.

      --

      Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
  2. A Salute to You by Leafheart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rest in Peace, and get yourself a good rest. You earn it very well. If you find an Archons though, give them a swiftly kick on the butt for us.

    To the family and friends. He did good in his life. And has a name plate on the history of RPG. I mourn the pass of the creators of my main hobby for the last 15 years.

    Now, where did I leave that Blackmoore set?

    --
    --- "When you gotta do something wrong. You gotta do it right. (Fighter)"
    1. Re:A Salute to You by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      If you find an Archons though

      Will two High Templars do?

    2. Re:A Salute to You by crazybit · · Score: 1

      Thanks to Mr. Arneson I spent endless quality hours with the guys that have been my best friends for almost two decades.

      Now you can play along with Mr. Gygax for all eternity.

      Rest in Peace.

      --
      - Human knowledge belongs to the world
  3. Thanks by crumbz · · Score: 3

    for the game Dave.

    1. Re:Thanks by Maelwryth · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am tempted to say,"I'm sorry, Dave. You can't do that". Instead I will echo your comment. I had a lot of good times playing Dnd, arguing about the rules, making maps, and most of all imagining.
      Thank you.

      --
      I reserve the write to mangle english.
  4. His demise was tragic, but common by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Eaten by a grue. What a terrible way to go.

  5. DM said... by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ok, Dave, roll under your con on a d20.

    Dave: Why?

    DM: It's a saving throw against cancer.

    Dave (rolls die): Hey! It's cocked!

    DM: Yeah, it sure is. Sorry.

    --
    Only his tendency toward a dazed stupor prevented him from screaming aloud.
    1. Re:DM said... by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sure he's rolling in his grave.

      --
      I believe Bird-Person can arrange that.
    2. Re:DM said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DM: It's a saving throw against cancer.

      Which is kinder than saying he failed system shock.

    3. Re:DM said... by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Why didn't they get a high-level cleric with the ability to cast Resurrection?

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  6. Blackmoor by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm glad Gary didn't see D&D 4e. I'm glad Dave didn't see Hasbro's future attempts to kill Blackmoor (you know they will).

    1. Re:Blackmoor by Jurily · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm glad Gary didn't see D&D 4e. I'm glad Dave didn't see Hasbro's future attempts to kill Blackmoor (you know they will).

      Too bad they never made any sequels.

    2. Re:Blackmoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Umm..."talking up their ass?" If you're going to use a cliche at least make sure it's the right one you inbred.

      As for the fourth edition, well, being that you don't seem to be a fan of reading I'm guessing you were one of those people who were too mentally handicapped to understand 2e and 3e (i.e. one of the "many people" that requires an easier manual for their "excellent gaming experience).

      In fact I doubt you even have the comprehension skills to read this post, so I'll just take it down to your level. Fag, stupid fucker, your mother pimps herself at a dollar store for half off, etc.

    3. Re:Blackmoor by Sasayaki · · Score: 2, Informative

      As someone who was an avid fan of v3.5 and loves 4th edition *even more*, lemme just say...

      3rd edition is very, very different from 4th. And very, very different from 2nd. Remember all those guys who, when 3rd edition was released spluttered and went; "WotC are trying to kill D&D! This isn't D&D at all; Gygax would have a fit if he saw this! 2nd Ed is all I'll play and that's final!"

      Don't you look back on those guys and go, "Wow. Their complaints have a little merit, but overall the system is a lot better now. This '3rd Ed' thing is new and different, for better or worse (but mostly better)... those guys are really missing out by avoiding it."

      Sorry you're this edition's fallbehinds. :) Pass the d20 mate, daddy needs a new pair of beholder-skin boots...

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    4. Re:Blackmoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, grammar insult, mindless bashing, and otherwise personal attacks.

      Yeah, you lose.

      Yet you're not the one rated as flamebait.

      Huh.

      Go-go Slashdot rating system.

    5. Re:Blackmoor by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Don't you look back on those guys and go, "Wow. Their complaints have a little merit, but overall the system is a lot better now. This '3rd Ed' thing is new and different, for better or worse (but mostly better)... those guys are really missing out by avoiding it."

      No, actually I say, "Wow. Their complaints have a lot of merit. OD&D FTW! Role-play, not roll-play!"

