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FEMA Removes 9/11 Coloring Book For Children From Website

FEMA has decided to pull a children's coloring book entitled, "A Scary Thing Happened" from their website. The coloring book contained three images of the twin towers on fire for children to color. Rose Olmsted, the coordinator behind the book said, "I stand firm that it was a very well thought-out and useful resource for kids, but it's obviously being misinterpreted by a lot of people." Since people are so upset about the coloring book, I can only assume FEMA's plan for a human remains concentration game will be put on hold.

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  1. Wrong move by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Censorship is a bigger danger to the American Public than any FEMA publication.

    1. Re:Wrong move by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I certainly cry whenever I see a citizen or agency decide not to publish something based on negative public reaction and publicity.

      Wait, what do you mean that's not censorship?

    2. Re:Wrong move by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, public pressure is a very frequent mechanism used for censorship.

    3. Re:Wrong move by skiflyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A decision by a government agency to stop selling a book that upset some people.

      Censorship would be if FEMA removed the book from their website, and then told the publisher to stop publishing it.

      Extreme cases would then involve removing it from book stores, schools and homes... but that wouldn't be necessary. FEMA taking it off its own website though, not censorship. I don't link to slashdot on my home page, am I guilty of censorship against slashdot?

    4. Re:Wrong move by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would call it "Not choosing to put the book on the FEMA site." Guess what, I chose not to put it on my website either. Am I a censor?

      There is a HUGE difference between 'government not using its resources to publish your creation' and 'government banning your creation.'

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    5. Re:Wrong move by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't link to slashdot on my home page, am I guilty of censorship against slashdot?

      If you've never linked to slashdot from your homepage, you're OK. However if you have a link on there and later decide, "You know, that link is unnecessary and silly," and remove it - You've just self-censored. God help you if somebody else sends you an e-mail saying that the link is pointless and that you should take it down - Then if you do what they suggest, you have an obligation to fight censorship by leaving it up.

      In case the sarcasm isn't coming across through the post, I agree with you - This is not censorship. And associating it with censorship waters down valid arguments against censorship. The government putting out a publication that the tax-payers largely object to would not be some strike for free speech, it would be misallocated government spending.

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    6. Re:Wrong move by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What prejudices and biases are you talking about? What does a Penny Arcade comic about punctuation and flaming fan-boys have to do with the summary? I just don't understand what you are referring to at all.

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    7. Re:Wrong move by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you reading the same summary I am? Because I do not see:

      1. Anything framing a rejection of an idea.
      2. Any claims about lack of bigotry or certifications of opinion holding.
      3. A stupid statement that completely invalidates a position or confirms bigotry.

      Could you point out examples of what you are talking about? I'm still utterly at a loss, trying to figure out what you see that I don't see.

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    8. Re:Wrong move by kevingolding2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That may be, but there's still no censorship going on here.

      This is a clear case of self-censorship.

  2. Wrong decision by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But given the level of ignorance and PCness in this country, not at all surprising. Games and coloring books are two ways kids learn, remember and process things. I recall growing up with coloring books that depicted, for instance, the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Nazis, etc. It didn't turn me into a hateful monster or give me terrible dreams; it helped me learn, remember and understand. I've talked to several friends about this (I have friends across most spectrums you can come up with) and they reached the same conclusion.

    We've become absurdly over-sensitive as a nation.

    1. Re:Wrong decision by rotide · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I totally agree with your conclusion. We're entirely over-sensitive, especially in the U.S.

      However, I have issues with the coloring book and I'm mostly glad it was removed.

      In my opinion, 9/11 is still a very large and very sore subject for many people. I believe the little fly-by stunt the government pulled this week proves that. However, that's not the direct reason I think the book was "off color" (forgive the pun).

      I was speaking with my girlfriend and we're in agreement. Children, especially children that are at the age where coloring books are a learning aid really don't need to be exposed to the details of 9/11. Frankly, most children barely understand that different people live in different parts of the world. The U.S. is a big enough place with enough demographics to keep a kids mind chugging out questions for quite some time.

      Children coloring in planes flying and blowing up into buildings won't mean squat to them. The word "Terrorist" is basically just another word for "bad" or "stranger". The meaning of what happened and what it means is entirely lost on a child.

      Think of it this way, I can't see explaining to a child (of coloring book age) what really happened on 9/11. What is a coloring book really going to teach them then?

      I don't know, rambling a bit here, but I just don't see the point in coloring in 9/11 imagery. If you want children to learn about 9/11, show them news footage and witness accounts. Then teach about the politics and religions that led up to the event and what happened afterwards (in response to and the just because's). But kids of that age, again, really aren't ready (as a whole) to be told, let alone understand, what really happened.

