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Bell Proposing Usage-Based Billing

Idiomatick writes "Bell Canada is attempting to impose UBB on its wholesale customers. As Bell was given a last-mile monopoly in much of Canada by the government, they are required to follow rules set up by the CRTC; this includes leasing their lines to competitive ISPs. And they are given a directive by the CRTC to provide competitive speeds to said ISPs. Teksavvy has informed its customers that were this to go through, the current monthly cap would be quartered and the cost for exceeding it would be 'multiple times more than our current per Gigabyte rate of $0.25/GB on overages.' They have also helpfully included a link where you can send your comments/concerns to the CRTC directly."

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  1. Thats it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm moving to.. oh. Well fuck them!

    1. Re:Thats it... by shimojimatto · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm moving to.. oh. Well fuck them!

      Move to Japan! The AWESOME internet choices are endless!

      1000Mbit fibre Optic for $50/mo after a $300 setup fee (this service is pretty new)
      Unlimited usage... no caps... no filters

      OR
      100Mbit fibre optic for $60~70 a month no setup fee
      Unlimited usage... no caps... no filters

      OR
      50Mbit ADSL for $30 a month.. no setup fee
      Unlimited usage... no caps... no filters

      OR
      3.0Mbit (down... only about 1Mbit up) wireless internet anywhere through the cell network for varying prices based on data usage...

      And those top 3 also usually include free IP phones and some sort of video download service... optional Video On Demand services etc.etc...

      Why does the US suck so bad?

    2. Re:Thats it... by arogier · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not everything going on in the US broadband wise is completely disheartening. Last week my hometown passed a bond initiative to fund fiber to the home as a municipal utility.
      http://www.highlandilnews.com/index.html

  2. You canadians need a regulator with some teeth by jonwil · · Score: 5, Informative

    No wholesale provider here in Australia could impose such charges on 3rd party ISPs in this way, if they did, the ACCC would put a stop to that. (at least as far as fixed line DSL goes)

    1. Re:You canadians need a regulator with some teeth by Nazlfrag · · Score: 5, Informative

      Australia? Where you get charged $150 a gigabyte for excess usage? As detailed in the light grey text in smaller font underneath the plan? Yeah, we're doing great.

      Telstra: Additional usage charged at $0.15/MB.
      Optus: Excess Data: $0.15/MB up to 2 GB then Speed Limited to 64 kbps

    2. Re:You canadians need a regulator with some teeth by jonwil · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am paying AU$50 per month and getting 25GB (10GB peak and 15GB off peak) per month with no excess usage charges ever. If I exceed the 25GB, I get shaped back down to 64kbps for the rest of the month. Only idiots who sign up with Tel$tra BigPond or Optarse get hit with crap like that, there are options available (no matter what bit of gear your phone line is hooked up to) that have no excess usage fees ever. (pretty much all of them do have the "you get x amount per month and then get shaped down to 64k or 128k for the rest of the month" though)

  3. Consequence of CRTC regulations by Dr+J.+keeps+the+nerd · · Score: 5, Informative

    The CRTC requires Bell to resell its lines for fixed rates. Bell must offer service that's at least as good as what it provides to its own customers. As the regulated rate is below Bell's own rate of return from an actual Bell customer, Bell has no incentive to provide better service that what it provides to its own customers. If the CRTC allowed for other arrangements, Bell could strike a deal with a wholesaler to offer unlimited service at a higher price. As it stands, it can't. Nothing here is surprising.

  4. Re:Do-over by Swizec · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is what happened in Slovenia. A new comer (T-2) came along and decided to say fuck you to the biggest and the baddest and just start laying down fiber, offering FTTH at prices much lower than the market value and simply work against all conventional business ideology.

    What happened was that after a few years they were the cheapest, fastest and all around bestest internet provider in the country. This forced the biggest and the baddest to sharply drop their prices and start laying FTTH to simply stay in business at all.

    Now, about 5 years after this started happening, Slovenia is the 7th in the world in FTTH adoption right behind Scandinavia and Asia.

    Fun fact: It's about half cheaper to get 20/20 FTTH here than it is to get 1024/256 ADSL.

  5. Re:Do-over by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This should be compared to e.g. roads, railways, waterways, airports and other major pieces of infrastructure. As such it is best owned by the government or a government-appointed company that takes care of the maintenance only, and is not providing services. All users pay a certain fee, based on a flat fare or per use or whatever. I say here government, it may also be a public non-profit that is set up for this very purpose.

    For example the government builds and maintain roads, and charges a vehicle tax to use them.

    An airport, often also government run, charges the aircraft that want to land there a certain fee, possibly depending on size of the aircraft.

    So it would be the government that builds/maintains the cables, and then rents it out for the ISP to provide services on it. Or maybe even telephone companies, or TV services. All the government should do is lay a digital cable, and other companies can connect to it with their digital services (and provide end-point equipment such as set-top box for the TV, modem for an Internet connection or telephone set). The cable just provides a way to get those bits from a to b regardless of what those bits are for. The only limits may be the legality of content, and the bandwidth demanded.

    It is not doable, also not desirable, to lay more than one set of the same infrastructure. Coax or telephone cables may be replaced by fibre for example, but it is not a good idea to put two sets of coax (TV cable) in the ground.

    The competition should not come from more sets of cables here, like there is only one road network but it is operated by various bus companies, minibus operators, taxis, rikshaws, and private cars. They all pay a certain fee to be licensed to use the road, and maybe tolls for use of certain tunnels or bridges. That's how cables should work as well.

    The problem is of course that lots of cables were laid by private companies, though often government sponsored, when it was thought that it all should be privately owned and run. That legacy we have now basically all over the world, and this is why they are talking about a "third channel" and thinking of ways to do Internet over electricity cables just to get more competition. It is just patchwork. Cables should be publicly owned like the roads and other major pieces of infrastructure, become a common carrier, and sell no more than their transport service to wholesale customers. Just like the telephone companies sell telephone calls (data transport) to anyone, regardless of whether you are just having a nice chat with your mum, trying to close a business deal, or are having a bout of telephone sex. The call costs the same, and everyone is allowed to make as many of them as their line allows (which is usually one at the time but more lines can be rented if you need it).