    6. Re:Blackmoor by crazybit · · Score: 1

      mod parent up!

      That is so true, role playing is almost dead in 4th edition.

      If you, reader, don't know what I am referring to, then you are not playing the game as it was originally intended.

      Now it's a good vs. evil hack & slash game, instead of the reality simulator it was meant to be.

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      - Human knowledge belongs to the world
    7. Re:Blackmoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I always felt OD&D offered fewer role-playing opportunities and mostly served to give a bunch of headaches as it was filled with bland characters who had no development at all.

      Unless you made up some goofy odd-ball one-off rule for them anyway.

    8. Re:Blackmoor by CrashPoint · · Score: 1

      No, actually I say, "Wow. Their complaints have a lot of merit. OD&D FTW! Role-play, not roll-play!"

      Which is a childish and stupid refrain, as roleplaying doesn't magically become harder just because you use 3rd or 4th ed rules instead of 1st or 2nd.

  7. Was it a lifestyle cancer or genetics or ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As us geeks age those late nights start catching up with ya.

  8. I feel another part of my childhood has gone... by Daswolfen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I started playing D&D in 79. It was a part of my life growing up and well into adult hood (and still on rare occasion). I was fortunate to have met both Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson on a few occasions at various conventions throughout the years. Its a shame to see such geek icons pass, but sadly, that is life.

    Thank you Dave, and Gods Speed!

    --
    Don't rush me, Sonny. You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles.
  9. inb4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    inb4 failed saving throw!

  10. zomg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a cancer shows up.

    you roll 2 ... oh ... that's bad. cancer eats you.

  11. RIP Dave by Exawatt · · Score: 1

    I wish there were more people like him creating such life-enriching games for us masses.

  12. RIP by CeasedCaring · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are in a small wooden box, there are no exits. (Yes, I know it was already used for Gygax)

    1. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here you said Power Attack is useless feat!

  13. bot for IRC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kinda off topic but I have a friend on IRC who's into this and it sounds really interesting but we can't find a dicebot. Anybody have any tips for people who want to play over IRC.

    Mainly he's into white wolf games but it's still more or less related.

    Thanks.

    1. Re:bot for IRC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's like eleventy-billion dicebot options, the first thing I'd do is check what the IRC server you're on has to offer.

      Might be somebody running one you can use already.

      Next, investigate what's available for the IRC client you're using. Which you didn't specify so it's hard to help further. I'd recommend different options for Windows, Mac or Linux systems.

  14. I'm just... by Quantos · · Score: 1

    Thankful for what he gave us.

    --
    Some people are only alive because it's against the law for me to hunt them down and kill them.
  15. Except... by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1

    ...he apparently failed the save about 17 minutes before you were "in"...

    --
    My sig can beat up your sig.
    1. Re:Except... by epee1221 · · Score: 1

      A few days, actually.

      --
      "The use-mention distinction" is not "enforced here."
  16. See? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 4, Funny

    See what the 4th edition does to you? First Gary, now this. Be warned!!

  17. Darn, by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    No one had a Resurrect spell, huh?

    Not making light of the passing of a human being, but that's the first thing that came to mind when I read about it this afternoon.

    LK

    --
    "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
    1. Re:Darn, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not really, we just don't have a diamond that expensive... and haven't you heard that this place is a dead magic zone?

  18. so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did he drop any good loot?

  19. game over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should have been a cleric, he could have healed himself!

  20. Thanks for the memories by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I played first D&D as a kid, then migrated to other games like Robotech, Star Wars, Traveler 2300AD, Rifts, and my all time favorite Skyrealms of Jorune. I have great memories of my friends and me sitting in our basements playing RPGs deep into the night. Here's to that +20 saving throw in the next world.

    --
    I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
  21. Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? by Chas · · Score: 1

    He's rolling an awful lot of 20's lately...

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    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
    1. Re:Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? by yndrd1984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? - He's rolling an awful lot of 20's lately...

      It's not the dice, it's the "-15 carcinogen penalty to saving throws vs. cancer (lung)" that came with tobacco's "+1 to the 'looking cool' skill in Western cultures"

    2. Re:Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Find me a culture in which a person doesn't look cool smoking.

      --
      Property is theft.
    3. Re:Will someone PLEASE check Lung Cancer's D20s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Find me a culture in which a person doesn't look cool smoking.

