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British Spy Agency Searches For Real-Life 'Q'

suraj.sun writes with this quote from the Associated Press:"Britain's domestic spy agency — MI5 — is hunting for its very own 'Q,' of sorts. MI6's sister organization, which carries out surveillance on terror suspects inside Britain and gives security advice to the government, is searching for someone to lead its scientific work. Projects could include everything from developing counterterrorism technology to tackling a biological or chemical attack. 'Looking for a chief scientific adviser to lead and coordinate the scientific work of the security service so that the service continues to be supported by excellent science and technology advice,' MI5's Web site ad reads. MI5 has long had a roster of scientific staff tasked with developing high-tech gadgets, but an official said the service now wants a high-profile figure to lead pioneering work in technology and science. The adviser's work will focus chiefly on creating sophisticated new tools to help security service officers carry out surveillance and analysis work, said a government security official, who requested anonymity to discuss the work of MI5."

79 comments

  1. In other news: John DeLancie *NOT* impressed! by Smidge207 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I am Q. And I don't care for games, just music; see, it's the music that brings me home to my self. If I've been exposed to a day of really bad music, on hold for minutes that seem to be stretching into hours, and it's been Kenny G, or rock ("Classic" or not, I can't take much of it) or the boring and predictable Bam! Bam! Bam! accompanying the rap, hip-hop noise emanating from our 16 year old's room, after a time I need my head and heart cleared and jazz is where I go.

    Sometimes I will find myself needing to explore an old piece that has drawn my attention once again and I will play the same track over and over and over, hearing something in it I haven't ever heard before, though I've listened to it a hundred times. Miles Davis and "All Blues" will catch me like this on occasion. Some poetry is like that for me too and I will re-read a piece again to recapture what caught me the first time, or to hear it afresh to awaken me to what I missed in the first go around. "The Road not Taken" is one like that.

    I have a story of my own that I re-tell now and then because I think it will help others to hear it, even though some I know have probably heard it ten times over the years. In reality I tell it more for me, because I need to re-visit the emotions that were present when the story was born into my life those many years ago. It's a "touchstone" of sorts, a place to which I return to reawaken faith and hope.

    This is the story: But first just a bit of background. This story didn't spring entirely from the moment, there were many "tributaries" that fed into the stream of it. It's often true that a spiritual awakening, or a "miracle" happens when the ground is already prepared for it.

    Not always, but mostly. To be brief I will just say that I had been looking for a way to understand and believe that there was more to life than our just being, as my brother-in-law contended "animated pieces of meat". But I was deep into "proofs" about this. I wanted the facts not just hopeful leaps of faith or assurances from people who burned a lot of incense and meditated all the time. I wanted to be convinced!
    I'm still that way about most politics and "Best apple pie!" claims.

    I had come north from my apartment near El Paso to the mountains outside of Albuquerque. I'd come to visit friends and to gather some shreds of cedar bark from the trees that grow in the area,. I was using six to eight inch lengths of it to create small smoldering fires for the daily ceremonies I was committed to performing at the request of a medicine man I was working with. This was part of my personal spiritual quest. One of the "tributaries".

    He had taught me a little ritual to perform with the trees in order to gather the bark in a "conscious" manner. This was simply a process of taking a pinch of tobacco up to the tree selected and offering a prayer about why I was gathering the bark and that I would be using it for good purpose, and wouldn't be taking much.
    This seemed to me to be a nice way of keeping a person aware of conservation which is what I figured it was really all about.

    I like to keep things "rationally" based. Another tributary was this; I had been seeking a name. I wanted some sort of spiritual identity and through a series of very odd events occurring over the preceding months I had come up with "coyote" a name which carries many levels of understandingâ¦.but this is another story.

    The events which led me to this name could be considered "magical" by some, but for me, they might have simply been random occurrences and I thought I might be making more of them than they deserved. The real dilemma was that I was the one doing the "interpreting". Since I didn't trust anything I might come up with as coming from "The Source", my interpretations didn't amount to any kind of proof I could consider valid.

    So to prove that; the name was real and therefore purposeful, and thus, that there really was a Creator spirit running this show and all of this ceremony and ritual was worth the und

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  2. Q? by jrothwell97 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I can think the requirements for entering the Continuum, including omnipotence, a flagrant disregard for all other races and a fondness for haunting starships would be rather difficult to find...

    oh, right.