      Regardless of what you may think, Wars, Nazis, 9/11, etc, just simply aren't coloring book material. Lets keep kids coloring books to Spongebob and Animals. When they are old enough to understand and respect what happened, then they can be exposed.

      All this is of course from a schooling perspective. If you want to teach your kids about the realities of the world at home at whatever age you choose, please feel free!

    2. Re:Wrong decision by coaxial · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was speaking with my girlfriend and we're in agreement. Children, especially children that are at the age where coloring books are a learning aid really don't need to be exposed to the details of 9/11.

      Somehow I really doubt that details beyond: "New York", "World Trade Center Towers", "Airplanes", "Fire", and "Collapse" were involved. If you think honestly think that these details are too much, then you and your girlfriend are seriously underestimating that children understand the very very basics of the events that happened, and this helps them work through those basics. Did you honestly think that this was going to have a page where some Saudi slits the throat of a stewardess with a box cutter while shouting "Allah Ackbar!" ("I'm going to make the fountain of blood green! Yay!"), or people holding hands while jumping from the 87th floor to their death? ("They're going to land on a rainbow car! Yay!")

      You never saw the book. You are not a child psychologist. You have no idea what you're talking about.

      Personally, I think the reason why this book was removed was because it's been eight damn years. It served its purpose while no one noticed. People have moved on, so there's no point in keeping it up. Next up: Finding a PDF that informs us that "This Thursday, March 23, 2003 the DHS cafeteria is serving Sloppy Joes."

  3. Remove all 9/11 images by slashkitty · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Is what the government is saying. Please forget this ever happened.

    It's like trying to take guns and cannons out of civil war coloring books.

    It happened and it's history. People need to know the truth.

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    1. Re:Remove all 9/11 images by rts008 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is what the government is saying. Please forget this ever happened.

      DHS, Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, TSA, color-coded 'Terrorists Might Get Us Today' alert levels, Boston freaking out over L.E.D.'s, troops in Afghanistan, troops in Iraq, 'No Fly' lists, etc...

      I think that genie is irrevocably out of the bottle, but it would still not surprise me if you were correct.

      It happened and it's history. People need to know the truth./quote
      And remember it to avoid the same mistakes.(we seem to be having trouble with this one)

      Just remember kiddies, when you stick your head in the sand, it puts your butt up in the air for easy access...have plenty of lube ready.

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    2. Re:Remove all 9/11 images by Culture20 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The coloring book was produced to help kids process something that a _lot_ of them saw on live television _while_ it was happening, including the second plane strike, the people jumping, and the towers collapsing; not to mention the bajillion talking heads who were visibly shaken themselves.

      "A Scary Thing Happened", and the kids were going to be thinking about it, and maybe drawing it anyway. Maybe it might have been good to let them know (via a coloring book) that scary things are rare, and that happy times are common. Now, eight years later, those kids have grown past the coloring book stage, and today's toddlers have no need for "A Scary Thing Happened."

  4. Re:Yes, clearly misinterpreted by malkir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where the hell did you grow up? Certainly not in the U.S.A., if you think that coloring in a terrorist attack is so worrisome, what's your opinion on the public television they'll be watching in just a few years? I say we quit pretending and come to terms with reality, this happened. It was a very real thing, a 'turning point' (using this term lightly) in American history.

    What happened to "9/11 - Never Forget". When did it become "9/11 - Never Forget, But Don't Tell the Children!!".

  5. Re:Yes, clearly misinterpreted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm sorry but I think exposing children to this sort of material will desensitise them to such actions if (when) they happen again..

    Ummm you need to look up what desensitize means. It doesn't mean that you don't care when something happens, it means you don't get tied up into an ineffective emotional knot.

    For example, someone who is "desensitized" to violence (like a soldier) is not going to not notice, or not care about killing, but they will be able to kill without having huge emotional issues. At least that's the theory, in practice it usually ends up still bothering people quite a bit.

    Your argument is like saying that showing kids pictures of the Holocaust will "desensitize" them to genocide, so that they won't notice or care WHEN it happens again. Which simply isn't true- it makes them MORE aware of such things, which is good.

    As for this book, it was intended to give kids an outlet to help them deal with constantly seeing stuff about 9/11 on TV, on the news, at school, etc. They don't really understand what's going on at that age, but still need an outlet to help deal with the fear that they pick up from the adults around them.
    It doesn't seem very politically correct, but that's because LIFE is not politically correct, and attempting to shoehorn life into a nice tidy little box is going to cause the kids bigger problems in the long run.

