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Do We Need Running Shoes To Run?

prostoalex writes to tell us The Daily Mail has an interesting look at current research in the field of running and injuries related to running. Most of the evidence pointed at a lack of any need for running shoes. Some of the more interesting points: the more expensive the running shoes, the greater the probability of getting an injury; some of the planet's best and most intense runners run barefoot; Stanford running team, having access to the top-notch modern shoes sent in for free by manufacturers, after a few rounds of trial and error still chose to train with no shoes at all."

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  1. Football is the same by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting

    'Until 1972, when the modern athletic shoe was invented, people ran in very thin-soled shoes, had strong feet and had a much lower incidence of knee injuries.'

    And football supposedly had a much lower incidence of injuries before the introduction of "pads" (which quickly became an offensive weapon allowing harder hits)

    Of course, this could just be "numbers". Many of the running injuries treated today are repeat injuries. Prior to the invention of the running shoe was also pretty much prior to modern sports medicine, meaning a single injury would have prevented you from running again. Today's numbers may be higher than historical numbers due to the vast number of people who continue running after recovering from surgery to correct their problems.

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    1. Re:Football is the same by midicase · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Today's numbers may be higher than historical numbers due to the vast number of people who continue running after recovering from surgery to correct their problems.

      Sound like the "divorce" statistic that is often quoted: "50% of marriages end up in divorce". the truth is that there are just as many long term marriages as ever, but at one time divorcees did not remarry. Now it is common to remarry and (re)divorce, skewing the statistics.

      Darn repeat offenders.

    2. Re:Football is the same by Comboman · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Sound like the "divorce" statistic that is often quoted: "50% of marriages end up in divorce". the truth is that there are just as many long term marriages as ever, but at one time divorcees did not remarry. Now it is common to remarry and (re)divorce, skewing the statistics.

      That's part of it, but the biggest problem is how the 50% number is generated. It compares the number of people getting divorced to the number of people getting married in a single year. Since most people don't get married and divorced in the same year, the results are skewed. Even worse, most people currently getting divorced are baby boomers; a huge statistical bulge that recently married Gen-Xers can't hope to compensate for (much like social security). According to this report the divorce rate in the US has never been 50% even at it's peak in the 1970's and has been dropping since then.

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  2. My Knees and Hips Disagree by superid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm 46 and I'm a casual runner. For years I had intermittent knee and hip pain during and after a 4-6 mile run. I finally broke down and spent more money ($90-$110) on good quality running shoes. The pain is gone. I can run 6 miles regularly with nothing but plain old muscle pain. I can tell when it is time to buy new shoes too. After a couple of hundred miles and the shoes lose their cushion, I can feel it when I run.

  3. hmm .... by WankersRevenge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've run at least three miles a day. I've run one marathon and I am currently training for another. I've had multiple long runs that have exceeded twenty miles. At one point, I was running at least forty miles a week. I can tell you from my experience is that shoes make a huge difference. Once my shoe starts to go, I'll start to get intense pain in my hips and knees. Changes the shoe, and the pain goes away. It's a form issue in my case which the shoe helps to correct. I'm guessing those people who run barefoot have really good form. Take away my shoes and put me on a flat area without any rocks, I figure I might be able to run a few miles before I'm forced to stop because of knee or hip pain. I'll keep my shoes, thankyouverymuch.

    No joke ... when a new runner starts to experience pain, the quickest remedy to buy new shoes.

  4. Re:Of course we don't need running shoes by Jurily · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The importance of running to early Homo is, of course, conjectural. But it does make sense: few other animals are capable of long-distance running, and none can do so under a blazing sun. (Wolves and hyenas, for example, require cold weather or nightfall for long-distance hunting; otherwise they overheat.) Endurance running might have set early humans apart from the pack.

    According to study co-author and Harvard University anthropologist Daniel Lieberman, many modern anatomical features make sense in the context of savannah marathons. Achilles tendons act as springs to store energy. Our hind limbs have extra-large joints. Our buttocks muscles are perfect for stabilization, as are regions of the brain uniquely sensitive to the physical pitching generated by the motion of running.