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    1. Re:Q? by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In this case, I think they really only care about the omnipotence, it just makes the whole spying thing and investigative work a heck of a whole lot easier.

      However, the trouble is, they need a candidate with ominpotence who will submit to the bureaucracy and only use the omnipotence in the manner ordered.

      It can be really hard to find a being willing to follow all the government rules.

    2. Re:Q? by Jurily · · Score: 2, Funny

      I read the tag as Tsartrek. Quite fitting.

    3. Re:Q? by Workaphobia · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know you're reading slashdot when a summary mentioning MI6 and Q needs a !startrek tag.

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    4. Re:Q? by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      I know, I was freakin excited when I read this. Then I realized they were talking about James Bond. BOOORING.

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  3. FYI by joocemann · · Score: 1

    Intelligence operations are nothing like the movies.

    1. Re:FYI by zebadee · · Score: 5, Funny

      But they are exactly like the TV shows (Spooks/MI-5)

    2. Re:FYI by legirons · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Peter Wright did a book about MI5's work ("spycatcher" - you'll have trouble getting a copy in the UK) that seems quite informative...

    3. Re:FYI by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But they are exactly like the TV shows (Spooks/MI-5)

      The woman who actually runs MI-5 watches the show. She has commented that the two big errors are the assumption that everything is eventually knowable and that five people can do it all.

    4. Re:FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they are often bogged down by nitpickers, sticks in the mud, who cry foul when the law isn't followed the spy, and cry foul when the criminal bests the spy, and gets off on some "illegal search and seizure" bullshit. Perhaps our best bet is just a computer that prosecutes everyone. Fuck the innocent. Or at the least the innocent over 18; this isn't 4chan.

    5. Re:FYI by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Neil Burnside would like to disagree with you. Season 1 if you are into that kind of thing.

    6. Re:FYI by joocemann · · Score: 0

      Lol. You have no idea what you're talking about.

    7. Re:FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm 2nd best they want. A Figurehead?

      Rather than simply pick the best person for the job, the service now wants a 'high-profile' figure to lead pioneering work in technology and science.

      History shows they are mutually exclusive. The UK has failed to develop any high tech innovation, let alone pioneer for a long time now.

      Thus Mr Sony, LG and Taiwan or someone from Intel should be on the shortlist, unmarried. That Lady from Compaq/HP springs to mind.. or Pussy Galore, Mz Onatop - they would be high profile.

    8. Re:FYI by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Peter Wright did a book about MI5's work ("spycatcher" - you'll have trouble getting a copy in the UK) that seems quite informative...

      Why would someone in the UK have trouble getting a copy? You've linked to Amazon.co.uk, and there are 4 new and 156 used available, with prices down to a penny (+postage). That seems pretty good for a book that's been out of print for 20 years.

  4. Do We need a Q when the Local Council can.... by MrSteveSD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...look at your phone and email records? I remember a crazy time when only the Police could do that, and only then with a court order.

  5. Why only Q? Why not R? by downix · · Score: 1

    Q had the cool gadgets, but R would jump right in and give a hands on demonstration!

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  6. There was a real life Q by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The model for Q didn't do science or engineering per se. He just knew where to get anything. If you wanted to send an agent into Germany, everything about him had to be absolutely authentic. Q could find a German tailor in Manchester who would create an absolutely perfect garment for whatever purpose. A garbage man's uniform would be stitched differently from a general's uniform.

    You agent might be caught but it wouldn't be because a watch pocket was on the wrong side. Q was an absolute stickler for detail.

  7. mon capitan by Eil · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Q's general policy has always been, "don't call me, I'll call you." But he's probably still tormenting Picard and Janeway, so MI5 should probably talk to them if they really want to find him.

    1. Re:mon capitan by Riceo · · Score: 1

      Insightful r

    2. Re:mon capitan by Riceo · · Score: 1

      Insightful? Really? Only only slashdot... ;)

  8. Star Trek by thedarkone64 · · Score: -1, Redundant

    The Brits are searching for an omnipotent being who enjoys toying with entire civilizations? Quite a heady goal...

  9. Hawkings big chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    to do something constructive and useful

  10. in other news by superwiz · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The Queen of England has declared that, as the head of the Church of England, she has decided that everyone is to worship the pig's head in front of the palace entrance. This is what happens when children run the government.

