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Researchers Make Paper Speakers For LCD TVs

narramissic writes "Engineers at Taiwan's Industrial Technology Research Institute (ITRI) have developed stereo speakers in paper (video) that are are well suited for thin devices like LCD TVs and will be used in cars starting next year. According to an ITworld article, 'The special paper is made by sandwiching thin electrodes that receive audio signals and a prepolarized diaphragm into the paper structure. A special Flexpeaker adapter between the MP3 player and the speaker is used to play music through the paper.' ITRI says it hopes in the coming year to develop a chip that will do away with the adapter and allow people to plug a digital music player directly into the speaker. ITRI is also working on wireless technologies and will show off its first Bluetooth enabled paper speaker in July."

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  1. Paper? by oldspewey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hasn't paper been the primary material in speaker design since, well, since speakers?

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    1. Re:Paper? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      I usually listen to mine, but each to his own.

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    2. Re:Paper? by APL+bigot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Flat paper speakers. Yawn. This is old news decades ago. You can do this in your living room. I did decades ago. Interleave aluminum foil and the pages of a newspaper. Your making a capacitor. Connect the separate sheets of aluminum to the final audio amplifier in a tube amplifier. One connection to ground, the other to the anode of the final amplifier tube. And yes, there be high voltage here. You now have a talking newspaper. Slashdot is supposed to be a nerd site, why are the vast majority here unaware of this?

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    3. Re:Paper? by SkyDude · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can do this in your living room. I did decades ago. Interleave aluminum foil and the pages of a newspaper.

      Newspaper? What's that?

      I'm guessing if one were to use the New York Times, only the left speaker would work. If using the Boston Globe, the speakers would only work when there's a discussion of gay marriage. And, if the speakers were made from the Chicago Trib - well, it wouldn't work at all.

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  2. But are they MONSTER Paper Speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    MONSTER Paper Speakers are made with the finest trees in the world. You won't hear better sound than from their fine pieces of papyrus.

    1. Re:But are they MONSTER Paper Speakers? by MadnessASAP · · Score: 3, Informative

      Monster does the most ridiculous things to try to get money from unsuspecting customers. My favorite was $150 for 6' of Fiber Optic used for Digital audio. I'm no expert but I bet I could get an undersea data cable for less per foot then that. The really insane part was that since it's a digital signal and it was over such short distances you could use a cheap piece of plastic and get the exact same result.

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  3. So... by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've been making paper speakers for a long time. This seems to be a driverless paper speaker, which apparently is a big deal. I guess technically the prepolarized diaphragm *is* the driver, but it isn't your standard cone / cylinder shape.

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can the vast majority of stay-at-home moms (not that that isn't an honorable profession - its one of the most honorable) tell the difference? No? Okay then, good luck with that.

      The market for the vast majority of sound equipment is for people who don't know a thing about sound and can't tell the difference between poor sound and quality sound. Until the market gets smarter you will continue to see the cheapest shit mass-produced for the cheap masses. And markets rarely get smarter on their own.

    2. Re:So... by Burning1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In my experience, the issue isn't that most people can't recognize the difference between good sound and bad sound; the issue is that most people have never even heard good sound to begin with.

      Sure... We go to the theater and hear *loud* sound, and then get it into our heads that a base line capable of collapsing a lung means the equipment is of good quality.

      Frankly, these days even if you have good equipment, the source material is so bad that you can't actually tell.

    3. Re:So... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      here's a 440 Hz test tone

      A sound system incapable of reproducing that sound isn't even close to Hi-Fi.

  4. Greeting cards... by dirkbaztard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    would benefit greatly from this. Full stereo cacophony instead of the over-driven mono racket would be a blessing.

    1. Re:Greeting cards... by DanWS6 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even better: banning greeting cards and the holidays that were created for them.

    2. Re:Greeting cards... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Still better: evolving into a vertebrate, which is to say, growing a fucking spine. Don't want to participate in the holidays? Don't. It's pretty easy to opt-out of most of it. You can work on the holiday and get paid for it if you like, most employers are pretty happy to permit that one. I don't find it particularly holy to buy shit either.