      • Medical Culture
      • Yeast
      • ?
  22. Thank you Dave by Vskye · · Score: 1

    Was a good time for sure, peace.

    --
    Life was hell, then I discovered Linux...
  23. OOTS plug by iPhr0stByt3 · · Score: 1

    For all the OOTS fans, here's a strip in his honor: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0644.html

  24. cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It breaks my heart to hear someone dying of cancer. I am a geek, but I wish I studied medicine.

    1. Re:Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

      Being screwed up and down the street by TSR from the 70s through the 80s wasn't bad for him?

      He's got nothing to complain about with Wizards of the Coast, they didn't cause him any problems at all. You want people to nail? Try Gary Gygax. The Blume brothers.

      If anything, WOTC gave him the opportunity to publish Blackmoor again with D20 and OGL. Which he did do.

  25. Sad news by darjr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dave, you will be missed. I signed up to slashdot after years and years. Had to create an account. Just to say that.

    1. Re:Sad news by Mybrid · · Score: 1

      Welcome aboard. It is difficult for me to imagine my life without having known D&D and the subsequent games.
      I look forward to more gaming and will think of Dave and Gary from time-to-time.
      Maybe name a character, Garar. Or Arn Ax.
      Welcome.

    2. Re:Sad news by darjr · · Score: 1

      Thank you. It's too bad it has to for such a reason.

  26. Play by Mail by dameron · · Score: 1

    Dave and Gary made buying stamps fun.

    Top that bitches.

  27. His work lives on . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't play any RPGs. (Slashdot gasps!). But I did mess around a bit with D&D in the 70's as a teenager, and played Rogue a bit in college, so I know how it works.

    I was visiting my sister a few years ago, who lives in another country, and my nephew was playing some PS2 game. He was clobbering cacti to prepare for taking on a dinosaur. At one point, I instinctively said, "Watch your hit points!"

    He was surprised that I had any knowledge of gaming, and I explained that before folks had PCs, they played D&D, and that all the basic concepts were founded there.

    So maybe Gygax and Arneson never made fortunes for themselves, but they paved a way for a gazillion dollar industry that keeps the world amused.

    That, my fellow Slashdotters, is immortality.

    --
    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  28. Finally, /. catches up with the rest of the world by Phrogman · · Score: 1

    When I heard this early yesterday I immediately thought I ought to post it to /., after all whats more "News for Nerd"-y? than the death of one of the founders of D&D and the entire world of roleplaying games.

    Sadly, /. moves in mysterious ways:

    # 2009-04-09 18:11:49 Dave Arneson RIP (Games,Role Playing (Games)) (pending)

    There are countless thousands, more likely millions who owe and incredible debt to this man, for the creation of a hobby that has likely shaped their lives in some regards. I started with the very first box set, back in 1979, and have been playing D&D in one form or another ever since then. Thanks, Dave for the countless hours of entertainment I have found playing, discussing, and designing roleplaying and related games. You will be missed.

    --
    "The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
  29. Rest in Peace , mang. by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

    I was quite the g33k in high school, but never got into the D&D thang. That said, cancer's a bitch. Nobody should die at 61 from cancer, not in America.

    Cancer has taken everyone that I know in my family, and at 22, I've already had melanomas removed. Seriously, if I had a pussy for every recalcitrant little bitch cell that decided it was boss in my family, I'd be wearing a foursome for a hat.

    Rest in peace man, and just remember, when the grey goo comes to take over, it ain't got shit on your cells' unconstrained ability to divide. Your (and my, for that matter) genetic code may be the salvation of us all.

    1. Re:Rest in Peace , mang. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I suppose now you're not a nerd any more because you say "mang" and "thang" on the Internet? Better still, you think you might be the saviour of the earth because you've got skin cancer?

      I hope it spreads to your brain and fills out the empty space in your skull a little you fucking loser.

    2. Re:Rest in Peace , mang. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, wait, your entire family has been taken by cancer and you yourself, at the early age of 22, are already having cancer? Either there's something very wrong in your environment (e.g. near a nuclear power plant, underneath power lines, radon in the water table, living in three mile island or Chernobyl, you bathe in crude oil and/or gasoline, when they ask paper or plastic you pick plastic, etc.) or your family is an evolutionary dead-end. Not trying to be cruel, just saying. I think you should do some investigation; for the sake of whoever is left in your family, your surrounding neighborhood, and you yourself.

