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MIT and the Constant Robotic Gardeners

Singularity Hub writes "MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) is pioneering the field of automated farming. During a semester-long experiment, CSAIL's researchers created a laboratory farm: tomato plants in terra cotta pots with artificial turf for grass. The goal of the experiment: to see if these tomatoes could be grown, tended, and harvested by robot caretakers."

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  1. Caption by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The caption under the image reads, "CSAIL's precision agriculture robots give us a peek into the future where organic life may be tended by artificial life."

    I wonder if they meant the plants . . . or us.

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    1. Re:Caption by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes.

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  2. Growing "tomatoes" by Mal-2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know, most people who go to the garden supply store and claim to be growing "tomatoes" are actually growing a completely different kind of consumable. Could this lead to fully automated pot farms?

    Mal-2

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    1. Re:Growing "tomatoes" by Mprx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tomatoes are easy to grow, and by choosing a variety optimized for flavor rather than yield or disease resistance (not a major concern in low density farming) you can grow tomatoes better than anything you can buy. Once you've tasted a home grown tomato fresh from the vine you'll understand why tomato growing is popular.

    2. Re:Growing "tomatoes" by fractoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This reminds me of a hydroponics store I used to drive past on the way to work. Their storefront all but announced "Everything you need to grow... tomatoes... in your roof space!"

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    3. Re:Growing "tomatoes" by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      My tomatoes don't last two weeks before the squirrels get them. That's OK, because squirrels are also delicious if you trap them yourself.

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  3. Great idea by jason4567 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having robots raising our food is probably a great idea, since it presents less oppurtunity for contamination. Contaminations is a big problem now, there is always some food recall because of bacteria in food or something similar. Not all of these are directly caused by humans, but I would say that a good part of them are. Having robots to do part of the work presents less oppurtunity for contamination.

    1. Re:Great idea by jason4567 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, because robots dont forget to wash their hands. In fact, robots don't normally forget to do anything.

    2. Re:Great idea by BSAtHome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but when robots do all the work, then the human population needs less food. Why then grow all those tomatoes? The more robots do, the less they need to do if for the humans. Maybe we are working on an evolutionary path making us obsolete. Let the robot philosopher break his cpu on that.

    3. Re:Great idea by sexconker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, the actual reason is that the laborers just drop trou and let loose in the field.

    4. Re:Great idea by Aldenissin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And it appears that if it takes off, they will no longer have as much opportunity. This could really change politics in America... It is interesting to watch "events" that not only have a lot of sway as time goes by, but what hardly anyone takes note of beforehand.

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    5. Re:Great idea by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but when robots do all the work, then the human population needs less food.

      Huh? Are you saying that if people don't work then they will eat less?

      If that were true, then when you retire you don't need that pension.

      And I don't think the robots most efficient method of gathering energy for themselves would be to grow tomatoes.

      Every time, (and I mean EVERY time) someone throughout history says that when technology that makes it easier to do something with less manpower, that humans will be obsolete and starve on the streets has been WRONG.

      They were wrong during the Luddites of the mills of England in the 1800's and they are wrong now.

      If quality of life was improved by increasing manual labor instead of using technology, then the Romans would still be around using slaves to do everything (hey it keeps everyone busy).

      My point is even if the machines do everything physical at some point in the future, chances are humans will be enabled to do other things...

      Some (a small minority) will use the free time to become great artists and thinkers, and the rest will probably watch sports on TV or surf the internet.

      Is that a bad thing?

      No. Because you have a choice to do something with your free time, unlike in the past, you worked from dawn to dusk just to survive, and died of an old age of 30.

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  4. Robots vs. seasonal farm laborers . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    This might work in the lab, but when robots are working alongside seasonal farm laborers, those poor robots are going to break down real fast, get run over by heavy farm machinery, and just plain disappear under mysterious circumstances.

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  5. The best place to do this... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

    is on a space ship orbiting Saturn.