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  5. This is what they are selling by Krneki · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think this is what the story refers to:

    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/03/researchers-cre

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    1. Re:This is what they are selling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Same principle but different product, judging by the pictures.

  6. Dear lord, this is horrible... by Chyeld · · Score: 5, Funny

    The goal for the researchers is to be able to mass produce standard poster-size speakers (A2, or 60centimeters by 44cm) costing just US$20 each. Movie makers could then put out posters with soundtrack music or movie highlights emanating from them as people walk by.

    Kill me now, please. Just kill me now.

    You thought those talking birthday cards were annoying? Just try walking in the mall as all 100,000 posters located in random locations start talking all at once, producing the noise which finally wakens those who must not be named and end reality as we believed it to be.

    1. Re:Dear lord, this is horrible... by Plekto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or imagine shopping and they have these hooked up to IR sensors.

      "Check out this deal on Bug Light! (starts playing radio commercial)"

      Yes, it is horrible. Moreso than most people can imagine.

  7. It could be by treeves · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it's a great idea ON PAPER, but...

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  8. Piezo-electric by CrAlt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric

    So they rediscovered the reverse piezoelectric effect and then glued it to some paper.

    Wow, I guess the 50 year old earphones on my crystal radio are cutting edge...

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  9. Re:Electrostatic by earlymon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Magnaplanars were a diaphragm with an embedded serpentine wire conducting the AC audio signal. The diaphragm was sandwiched between permanent magnets that ran vertically, floor to ceiling. Looking at the diaphragm was not unlike looking at a long continuous paper clip. The permanent magnets were long and thin (about a 1/2" cross-section).

    Many people mistook them for electrostatics.

    With an electrostatic (the first speaker designed by AT&T, ever, using a pig's diaphragm and gold plating), the diaphragm is coated with a conductive material, then stretched between two metal plates. In the set I have, a 75 kV bias is applied to the diaphragm and the AC audio signal is routed to the front/rear metal plates.

    Then, there's the ESS Heil HF driver. That used metalized paper, with the metalization stripped away in a serpentine pattern, then given an accordion fold, then immersed in a high magnetic field (big permanent magnets!) and the AC audio went through the fold, and sound was produced in accordion fashion.

    Then, there was the Ohm-F HF driver - a metal-foil cone attached to a normal moving coil transducer.

    Because of their exotic designs and shapes, many people confused these others with electrostatics - but electrostatic refers to one and only one technology.

    The tech in the article seems to be something altogether new, and I'm looking forward to its advance.

    That being said, remember - you cannot cheat the laws of physics. When the diaphragm moves forward, creating an over-pressure, the rear side is creating a canceling under-pressure. (Every action having an equal and opposite reaction sort of thing.) With conventional speakers, the "opposite" wave is trapped or mitigated inside an enclosure and does not enter the room to cause cancellation.

    With a large diaphragm, you almost need an enclosure in back the size of the room. Impractical in the extreme, these are simply made and marketed as flat panel diaphragms and the rest of the speaker-room response is left to the owner.

    But every Magnaplanar and electrostatic speaker owner will tell you - the worst sounding rig you can get are bi-directional planar speakers crammed up against a wall. Why? Action- reaction: that rear wave's cancellation is a function of distance to rear reflective surface and rear reflective surface acoustic properties.

    So, no, until they re-write some physical laws, a paper poster on a wall producing hi-fi is not in the near future.

    That said - I guarantee if it's viable in a marketing study, some idiot will make them and people will buy them to put along-side their wall-mounted TVs.

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  10. Re:stereo? is it really stereo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What would be cool is....

    There are thousands of tiny diaphragms on that paper.

    If they can address them individually then they have a wavefront capable speaker.

    You can do things with wavefront reproducing speaker systems that make 7.1 seem like a child's toy.

    It's a little like the difference between holography and normal photography.