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The Circus Widens In Aftermath of Pirate Bay Verdict

MaulerOfEmotards sends along an in-depth followup, from the Swedish press, of our discussion the other day about the biased trial judge in the Pirate Bay case. "The turmoil concerns Tomas Norström, the presiding judge of The Pirate Bay trial, who is suspected of bias after reports surfaced of affiliation with copyright protection organizations. For this he has been reported to the appeals court (in Swedish; translation here). The circus around the judge is currently focused on three points. First, his personal affiliation with at least four copyright protection organizations, a state the potential bias of which he himself fails to see and refuses to admit. Secondly, Swedish trials use a system of several lay assessors to supervise the presiding judge. One of these, a member of an artists' interest organization, was forced by Mr. Norström to resign from the trial for potential bias. The judge's failure to see the obvious contradiction in this (translation) casts doubts on his suitability and competence. Thirdly, according to professor of judicial sociology Håkan Hydén (translation), the judge has inappropriately 'duped and influenced the lay assessors' during the trial: 'a judge that has decided that "this is something we can't allow" has little problem finding legal arguments that are difficult for assisting lay assessors to counter.'" Click the link below to read further on Professor Hydén's enumeration of "at least three strange things in a strange trial." On a related note, reader Siker adds the factoid that membership in the Pirate Party exploded 150% in the week following the verdict. The Pirate Party now surpasses in size four smaller parties in Sweden, and is closing in on a fifth. Political fallout could ensue as soon as June, when an election for EU parliament will be held.
Professor Hydén continues with enumerating "at least three strange things in a strange trial" (translation): First, that someone can be sentenced for being accessory to a crime for which there is no main culprit: "This assumes someone else having committed the crime, and no such individual exists here... the system cannot charge the real culprits or it would collapse in its entirety." It is unprecedented in Swedish judicial history to sentence only an accessory. Second, that the accessories should pay the fine for a crime committed by the main culprits, "which causes the law to contradict itself." And third, that accessories cannot be sentenced to harsher than the main culprit, which means that every downloader must be sentenced to a year's confinement. Prof. Hydén sums up by saying that to allow this kind of judgement the Swedish Parliament must first pass a bill making this kind of services illegal, which it has not done.

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  1. All aboard mateys!!! by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Arghh!!!

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  2. Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by Idiot+with+a+gun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cause political chaos by throwing sudden, and massive support behind a new political party. Wish Americans were capable of picking some other party aside from Republicans or Democrats.

    1. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The one party pretending to be two have the people sufficiently duped. I think that wrestler turned politician, Jesse Ventura, said it exactly right when he said politics is a tremendous show and it's all fake. In so called "professional wrestling" people do actually get hurt and do actually die, but when they aren't in front of a camera, they are all going out to dinners with one another, playing golf, visiting each other's homes, having parties and the like. They are NOT bitter enemies. Republicrats are the same way. They may actually get indicted and prosecuted and even convicted of various things in and around party politics, but at the end of the day, they're all good ole boys and socialize and play together in their elite circles.

    2. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by Sorcha+Payne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Their political system is fundamentally different from the one in the US, because it allows smaller parties to flourish. Fringe parties with say less than 10% of the vote actually get some representation, unlike in the US where the best they can do is screw one of the two parties.

    3. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by mrmeval · · Score: 5, Informative

      Many many laws are on the books that forbid or seriously cripple third parties. There are some areas a third party CAN NOT GET ON THE BALLOT BY LAW.

      Ask the Libertarian party (not to be confused with libertarians) how hard it is to get on the national ballot. They cannot get on some local ballots, in some cases not even as write-in candidates.

      Both the Repulsocrats and Demicrats were more than willing for that legislation to happen. The only thing allowed has been usurpation of a party which the neo-cons did to the Reps and the socialists did to the Demis.

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    4. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by migla · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Wish Americans were capable of picking some other party aside from Republicans or Democrats."

      In Sweden there's a 4 % threshold for "Riksdagen", the parliament, which probably makes it easier to succeed with a new party, compared to the system in the USA.

      IMO, One thing that the US should perhaps do is to have 2 rounds, like they do in Finland, when electing a president. If no candidate gets > 50% in the first round, the top 2 advance to the second round. This way you could vote for what you really want in the first round and one day an outsider might stand the slightest chance.

