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Looking To Spammers To Solve Hard AI Problems

An anonymous reader writes "With bots getting closer to beating text-based CAPTCHAs for good, New Scientist points out that when they do, OCR technology will at least have advanced. The article goes on to suggest that whatever kind of reverse Turing Test that comes next should be chosen to motivate spammers to solve other pressing AI problems, such as image recognition. Are there any other problems that criminal crowdsourcing could help with?"

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  1. a possible idea by ecalkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    several years ago 'neural nets' were the big thing and they were thinking that they could make them 'learn' and do useful things.

    i always thought that traffic control would be an interesting application. if a computer could look at video of an intersection (and streets leading to the intersection) and figure out where cars were and weren't, you could make traffic lights a lot less annoying.

    so our CAPTCHA might be a picture/video of cars and a request to count them?

    eric

  2. But will they share their code? by dameepster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Spammers are unlikely to share their results with the rest of the world. They're motivated by financial rewards, and there is absolutely no incentive to publicize their methodology in any format.

    Not only would the "good guys" learn from it -- and thus potentially defeat the spammers' discovery -- but other spammers would simply steal their work.

  3. Re:Busting captchas has not advanced anything... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would agree, if general-purpose captcha-beating software were available. But that isn't so. Each captcha system was beaten by custom code, individually written for that system. So in effect, it is not much different than adding a new font to existing OCR software.

  4. Re:True AI by KPU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a reasonably accurate description of the stock market.

  5. Re:It was supposed to happen. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But has it?

    Unfortunately, CAPTCHA is radically easier than actual OCR. When cracking a CAPTCHA, achieving a success rate of 5-10% is absolutely fine. Plus, when you submit your answer, you are told whether or not you got it right. With OCR, anything short of high 90's is pretty much useless, and the only feedback available is through manual human intervention, which scales poorly.

    Arguably, the only significant OCR advance has been RECAPTCHA, which is just a clever way of making humans do the hard stuff in a way that actually helps, rather than just using makework problems.

    It is certainly true that CAPTCHA cracking has advanced considerably, that just doesn't apply too neatly to real OCR problems.

  6. Nice going, you just invented the tiered net by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about people for who $50 is a year salary? Congrats, you just split the internet into the rich and the poor. No more accessing the internet from africa from an old PC powered by a donated solar cell. Good job. You probably going to get a nobel price.

    --

    MMO Quests are like orgasms:

    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:Nice going, you just invented the tiered net by nemesisrocks · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You messed up. CAPCHA is not a test to tell if your viewers have any money. It is just a test if they are a human or computer.

      Actually, CAPTCHA is usually a test to see if the viewer can read English. The biggest problem with reCAPTCHA is that all of the words are English.

      I can't imagine it'd have anywhere near the success it's seen if it were trying to get you to do OCR for Japanese, or even Polish...

  7. Re:How About Using Stereograms? by adnonsense · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about people like me who can't seem to get the hang of the darn things? (I personally wouldn't be surprised if they're some kind of elaborate hoax...)