    1. Re:The best place to do this... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, Silent Running.

  6. Whereas in India... by Warlord88 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Might be slightly off-topic, but cannot help pointing out. With general elections in India round the corner, Mulayam Singh Yadav, the leader of a prominent political party calls for elimination of Computers and English. http://elections.ndtv.com/news_story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20090090458&: "The use of computers in offices is creating unemployment problems. Our party feels that if work can be done by a person using hands there is no need to deploy machines." And we are supposed to compete economically along with US, EU and China.

    1. Re:Whereas in India... by Quothz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Might be slightly off-topic, but cannot help pointing out.... "The use of computers in offices is creating unemployment problems."

      Not really off-topic at all. It's a valid concern that large-scale automation of labor can displace part of the workforce. For example, automation in the office contributed to massive layoffs in the 1980s.

      Historically, the economy has adjusted well to automation. In some cases, the expansion of other industries and creation of new ones has taken care of the problem. In many parts of the world, people have gained increased leisure to squeeze the workforce into fewer slots.

      The philosopher and novelist Robert Wilson considered giving people a direct economic interest in automation. Others propose purely communistic solutions. A few, like Yadav there, want to just halt the clock and hope for the best.

      My opinions aren't fully formed, although I unquestionably favor automation of labor wherever possible. Given the historical context of automation, I don't think we need to panic just yet, but our societies should be considering the ramifications.

  7. Interesting Trend by Dripdry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to be alarmist, especially since this technology is very far down the road from being widely used, but what happens if this begins to replace manual labor jobs as has been predicted for decades? I'm sure Asimov has a leg up on me but here goes:

    Without education infrastructure in place to train current generations, low cost robots will compete with unskilled laborers for work. While this could be 30-50 years down the road, what happens when the poor huddled masses can no longer do manual jobs? Will their quality of living be raised up since it will be cheap to produce things, or will those who own the means of production horde it for themselves and leave everyone who can't afford their price to starve?

    Also, this would certainly make energy needs (and potentially metals/commodities) even more accute. If the robots can't function, then no one (or many fewer people) can eat.

    I'm all for automation, but if we don't back up our technology with the understanding that we need to provide other opportunities to people, then we may be doing humanity a disservice. From a very cold point of view, though, perhaps we would just be thinning out the population, which already seems to be far larger than necessary (i don't really advocate this point of view, but I know there are those out there who do).

    I'm sure this has all come up before (ie not terribly insightful), just throwing it out there for discussion.

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    1. Re:Interesting Trend by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't sci-fi, it has already happened. And the answer is, technology (especially robots, not just software) are capital, so in a capitalist system they concentrate wealth. A couple generations ago, an unskilled worker could get a job putting cars together and support an entire family, now those days are gone.

  8. still a loss of opportunities for the poor by pikine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These messenger boys (don't know about typists) were probably there because they come from a poor family and didn't have the means of proper education. However, they could learn much on the job by interacting with and observing the professionals. Some of the brightest who are willing to learn on their own could actually gain a successful career one day because of the experience they gathered doing these low-skill service positions. I'm sure you can find many autobiographies of successful people who began their lives similarly.

    Nowadays they are replaced by automation. That means the poor and uneducated lose a valuable opportunity to become successful. Their only chance now is to go through a proper education, and our education system still favors in many ways families living comfortable lives.

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  9. Re:grown? by The+Iso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't worry, the robots would never get more energy out of us than they put in to feeding us! We would just be mercilessly slaughtered when we outlived our usefulness.

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  10. Huey and Duey in Silent Running. by ivaldes3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of you old enough to remember Huey and Duey the robots in the movie Silent Running: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067756/

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  11. Pioneering my aching butt. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kudos for MIT for working on this problem.

    But "pioneering" it? Give me a break. Agricultural robotics ("agrobots") has been a going field for decades. The devices are very capable and some are quite inexpensive - to the point that there is at least one organic farm I know about that doesn't use or need the price breaks from exploiting foreign and/or illegal workers to run at a solid profit, despite pressure from the local authorities to hire illegals.

    Look at The Mitchell Farm just for starters. (NOT the one I characterized above, by the way.) There are others using various levels of automation in Oregon, California, etc. And those are just places I KNOW about.

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    1. Re:Pioneering my aching butt. by l00sr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mod parent up. Also, John Deere has had robo-tractors for a while now. Also, s/aching/shiny metal/.