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    5. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by aynoknman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The one party pretending to be two have the people sufficiently duped. I think that wrestler turned politician, Jesse Ventura, said it exactly right when he said politics is a tremendous show and it's all fake.

      Piet Hein said it poetically:
      Relativity: A grook with no reference whatever to the two-party system

      To wear a shirt that's relatively clean,
      You needn't ever launder off the dirt
      If you possess two shirts to choose between
      and always change into the cleaner shirt.
      -- Piet Hein

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    6. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Even within a party sometimes. The post-election political embrace between Hillary Clinton and Obama was so rapid, I'm not sure whether to congratulate them for burying the hatchet and getting on with the nation's business, or instead question all that heated rhetoric and emotion they displayed (OK, especially her) during the election? It makes it seem like political theatre rather than genuine, substantive ideological debate.

      PS sending some Bush officials to jail for torture would be an effective counter-argument to the allegation of single-party rule, would it not? As it is, I am really starting to question whether the Nuremberg trials were just "victor's justice." (Oops, Godwin alert! But relevant IMHO). It's so much easier to see the mote in the other guy's eye, Jesus had that one right.

    7. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by abolitiontheory · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...at the end of the day, they're all good ole boys and socialize and play together in their elite circles.

      But also not. While the idea of America's two parties functionally being one big family is novel and intriguing, there are true separations. In the south they really drink sweet tea and own guns and have less (or different) money and go to church a lot. In the north they live in high rises and go to the opera and drive luxury cars and complain about global warming.

      My point is this: I have had dinner with both liberals and republicals so blinded by ideology that had they met a (one-sided) gun fight would have surely insued. The only thing which makes this situation hilarious and tragic is how little significant space actually separates their views, thereby making their ardor hallow and frightening.

      Your comment does raise an interesting point for me, however, having lived near Washington D.C. almost my entire life. I wonder if the artificiality of that town, removed from the country and from the areas where which the elected officials supposedly 'represent' is sufficiently homogenous to truly turn the majority of politics into friends behind the guise of opposition. Maybe them, like us, are just happy to have jobs and to get paid for doing relatively little... essentially for looking busy.

      We all appreciate the ability to get up in arms over nothing. Ardently defending your favorite linux distro or computing platform is a cathartic experience of fervor without something actually crucial to survival being on the line. Perhaps America, so instantiated in its history of wealth and domination, has no reason for actual party creation, affiliation, or division, because nothing has sufficiently rocked the boat so as to leave us concerned to the point of change.

      We're all pretty confident things will recover, one way or another, under the blundering of either blue or red. In this sense, we all believe in one party, the green party, and its simply a matter of whichever other color seems to be most affiliated with that one at the moment that we vote for.

    8. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by abolitiontheory · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The name Pirate Party especially intrigues me. The reason is this: movements in history often end up very far from where they start. Imagine in 100 years, when history has stripped the original reason for the naming of the 'Pirate Party' from social memory, as a father explains to his son why the majority party of their country is named after ancient sea-robbers. Already the term pirate has been shifted and reassigned once. What if some day the just majority of a society is known as pirates? Shifts in ideology produce interesting etymological histories.

    9. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are NOT bitter enemies. Republicrats are the same way.

      An irony is that while the politicians get along pretty well, the rank-and-file citizenry of the Democrat and Republican parties in the US are practically at each others' throats, in no small part because they've been goaded there by fringe groups and media personalities.

    10. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by upside · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apart from the outrageous examples you mention, it's really because you don't have proportional representation but a "first past the post" electoral system. When only one candidate from a constituency gets elected smaller parties have no real chance.

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    11. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by SnarfQuest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cause political chaos by throwing sudden, and massive support behind a new political party. Wish Americans were capable of picking some other party aside from Republicans or Democrats.

      Both the Republican and the Democrat parties are Pirates. They both want all my money, and go to extreme measures to get it.

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    12. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm a passionate believer in copyright, in fact my livliehood depends upon it, and yet I'm not politically dense enough to vote based purely on a parties stance on copying music.

