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Threat To Net Neutrality In Europe

Narcissus writes to tell us that the European Parliament is planning a vote in the Industry, Transport, Energy (ITRE) committee that could reintroduce amendment 138 (currently amendment 46) which deals with safeguards to user rights on the internet and graduated response schemes. There are several online campaigns trying to drive awareness and action already but there is limited time to act. "The Council may propose a compromise version of amendment 138/46 that is completely neutralized, or that may even become the opposite of the original by allowing the 'three strikes' scheme instead of preventing it. According to the latest negotiations, am.138/46 wouldn't anymore be an article (that must be transposed by Member States in their law) but a mere recital that has just indicative value. It is urgent to contact the members of the ITRE committee to advise them to reject compromise with the Council that failed to respect the intent of the original amendment. The best would be once again to approve the amendment."

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  1. Give it Up! by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As long as carriers can set their own policies for traffic carried across networks that they own, Net Neutrality is a dead topic.

    Free Enterprise dictates that the carriers have the right to price services according to market demand. If your carrier starts adopting tiered pricing or starts prioritizing your traffic in ways that it sees fit, then let your feet do the walking to another carrier.

    Free Markets do eventually work their way around to providing the services people want for the price they're willing to pay.

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    1. Re:Give it Up! by notarockstar1979 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voting with your feet assumes that the market is healthy enough to have other carriers that don't practice the exact same thing you're trying to get away from. I'm not in Europe, so the outcome of this does not DIRECTLY affect me. I just like playing devil's advocate some days.

    2. Re:Give it Up! by damburger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, because free markets did such a good job with the banking industry.

      The rational equilibrium model of the free market fundamentalists has gone tits up. Move on, and wise up. Collusion, misinformation, and group think are quite capable of doing for the IT sector what they have done for the financial sector.

      There needs to be citizen participation in both politics and economics. Economies are not worthwhile aims in themselves, they are merely tools we use to coordinate society - whenever they don't work for people, we should seek to change them.

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    3. Re:Give it Up! by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have at least 3 hard-wired choices to my home, both high speed. There's at least 4 3G wireless carriers I can deal with so I think I do have some choice at least where I'm at, so YMMV. I do agree that there needs to be a healthy market though but why then do we in the US give monopolies to companies that just run cables to your house or buy a set of frequencies? To give them incentives to build out the infrastructure. I believe that that system needs to change a bit and only allow them full monopoly power over that investment for a certain period of time.

      If you look at Time Warner's recent "Tiered" evaluation flop you can see that people can and do influence these decisions as well.

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    4. Re:Give it Up! by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >>>Yeah, because free markets did such a good job with the banking industry.

      Not a free market. It's controlled by the *monopoly* called the Reserve Bank, which is itself controlled by the Congress, which mandated in the mid-1990s that banks must hand-out "no money down" loans. That eventually led to the housing crisis. That is not a free market. That's an oligarchy of 535 men.

      A true free market would not have a Reserve Bank setting interest rates, but instead have interest rates that are set by each independent bank, and these rates would move up-and-down with supply-and-demand. Furthermore Congress would allow banks to decide for themselves who qualifies and who does not qualify for loans, based on income.

      Yes that means some would hear the word "no". Oh well.

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  2. European Parliament Elections very soon... by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Send a clear message that this nonsense will not be tolerated... to help make an intelligent decision when voting in European elections, see:

    http://www.laquadrature.net/en [laquadrature.net]

    Check out the Political memory resource:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Political_Memory [laquadrature.net]

    especially the "List of recorded votes" section to see who voted for what - before you reward them with your vote for them.

    Also of interest, the Telecoms Package section: http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Telecoms_Package [laquadrature.net]

  3. Stop it. by DAldredge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stop trying to equate network neutrality with stealing. Punishing those who keep stealing/pirating content doesn't have anything to do with NN.

  4. The end of the Golden Age of the Internet by maillemaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's quite clear to me that the end of the Golden Age of the Internet is drawing near.

    The internet has finally drawn the attention of the huge money and power brokers of the world. These people are going to make sure that the Internet serves their ends as much as possible.