    As a final thought, if this really was an issue, then why do most kids who played the board game "operation" still vomit when a coroner opens up a corpse in front of them?

  6. Re:Yes, clearly misinterpreted by Turzyx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't about us pretending, it's about children pretending. Learning about the futility of existence should be a suprise saved for later in life.

  7. Not a big deal by Ogive17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember when I was between the ages of 6 and 10 I use to draw battles with tanks, jets, and stickmen. I had people falling into volcanoes, getting blown in two by bombs, getting hit by "tracer" round gunfire, etc. Guess what, I'm still pretty normal. I don't have the urge to blow anyone up or shoot anyone.

    While I agree it's a bit odd to have the twin towers getting hit by airplanes in a coloring book, I wouldn't have a problem with my kids coloring the picture.

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  8. Re:Yes, clearly misinterpreted by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes.

    One thing that I have never really understood.... whats so bad about being desensitized?

    I mean really, do we think that the proper reaction, in just about any situation, is to immediately reduce yourself to a quivering blob of jelly? Isn't desensitization exactly what you want when a major event happens and you have to keep a calm and level head and act rationally?

    I mean seriously, other than a bunch o fhand waving about the bogus dangers of "desensitization" is there really any way at all that this could be, in the least bit, harmful to children?

    Seriously, if we had been a bit more "desensitized" to this extremely rare event, by a very small number of people (who are mostly all dead or captured), then maybe we wouldn't have overreacted so badly.

    At current count, adding security to cockpit doors is the SINGLE change I have seen since 9/12 thats made anyone any safer. In reality, the attack vector was one that relied on passengers believing they would be involved in a bloodless standoff that was exploited. 9/11 was a 100% self correcting problem, as it educated airline passengers to a new type of terrorist plot.

    As of about 11 am on 9/11 the plot could not have been repeated ever again. No new "security measures" were needed. However, being nation of ultra-sensitive cowards who like to hide behind big police forces and military might, we did a lot more than that.

    I see desensitization as a good thing. Lets have them color in some suicide bomb belts while they are at it. so maybe next time we can act like mature adults rather than sacred little children.

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  9. Re:I'll be the karma whore by BitwiseX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK.. so after flipping through it the only thing related to 9/11 is the cover and ONE page. The rest of the coloring book doesn't refer to any specific events, just "disaster". It looks to me like a good effort at educating children about disaster and coping with it.

    Why can't they change the cover, change the image on that page, and MOVE ON!

  10. 9/11 == Power Over Electorate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nonsense. 9/11 helps whoever is in power by whipping the nation into a patriotic government-worshiping frenzy. Remember all those people who thought that criticizing the president was akin to treason? That's the power of 9/11. Both Democrats and Republicans want that power.

    This coloring book was pulled for a completely different reason, namely that people didn't want their tax dollars supporting such a thing.

  11. Bruce Perens is a censor! by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I notice YOU haven't published the coloring book on YOUR site either, Mr. Perens. Therefore, by your own logic, you are a censor.

    Except that is not censorship. Nobody is banning anything. FEMA is choosing not to use our tax dollars to publish a coloring book on their own web site. Calling that censorship dilutes the meaning of the word, and it demeans the struggle against real censorship.

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    1. Re:Bruce Perens is a censor! by belmolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that the FEMA site is a site to which people go in search of information about disasters and emergencies. Bruce Perens' site is not. Furthermore, until some silly people began to complain about it, FEMA did have it on its site.

      No, this isn't censorship in the strict sense, but it is unfortunate that a government site should take down a perfectly appropriate publication because some people whine about it.

    2. Re:Bruce Perens is a censor! by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't the government supposed to be accountable to the people? Then why on earth is it a bad thing when they listen to them and not publish something?

    3. Re:Bruce Perens is a censor! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Freedom of speech does not require that I give anyone a podium.

      FEMA, in this case, was forced to remove the material due to pressure to be "politically correct". Yes, that's censorship.

    4. Re:Bruce Perens is a censor! by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      See, now this is how we calmly and rationally discuss an issue without resorting to hyperbole. I happen to disagree that this is unfortunate. Not that I think it is fortunate either, I think it is utterly unimportant.

      Seriously, if you are going to the FEMA site for tips on how to talk to your kids about terrorism, you have bigger problems than the disappearance of a coloring book.

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    5. Re:Bruce Perens is a censor! by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't the government supposed to be accountable to the people? Then why on earth is it a bad thing when they listen to them and not publish something?