      And if you think it's the only case the Pirate Party has an opinion on, you're mistaken. Granted, they all revolve around the same theme but:

      FRA law: Military intelligence permitted to snoop on all traffic passing the Swedish border, which includes tons of domestic communication. Possible police access too.
      IPRED law: ISPs forced to hand our subscriber details to private companies, where ont even the police can get access to the same data.
      IPRED2 law: More of the same.
      EU-US ACTA trade agreements: Includes riders for more invasive searches by customs and other nasty stuff
      EU Telecom directive: Forced storing of traffic data, the French want a "guilty until proven innocent, three strikes and you're cut off" law.
      EU Copyright extension: Want to increase from 50 to 95 years, now they want to "compromise" on 70 years.
      EU Letter RFID tagging initiative: More tracking of where, if not who you're communicating with.

      Of course the TPB case is the big driver, and they're all in the copyright/privacy/due process sphere so it's not by any means a full politic. But honestly, a 4% party doesn't rule the country. Take for example the Greens, you know they'll bend over in pretty much every other area as long as they score some big wins on environmental issues. The rest of the time they'll be pushing coalition politics because the 30% party needs wins in many areas. That's where the Pirate Party is too, being a little more honest about it. Plus, it'd make no sense for the Pirate Party to declare sides unless someone would agree to cooperate, if they went with a socialist politics then after the election the other parties could say "Well thanks, you're now committed to voting our way but we'll completely ignore your proposals so you'll have no influence whatsoever". How is that wise?

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    13. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by vivaelamor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      An easy position to take if you are content with the political status quo on a subject.

      There is always a 'more vital' political issue to consider. The fact is that change often rides the tide of events such as the pirate bay trial. If people want a change to how things work then now is the time to do it. Don't forget how much lobbying the music industry has done to get us where we are today; should we let them screw us over culturally and financially just because the issue isn't about starving people?

      Economics, foreign policy, social policy, tax, education and healthcare are deep rooted issues. Why is it a bad idea to tackle an issue such as copyright while it is at it's most vulnerable? I'd rather see it sorted today while it is an issue of a few crying artists than tomorrow when it is a deep rooted intellectual tax.

      Perhaps what is most bizarre about your attitude though is the clash it causes with most arguments I hear from pro-copyright people of the 'right way' to make a change. I wonder what you would have them do to get the issue debated, maybe you expect them to lobby the politicians like the media companies did and screw democracy altogether.

    14. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by Xtravar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Libertarians have a hard time bowing to authority and being labeled.

      So a lot of them feel it necessary to rebel against the Libertarian Party, only dooming every libertarian to even further political insignificance.

      Hence, every libertarian (one who subscribes to libertarian ideals) is not a Libertarian (one who subscribes to libertarian ideals and belongs to the Libertarian Party). Yawn.

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    15. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by the_one(2) · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I honestly believe that the Internet is one of, if not the, greatest inventions ever. That's why I think defending it is more important than if the tax goes up or down 2%

    16. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let me be the devil's advocate here (or the optimist ;-)

      "The Pirate Party now surpasses in size four smaller parties in Sweden, and is closing in on a fifth." That's one way to put it. Another is that the pirate party is now the fourth party in Sweden by member count. It's bigger than two of the four parties in the ruling coalition. And a this rate it will be third by the end of next week.

      Should this translate into actual votes during the next election (a *big* if), it would be extremely difficult to form any coalition, unless the two main parties decide to go for the kind of "anything but them" coalition that's usually reserved for the far right. You can bet every party in Sweden is watching this extremely closely; this is the kind of scenario that keeps politicians awake at night.

      Another reason why they're watching it is that politicos in the western world have long despaired to get the young adult vote. Methink they know where to get it now.

      As for the "important issue", well, yes, it's not Really Important. That's exactly how we got into the current life+70 years cr*p. The thing is it never was important because the people didn't care, and they didn't because they had to buy the LP, book, VHS or CD anyway, and nobody cared if the copyright tax was 1% or 50%. Now the question is between okay, or no internet, big fine, or jail. So they do. Watch this space.

    17. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by iJusten · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most European countries are ruled by coalitions. Apart of Italy, they tend to be pretty stable and last at least the four years till the next election.

      The party that wins the election tries to find a party that makes it the majority in the parliament. To find such a partner, it has to make concessions and to promise not to go on ideological overdrive. The pressure to rule wisely doesn't come only from outside from the public and the lobbying interest groups, but also from inside the government itself.

      I tend to think this is fairly wise way to rule a country. Sure, you can't make fast moves like you can in America, but on the other hand, the changes that happen are well thought out and not apt to be reversed after the next election. The instability of the cabinet brings, maybe contradictionary, stability to the country as a whole.