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  11. Just for the record by Adilor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of these are jokes, yeah, but it appears other people are genuinely confused. We're talking about the James Bond Q, not the Star Trek Q. RTFA.

    1. Re:Just for the record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Really? I was so sure the article was talking about this guy...
      http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/Pictures/NESGameCovers/Q-bert.jpg

    2. Re:Just for the record by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm, I actually thought they were talking about the Chief of Control (1960s era Get Smart TV show).

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  12. i just got off the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    i shit out an obama.

    plop!

  13. There's one obvious candidate. by Peet42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sir Clive Sinclair.

    1. Re:There's one obvious candidate. by rich_r · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because a Sinclair C5 with machine guns lends a new dimension of terror to a pursuit :p

    2. Re:There's one obvious candidate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who for ? The rider of the contraption !?

  14. Mythbusters by ireallylovelinux · · Score: 1

    I hearby nominate Adam Savage!

    1. Re:Mythbusters by thomthom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd think that they'd want something stealthy and not something that always end up with a big boom...

  15. Tony Sale: Q's assistant? by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 1

    Tony Sale's Wikipedia page seems to omit the work that he did most of his life. But some aspect of his work during that time is briefly mentioned in the banned-in-Britain book Spycatcher.

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  16. His name was Peter Wright . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Informative

    : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wright . He "was an English scientist and former MI5 counterintelligence officer." He stuck a weed up the British Government's ass by writing a book about his experiences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spycatcher. British Intelligence officers are supposed to keep their mouth shut in retirement. It's a very interesting read, especially when he describes how those hollow microwave bug thingies function.

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    1. Re:His name was Peter Wright . . . by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if by "model" the OP meant the original Q character in Ian Fleming's novels.

    2. Re:His name was Peter Wright . . . by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      fleming's books were (loosely) based off his own experience in british intelligence. M was based on a real MI6 head, who often initialed papers using only his last initial, "C". so presumably the OP meant that like M, Q had a real antecedent.

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    3. Re:His name was Peter Wright . . . by justinlee37 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Oops. Disregard that, I suck cocks. I missed the OP's subject line, "There was a real life Q"

  17. Q? Rather Dr. Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Gentlemen, let me demonstrate my new invention. This device has a satellite tracking module and a powerful bomb. We shall oblige every citizen of the British Empire to implant these devices, so we can keep order and peace in our Homeland. I named it Trusted People Module."

    1. Re:Q? Rather Dr. Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont give them Ideas X_X

  18. Q? by xonar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Q?

  19. frOst pi5t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
  20. Bond Gadgets by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Can't they just wait for the new James Bond movie to come out every few years to get ideas? I mean hell, MI5 even contacted the producers for Thunderball asking how the rebreather worked, and if they could get one.

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  21. Steve Jobs by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is a job for Jobs.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does that make sense at all?

      Steve Jobs makes consumer products. I hate to break it to you but Apple Computers - or really any consumer level computer - aren't cutting edge technologies. If you want to see what the frontier of technology looks like then look at the projects that are going on at large (and medium and small) universities and places like MIT Lincoln Labs.

    2. Re:Steve Jobs by Xest · · Score: 1

      Fuck no, he'd create a covert rifle that cost 5 times as much as it's worth, couldn't be reloaded because the magazine was sealed into the weapon, lacked a trigger because it would ruin the aesthetics and wouldn't work outside the UK due to region restrictions.

      But then, I suppose at least it would look cool, could be activated by making a gesture at someone and have some fancy effects when it did fire.

  22. Not James Bond but the other lot. by auric_dude · · Score: 2, Informative

    MI5 (chief scientific adviser) job application https://www.mi5careers.gov.uk/job.aspx?jobid=167 MI6 (James Bond) job application http://www.mi6.gov.uk/output/careers-1.html, note not the same organisation.

  23. Re:There's two obvious candidates. by auric_dude · · Score: 1

    The final two are Macgyver and Inspector Gadget.

  24. What about Inspector Gadget? by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    Wait a minute....don't they already have Inspector Gadget? Or was he French?

    1. Re:What about Inspector Gadget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you shut your damn mouth. Inspector Gadget is an American Hero!