      Also, regarding Dave, congrats on a game well played.

    3. Re:Rest in Peace , mang. by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 1

      Okay, wait, your entire family has been taken by cancer and you yourself, at the early age of 22, are already having cancer? Either there's something very wrong in your environment (e.g. near a nuclear power plant, underneath power lines, radon in the water table, living in three mile island or Chernobyl, you bathe in crude oil and/or gasoline, when they ask paper or plastic you pick plastic, etc.) or your family is an evolutionary dead-end. Not trying to be cruel, just saying. I think you should do some investigation; for the sake of whoever is left in your family, your surrounding neighborhood, and you yourself.

      Yeah, we've pretty much made the biosphere a toxic soup (dioxins, bis-phenol A, phthalates, heavy metals and, oh, can you guess what happens to all the uranium munitions fired in Serbia, Iraq, etc.? Uranium is vaporized and is carried by the winds into the stratosphere, thence to the rest of the earth.)

      So lots of people get cancer. Then they go to doctors and hospitals who are there to make money. The doctors and hospitals receive giga $ from the pharmaceutical industry which exists to make money. How much money do you think they would make if there were no sick people?

      Humans have cut themselves off from nature and place incredibly foolish faith in synthetic drugs. There are at least three proven effective herbal anti-cancer agents: Turmeric root, cannabis (yes kids, marijuana) and the seeds, stems and roots of many species of Annona (pawpaw, soursop, cherimoya, pond apple...)

      Hint: You will hear nothing of this on the nightly news.

      --
      Only his tendency toward a dazed stupor prevented him from screaming aloud.
    4. Re:Rest in Peace , mang. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, buddy. Let me know how long those remedies the Man is keeping from us fight off the cancer cells. I hear a hat fashioned of tinfoil helps focus the vital energies of the magic herbs. We're talking cancer, not a sore throat here.

  30. Obligatory AND related by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
  31. Sorry, no true nerd uses numbers in words. by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    You weren't a geek, you were a virgin. There is a difference. While there is a large number of virgins among geeks not all virgins are geeks. The way to tell the difference? We can spell anyone and for that matter geek.

    True geeks read books and don't think the lord of the rings could have been a hell of lot of shorter if only Tolkien had used leet speak. (Note the spelling of leet, no numbers involved.)

    --

    MMO Quests are like orgasms:

    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:Sorry, no true nerd uses numbers in words. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah well your mom's a virgin.

      Uh... or something

  32. Dave's Not Here Man by oloron · · Score: 1

    Another of my child-hood icons has fallen to the beast of time, thanks Dave, you've helped to inspire millions and will continue to do so. R.I.P

  33. Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think the cancer that killed him was Wizards of the Coast.

  34. It is well know fact gygax played basic and adnd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gygax did not like 3rd edition much and good dice roll probability 4th edition would not a been his flavor either, as many say they have DUMBED the game down to 3 year olds.

    He still played his basic edition and ADnD .
    Dave would still go at basic ediotn now and then as well.

    now that they are ascended as initiate immortals.....

  35. Within that thin blue blook by memorycardfull · · Score: 1

    there seemed to be so many worlds to discover; but the book itself was only a description of the key to a door in the minds of my friends and I. Thanks Dave.

  36. As Stephen Colbert said.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the day of Gygax's passing:

    "May your prismatic spray always bypass your opponent's reflex saving throw."

  37. Time for another 48 hour session by virtualflesh · · Score: 1

    Here's to Dave.. As a tribute to our greatest enemy, or perhaps our greatest teacher, I will pay Father Time another 48 hours of late-night, passionate, relentless gaming based on one of the most relevant game systems ever developed - Dungeons and Dragons.

  38. Hasbro by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    Do you mean "Hasbro"?
    I have not played DnD, but I've heard a lot of "Hasbro this, Hasbor that" in an MtG contenxt...not sure of the veracity/fanboy angst balance there, but that may be a more accurate way to put it.

    --
    I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
  39. What Al Gore thinks of D&D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To Gary Gygax:

    "Put the dice away, before I *take* them away."

    -- Al Gore