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    18. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FPTP tends to produce a two-party system, but these parties have a strong incentive to cluster around where the true compromise position is likely to be

      You mean a strong incentive to cluster around where the money is likely to be.

      The really outstanding part of FPTP is it's really cheap to buy the appropriate representation; it's not like a purchased candidate is going to be replaced with an unpurchased one. You can afford them all.

      Political compromise positions in two party systems do not have to fall anywhere near the voters actual compromise positions; fptp politics, even beside the ease of exerting pressure, simply cannot accurately represent a multidimensional political landscape.

      The system can sometimes be unfair, especially to people with more unusual views

      Oh, please. With the high level of disenfranchisement, the majority position of the US congress is achieved at vote representing somewhere between 20-25 percent of eligible voters. That itself is equivalent with the level of support some far left socialist or libertarians get in some countries with proportional representation.

      However it is because their views are unlikely to form part of the consensus position

      Their views on what? There are certainly many issues where libertarians would join some republicans in forming a consensus on economics. And they'd form a consensus with some democrats on other issues. Adding more dimensions does not mean you get a consensus further from the voters, it means it gets harder for politicians to ignore their voters and quid-pro-quo bargain away issues as they like, as there are other options to vote for.

    19. Re:Seems like the Swedish know what to do. by MostAwesomeDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm a musician and programmer by trade, but I'm not naive enough to think that copyright will forever ensure my income.

      You want my code? Take it. Most of it's free, and that which isn't is still put into freeware.

      You want my music? Take it. It's on my website. Free to download, as long as you follow a CC-BY-SA-NC. I only charge for performances, and permit bootlegs.

      Culture is meant to be shared.

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  3. What is their to debate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Had the judge been an active member of the Swedish Pirate Party, worked closely with the defendants in the past, not disclosed it and handed a not guilty verdict, you can be sure the *AAs would of been all over it like flies on a pile. Mistrial, end of story.

  4. Re:Not forced resignation by jimshatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is that more probable than the proposition? What are you basing your claim on?

  5. If the Pirate Party really has that many people... by skine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the Pirate Party really has that many people, and every downloader must be sentenced to at least a year's confinement, then everybody should turn themselves in and overcrowd the jails.

  6. Because it must be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to make this judge walk the plank!

  7. Re:If the Pirate Party really has that many people by KarolisP · · Score: 5, Funny

    so like... slashdotting the jail eh? :)

  8. Let me restate that sentiment by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Funny

    with a little act of solidarity with the Pirate Bay (assisting in the dissemination of copyright infringing material) whilst simultaneously making a wry comment on the dastardly Copyright Cartels and all their nefarious shennanigans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvP0uwl3Q6A

    (perhaps their new theme tune?)

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  9. Re:Slashdot by the_womble · · Score: 5, Interesting

    RTFA. The judge is a member (actually a director in at least one case) of organisations that are lobbying to change the law, to make what Pirate Bay did illegal.

    Pirate Bay's lawyer's argue that what they did was not illegal. Is the judge, who is committed to making sure it is illegal, the best person to apply the law impartially?

  10. Re:So what? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The judge is a member of copyright organizations. So? Isn't copyright the law? Knowing copyright law is probably why he's on the case.

    I'm not 'pro-piracy', although to say I'm 'anti-big media' would probably be fair. That said, copyright is not a single ideal and there are plenty of opinions on it's implementation. The groups that the judge is a member of take a view that the law should be changed to make copyright stricter - surely that presents a conflict of interests when dealing with a case that tests the limits of copyright law in the opposite direction?

  11. Re:So what? by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As mentioned in other stories this past week, the judge was a member of some groups that have agendas, and is in a leadership position for two of them I believe. I think at least one group is, like you say, simply a means of staying on top of current issues and being aware of the law, but that is not the case for all the groups he belongs to. I'm not pro-piracy, but I'd rather the pirates win than have these big companies keep extending control over our governments.

  12. Re:So what? by infalliable · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is an obvious conflict of interest when you are presiding over a case and are a member of an organization that sides strongly with one of the parties in the case.

    It is generally okay to be biased toward one side due to internal beliefs. Most people do tend toward one side in contentious issues, but to openly run around and say it or promote one side (via membership in pro- organizations) is inappropriate.