    Oh, there will be the few geeks who know how to set up a proxy to secure a tiny bit of anonymity until one of the Big Fish get wind of you and get interested in tracking you down, but for the most part, all connections are going to be monitored. They are going to know who's on each end of every communication channel, and they are going to know what is being communicated, and to a large extent, they will control it. Whether it's priority transmission speeds, bandwidth capping, or outright censoring, there's too much money at stake on the Internet now to leave the playing field "neutral".

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    1. Re:The end of the Golden Age of the Internet by Jestrzcap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's less clear to me that this is the case.

      You think Google is going to put up long with some idiot provider charging customers an extra $20/month to allow access to *.google.com/*
      You think Google is going to share it's ad revenue with consumer ISPs? I'm just using Google as an example, but multiply this by all the big businesses out there.

      Time Warner, Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Verizon, etc are all competing with each other using different technologies. Within the next 5 years or so you'll have fiber-class wireless connections available to your homes.

      You really think every single player is going to be able to pull their head out of their butts long enough to coordinate something as complex as tiered internet?

      Competition is going to keep net neutrality a reality until the basics fundamentally change. You may have the odd player who tries to nickel and dime their customers by over regulating their networks, but it'll be the minority, and there will be options.

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  5. URGENT: Two days to help Catherine Trautmann prote by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bad form to reply to own post, but I just saw this related news item at http://www.laquadrature.net/en

    URGENT: Two days to help Catherine Trautmann protect EU citizens.
    Paris, April 20th 2009 - The Council of the EU is strongly pushing Catherine Trautmann - rapporteur of the main directives of the "Telecoms Package" - to accept a useless, neutralized version[1] of amendment 138. This amendment, opposing to "graduated response - or "three strikes" â" schemes, has been overwhelmingly adopted by the European Parliament in its first reading on September 2008, and is crucial for safeguarding EU citizens' rights and freedoms. La Quadrature du Net calls European citizens to urge their MEPs seating in ITRE committee to support the rapporteur by refusing any compromise neutralizing amendment 138 (now renumbered 46) on April 21st vote.

    [1] The Council wants to make it a merely indicative recital instead of an article that Member States must transpose into their law

  6. Re:maybe, maybe not by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call back later? Wrong answer. Once the amendment's passed, it's too late to call your representative. We Americans have discovered this from personal experience wherein today's proposal suddenly passes the Congress tomorrow, and now we're stuck with the law. Too late to whine after it's a done deal.

    NOW is the time to call your reps.

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  7. Re:maybe, maybe not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes. The vote hasn't happened yet.

    Generally speaking its best to raise awareness of an important vote before it happens, so that you can contact your representatives and make it clear what you expect them to do. You know, so that your representatives actually represent you. Believe it or not democracy doesn't have to happen with elected officials doing what they want while you mutter under your breath, you are allowed as a citizen to actually participate in the process by making your opinions clear to those people who make the vote.

  8. Re:maybe, maybe not by Shark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if they don't get what they initially wanted, they'll try another law, and if that doesn't go through, they'll try another law... Until they finally manage to come up with the perfect timing when nobody is paying attention and it goes through.

    That or they'll just declare that it's in effect, they can get away with that more and more these days. It's not like voting them out would change anything.

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  9. The public will not like this by Turzyx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of the people I know are not familiar with the intricacies of today's technology. If they think for one minute they are being monitored, watched and spied upon by anyone, let alone government and telecoms companies, they'll stop internet shopping, social networking and wikipedia surfing immediately (which lets face it, is all most normal people use a PC for nowadays anyway). Just look at how much people kicked off over Facebook wanting to protect people's email inbox after the sender deleted their copy...

    If this even get close to being passed, mainstream media will have a field day, especially given that most UK tabloids despise Europe in its entirety already.

    Perhaps this is a ploy to stimulate high street sales amirite?

  10. Re:maybe, maybe not by V!NCENT · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all the Dutch people here (part of the EU), mail this to the NOS News at nosbinnenland@nos.nl to send your press tips and raise awareness.

    The NOS news has been reporting on censorship last week with that local newspaper... I am sure some of you will remember, so they will express interest in this too.

    Hint at the Australian censorship as to why 'child-porn' blocking went instantly into censorship of Wikileaks and Wikipedia among other legitimate websites. You can alos find that block-list on Wikileaks.

    If more people than just me tip them about it via email then I am sure they will air it tommorow!

    Don't think that some one else will already do that beauce usualy no-one does because they think "ah a lot of people will read this so I don't have to"!

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