    Informative indeed.

  5. Anecdote by jamesh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's an anecdote... if we get another one then we have data :)

    About half way through my first semester at uni, I was getting out of my car and my sneakers fell apart. I took them off, chucked them in the car, and went barefoot for the next 2 years or so (mostly - they don't let you into cinemas etc without shoes on :).

    My feet got really tough, 40C days walking on hot tarmac didn't bother me (unless I stood still for too long). I never got stung by a bee, never had any major injuries. I would only notice small pieces of glass stuck in my foot by the noise they made on concrete when I stepped :)

    I did quite a bit of walking too, 5km each way too and from uni when my car wasn't going, which was often.

    Then the first joint on my big toe started hurting on one foot. A day or so later, the other big toe started hurting in the same way. It was like an ache that shot up each leg every time I took a step. I put some shoes on (workboots) and the pain went instantly. I didn't go barefoot for a few weeks, but the next time I tried both feet were aching within hours. Haven't gone barefoot since.

    Now that was about 12 years ago so I may have some of the facts muddled up, but obviously going barefoot just wasn't for me. I didn't really do any running so it's not completely relevant to the topic, but I can't imagine that running would have been any kinder to my feet than walking.

    Maybe shoes mimic the sort of ground that humans evolved around, vs the rock hard tarmac and concrete that I was doing most of my walking on?

  6. Benefits... and glass shards by wdebruij · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There has been some research (reg.req.) on the benefits of barefoot running. BUt, the article also mentions having to pull glass from your foot... I've tried running barefoot once, on the beach, but wouldn't dare doing it on my standard run through the city. Does anyone here have any experience with the ultra thin Five Fingers running shoes (basically protective gloves around your feet)? Sure, you look like a dick -- almost as bad as Crocs -- but they appear a great alternative.

  7. There Are At Least Two Sides (offtopic, again) by Velska1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First of all, when our first child was around the age where she started learning to walk, a nurse told us we should not make her wear shoes, at least not regularly. If a kid has shoes on while learning to walk, that can cause serious imbalances in muscle/ligature/bone buildup, leading to damage in them. This was just something the nurse had reasoned out based on other experience about things that are natural.

    Add to that the fact that industrial manufacturing can hardly adjust for individual differences. Even the best shoes, if industrially manufactured, are not made to measure. Expensive is just fashionable - but sloppily designed - as often as high quality.

    Our muscles were designed to work, to move - however that design came about. From a certain point of view, a law of physics can be considered a design. Randomness also. Let's just try to learn as many as we can about them without inferring things that are not necessarily even related.

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    1. Re:There Are At Least Two Sides (offtopic, again) by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a long-distance runner, I like real track shoes, that is the ones that are designed to be "the less shoe, the better". All I need is a buffer between me and the ground and I'm good, although I grant that a decent running surface and some healthy callouses obviate the need. As a sidenote, track shoes with spikes add traction, but the friction generated as a result creates some impressive - not to mention, distracting - heat.

      The most important consideration for me when choosing a shoe is that it's light-weight and snug. The only truly bad shoe is one that's worn out, and the true enemies, old socks, are even worse.

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  8. Re:Of course we don't need running shoes by drerwk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did not get much from the link. But I met a guy once who hunted elk by walking them to death. It took he said about three days; an not much running. The the elk would be too exhausted to get up and he would kill it with a knife.

  9. Re:Of course we don't need running shoes by Reziac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wear moccasins for a while, with just that one thin layer of leather between you and the rocks. You'll soon learn to ALWAYS come down toes first, and NEVER come down on the heel -- because you can't recover from stepping on a sharp rock if you do so heel-first (all your weight lands on it, willy-nilly). But if you come down toe-first, you can change your balance and step off that sharp rock instead.

    By now they're pretty much all gone from the world, but decades ago I knew American Indians who grew up in the era before their tribes had European-style hard-soled shoes, and from childhood habit, they always walked toe-heel rather than heel-toe.

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