    2. Re:What about Inspector Gadget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think French - possibly Iranian.

  25. mod 0P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    are just 3ay over to get 5ome eye

  26. I don't think it was Peter Wright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Q' stands for quartermaster and that is what the character of the same name plays. Many years ago I heard an interview with Ian Fleming in which he talked about it. I can't find a reference though (and it's driving me crazy.)

    The inspiration for the gadgets may have come from Sidney Cotton who was a friend of Ian Fleming.

  27. Why only Q? Why not R? Or why not V? by Shard.Oglass666 · · Score: 0

    Oh, wait...V would kill them.

  28. Re:There's two obvious candidates. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    The final two are Macgyver and Inspector Gadget.

    Well, with the economic troubles and all - they probably don't want to hire Inspector Gadget because they'd also have to hire Penny to keep cleaning up after his mistakes. And now that she's older, she's learned to negotiate.

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  29. protip on Services application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be eligible for any decent position in the Civil Service in the UK, especially in intelligence, you must be able to answer YES to the following questions:

    1. Did you go to Oxford or Cambridge?

    2. Did someone approach you while there?

    3. Did you not mouth off about it?

    4. Are you thoroughly apolitical, or Establishment political (from a well-known family, perhaps)?

    5. Which is to say, are you content with power per se, precisely as assigned to you?

    And, though you'll not be around idiots, don't expect your job to be a thrill a minute. You're probably just sitting in an office all day translating the latest Arabic waffle which some higher-up will either ignore or take out of context, depending on the needs of the day.

  30. Thanks for the invite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I'll hold out for the job of the real-life 'Lucius Fox', thank you very much.

  31. Top 10 known advantages for being Q by earlymon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've watched the movies and even a few episodes of the TV show. Here are the known advantages for being Q:

    1. Apparently unlimited R&D budget.
    2. No ES&H looking over your shoulder while minions shoot themselves and blow themselves up.
    3. You're free to just work things out without some PHB running about and micromanaging you.
    4. You get to leave your sub sandwich wherever it's convenient at the time and no one even thinks of touching it.
    5. You get to spend a great deal of time critiquing toys that explode.
    6. You get to know what tailors across Europe are up to - and combined with #1, above, implies a LOT.
    7. Main staff are assigned to check in with you before working - and they do. N.B., you do not write memos and status reports about what they'll find - people have to ask - once.
    8. Your day isn't filled just with minions shooting themselves and blowing themselves up - you get to talk to people, including staff, that experiences the outside world.
    9. Overall main staff is hip and intelligent.
    10. You can get exasperated with James Bond and talk to him like he's a child and instead of shooting you (remember - license to kill), and instead of politically backstabbing you within the organization, he likes you for it and makes jokes.

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  32. Instructions for candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Resumes should be sent c/o Miss Moneypenny.

  33. Its Quartermaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was always implied (and when questioned, Ian Fleming stated) that Q stands for Quartermaster. The person in charge of inventory and sign-in/sign/out of government material to officers/enlisted for the regular course of their duties. In many countries, this includes kit, uniform and weapon. Extras may also include nuclear powered night-vision underwater goggles that do double duty as an electric toothbrush, shaver, and anti-tank/anti-aircraft weapon. Its handy too, if it appears to be an ordinary fountain pen, engraved with the persons initials and highly embossed in mother-of-pearl.

  34. Disadvantages for being Q by Digestromath · · Score: 1

    1. Very few products survive field testing to provide useful data

    2. Minions, no matter how disposable, still require a surpising ammount of paperwork.

    3. Unlimited R&D budget limited to a list of "approved vendors"

    4. You're employers have a license to terminate you, and ensure your body is never found.

    5. Women choose men in tuxedos over men in lab coats every time.

    1. Re:Disadvantages for being Q by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "5. Women choose men in tuxedos over men in lab coats every time."

      Tell that to this guy:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Freeman

    2. Re:Disadvantages for being Q by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6. Like Number 2, comes after P.

    3. Re:Disadvantages for being Q by socrplayr813 · · Score: 1

      HEV Suit >> Lab Coat

      That's why I'm building one in my mom's basement. Now I'll finally be able to get girls.