  13. Re:Slashdot by NormalVisual · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keeping works from the public domain by means of effectively infinite copyright terms is more disgusting. It's also "stealing" in the literal sense of the word, without having to twist its meaning to jive with a political agenda like the pro-copyright lobby likes to do, and is a violation of the social contract that is the sole reason copyright exists in the first place.

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  14. Re:Slashdot by abolitiontheory · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. This judge is essentially speeding in order to change the speed limit. Instead of judging by the current laws and waiting for the legislature to change the laws which he can enforce, he is taking matters into his own hands and changing the law himself by stretching the law to cover the situation in the way he feels it should.

    The question is: is this or isn't this simply what judges do they administer verdicts? Isn't just always inherently interpretive? Is judgment a referential or creative act?

  15. Re:So what? by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Frankly, I'm not sure why Slashdot has become so pro-piracy in the last few years, especially when Slashdot in its past has gone after other sites for copying its content--due to "copyright infringement."

    On the one side: Copyright infringers.
    On the other side: Those who want to lock down personal computers and the internet, spy on same, lock down anything else which can reproduce sound or video, implement a pay-per-use system for everything, shut down DVD rental services, eliminate fair use, use lawyers to bully people (whether culpable or not), increase copyright terms to infinity less one day, etc.

    Which side would you expect slashdotters to be on? You can argue there's a middle ground, but for various reasons I think there really isn't, and in any case is it really surprising getting binary thinking from a computer geek site?

  16. Re:Slashdot by vivaelamor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nobody cares about the "Pirate Party." It's just a bunch of morons who signed up online out of spite and probably will never be heard from again.

    Uh, considering your whole post was as bad as this, I'm just surprised it didn't stay modded down.

    Perhaps if you at least left out all the name-calling?

  17. Re:Slashdot by lacoronus · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was also hosting the torrent tracker server that tracks the file chunks users were trading with each other. They offer the torrents, and they offer the server connecting the users

    Neither of which are illegal under Swedish law. Under Swedish law, the ONLY people breaking the law are those downloading and uploading the pirated content.

    ...and those assisting them - "främjar en gärning med råd eller dåd" (for our English readers "furthers an act with advice or deed").

    Which is what TPB got done for.

  18. Re:Slashdot by ZarathustraDK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You never think about the people you're ripping off--the musicians, software developers, screenwriters, and so on.

    Horse-carriages and automobiles my friend.

    Musicians: If I can't copy their music, then neither can they. Do gigs and performances like real musicians do. There's no law that says you, as a musician, are entitled to income. It's an art, if your art sucks, if people don't like you enough to buy your cd's, you don't get paid, and you don't get to whine about it.

    Software-developers: You produce tools that people use to create value. Tools that can be magically copied with no effort. If you want to make money on it, do it by implementing the tools you have created (being the creator gives you a fair head-start in this). Would you have a problem giving away hammers to people for free if you could replicate an original (which you made yourself) ad infinitum?

    Screenwriters: Adjust your expectations. Just because your output-volume has risened does not mean the individuals demand will too. In every other field people know what they're buying before they buy it. Don't jump at people for wanting to know whether your work is quality or insipid trash before they decide to buy (or not buy) your product. A recent survey has shown that people who pirate movies are ten times more likely to buy movies than people who don't pirate. Don't whine if you fail.

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  19. The Ninja Party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In 100 years, things will have settled into a two-party system.

  20. Re:Torture still exists. nothing has changed by FailedTheTuringTest · · Score: 4, Informative

    And as far as skipping a night's sleep or a few meals goes, that's nowhere near the scale when used as torture. They don't equate. How often have you gone five days without sleep, or without food? Let us all know next week how easy it was to do.

    It's well beyond that. Voluntary all-nighters involve you being in control (knowing that you could take a nap if you wanted to), eating when you want to, sitting comfortably, listening to your favourite music, drinking coffee so that you don't *want* to sleep, and perhaps most importantly, having something active to do that you are concentrating on. Sleep deprivation as an interrogation technique involves being prevented from sleep for days on end by hostile people who are shouting at you, threatening you, blasting headache-inducing noise and bright lights at you, making you move around, and ensuring that you have nothing to do or think about to take your mind off of an eternal present moment, so that in the end you are so fatigued that your willpower is destroyed. (Whether a person in that state can coherently remember and describe any useful information is another question.)