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  35. Fascinating job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That really would be the job of a lifetime, but I assume people know that the mere fact of working for MI5 is an Official Secret, and can only be divulged under fairly limited circumstances. If you ever blab a word about it to anybody, you will envy the folks at Gitmo. Especially somebody in as senior a position as this.

    If I met the residency/citizenship requirements I'd apply. Seriously. I've thought about approaching the local spooks, but have never gotten around to it. Hence the AC posting.

    1. Re:Fascinating job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Seriously. I've thought about approaching the local spooks, but have never gotten around to it. Hence the AC posting.

      Don't worry, we'll be in touch.

  36. Top priority by PPH · · Score: 1

    One of those magnetic watches that can unzip a cocktail dress at a distance.

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    1. Re:Top priority by AI0867 · · Score: 1

      Spooky action at a distance?

  37. Station IX by choco · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you go back to WW2, the UK had a research lab which produced many curious inventions worthy of "Q". It was part of the SOE and known as "Station IX". It was based in an old Mansion just South of Welwyn in Herts.

    You can now buy a catalogue of their weird and wonderful creations - which included such things as:

    Explosive Rats (designed to destroy boilers)

    Motor Bikes which folded into a small case and could be dropped by parachute. ("Welbike")

    Silenced Single shot guns ("Welrod")

    Explosive Pens.

    Land Mines disguised as faeces from a wide range of Animals. These had a double effect - not only could they knock out enemy vehicles, but they slowed progress and sapped morale by forcing the occupants of enemy vehicles to get out and probe carefully every last turd they came across.

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  38. Q is either known to them or non-existent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The person they're looking for would have had to have access to so much of the world's sensitive Science & Technology info, that he or she is already well known to this organisation...

    OR...

    there is no suitable candidate...

    UNLESS...

    some Chinese, Indian or Russian has the info it would take (eg, by virtue of their work looking at & keeping up-to-date with "their competition's" Science & Technologies).

    I really don't think this is the stuff for a /. article... are you guys becoming a virutal tabloid or what?!? ;-)

  39. I nominate Bill Joy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enuf said.

  40. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other than recruitment why would you want a high profile person. Having some one well known and in the public eye makes him/her that much more easy of a target.

  41. Maybe they should be more like the movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Maybe they'd be more successful if they were like the movies.

    More freethinking, rugged individualism.

    Less risk averse bureaucratic types that are more worried about covering their own arse.

    Less making political points, more action oriented.

    Less cracking down on their domestic citizens, and more overseas adventurism.

    Less hiring of blonde haired, blue eyed females with law degrees, more hiring of slightly dodgy individuals that can speak a number of exotic languages.

    It'd be great, but it'd piss of the government hating lefties (but if we talked to our enemies they'd be our friends!), and the righties would be bamboozled that something other than football metaphors and 'send in the marines' can solve foreign policy problems (Jesus didn't say nuffin about espionage in that thar bible, it's for pussies!).

    A win on all accounts I say.

  42. They never killed no-one honest by dugeen · · Score: 1

    Remember, MI6 have never had anyone killed, their chief said so at the Diana inquest in Paris. I see no reason to disbelieve this, other than the fact that the government swore blind that MI6 agents didn't assist in torturing people at Guantanamo, and then admitted that, well, they had actually.

  43. Kids... by bythescruff · · Score: 1

    ...this is why you should do well in school if you can - so when an opportunity like this comes along, they'll want you.

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  44. Think They'd Consider A Colonial? by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    Hmmmm ... think they'd consider one of us colonial cousins?

    Maybe a fresh outside look, eh wot? But I might want to bring a sidekick. Perhaps someone Canadian, just to reassure our British cousins a bit?

    "I should be very much obliged if you would slip your revolver into your pocket. An Eley's No. 2 is an excellent argument with gentlemen who can twist steel pokers into knots. That and a toothbrush are, I think, all that we need."

    1. Re:Think They'd Consider A Colonial? by dwye · · Score: 1

      A bit too obscure. Perhaps a name that we can lookup?

  45. About #10... by Akuun · · Score: 1

    Well, the main reason for #10 is probably because to Bond, Q is basically Santa Claus.

  46. Sounds glamorous? Think about the other side by dash2 · · Score: 1

    MI5 were recently in the news for alleged complicity in the torture of detainees in Pakistan.

    Before you jump at this glamorous top secret job, think about who you will be working for.