      Since when did populism become such a good thing? The government should be holding up the values that created the country and not caving to every populist whim. Accountable to the people means balancing between a vocal minority (and often a vocal majority) and the values in a country. I'm sure there is a large majority of people who would love the government to cut everyone checks for a 100k. When government refuses are they not being 'accountable to the people?'

  12. Re:Yes, clearly misinterpreted by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly, things always end up on a larger scale later in life. The sooner you have certain life experiences the better you are. Think about chicken pox, when you are 4 or 5 chicken pox is just a few days sick, a few oatmeal baths and some lotion, on the other hand, when you are 40, chicken pox can get you hospitalised rather quickly. Or think about drinking, the kid who drinks a bit when he is 15, throws up and then only occasionally drinks compared to the kid who is 21 and drinks enough to have alcohol poisoning because he doesn't know when to quit.

    Early exposure to things almost always leads to better handling of it and less severe consequences then later in life.

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  13. Wrong again by spun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    By your logic, anything the government published at one time but no longer publishes has been 'censored.' Do you really not understand how that dilutes the real meaning of the word 'censorship?'

    FEMA was not 'forced' to remove anything. FEMA is a government agency, with limited funds. They put up something they thought would be useful. People did not find it useful, and they asked FEMA not to waste any resources on it. FEMA took it down. The work is still available, if anyone wants it. The government has not banned the coloring book. The government is just not wasting our tax dollars hosting that worthless content anymore.

    Calling this censorship is simply hyperbole, and a knee-jerk attempt at whipping up some anti-government, anti-PC hysteria.

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    1. Re:Wrong again by spun · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You should have been more clear rather than demeaning yourself by rushing a sound-bite out in an attempt to get first post. You are Bruce Fricken Perens for crying out loud. You don't need first post to get noticed. And you don't need to put your thoughts into dumbed-down sound bite form. Allow me to quote from your first post:

      Censorship is a bigger danger to the American Public than any FEMA publication.

      Please, explain to us how that is not hyperbole. It is implying that removal of this publication is somehow a big danger to the American Public. Do you really believe that the removal of a coloring book from the FEMA site is an actual danger, or even some kind of warning sign of danger to come? If so, please explain why. If not, please admit that you engaged in a teeny tiny bit of hyperbole, probably brought on in a misguided attempt to get 'first post' on Slashdot.

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    2. Re:Wrong again by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please show us where the article makes any claims whatsoever as to why this coloring book was taken down. This is the problem I have with claims of censorship, for all we know, FEMA had a contract to keep the thing up for six years and it just expired. Or they ran our of space on the web server. Or it was an accident. We just don't know, and assuming it was due to public outcry is unwarranted.

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  14. Why is it a bad thing? by mengel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the people who are asking them to take it down are silly, that's why. Things like coloring or drawing pictures (and talking about the pictures thus drawn) of traumatic events is good therapy. Removing something that supports that is silly.

    So yes, the government should be accountable to the people. But they should also know when a few people are being silly and complaining about something that is actually worthwhile.

    On the other hand, kids that are of a coloring-book age (like my 5-year-old) at this point probably don't remember September 11, 2001, anyhow.

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    1. Re:Why is it a bad thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since it happened 8 years ago, I'm am POSITIVE that your 5-year-old doesn't remember it.

    2. Re:Why is it a bad thing? by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a whole branch of psychology known as Art Therapy [wikipedia.org] built around this premise.

      I am aware of Art Therapy. I was referring more specifically to the FEMA colouring book though. I am not aware that children who have lived in New York during 9/11 are the only people who have access to this coloring book. Though I think the book has been published many years too late for it to be of any benefit.

      That being said, and on the more tangential topic of Art Therapy; neither the original poster nor you have given any evidence as to the efficacy of Art Therapy. According to Wikipedia "According to the American Art Therapy Association, art therapy is based on the belief ...". Beliefs are fine and dandy, but evidence and proof is necessary for people who don't live on Faith alone.

      I would say the guideline would look something like this: when you have a bunch of people with no psychological qualifications whatsoever complaining about something that a large majority of psychologists actually feel is beneficial, the whiners are being silly.

      That has some merit. I myself have a lot of education in the social sciences and psychology (though I am not an expert or credentialed) and have found that most people would rather believe in folklore than science. I would take your definition of silliness more seriously if it had more logic to it than just majority opinion. Some people can't just live by Karma alone.

  15. Re:And Does The Book by mdarksbane · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Umm... it's still torture, even if you can argue that it was defensible.

    If I walked into a camp in Pakistan and shot Osama Bin Laden in the head, it would still be murder, or at the very least, assassination (aka, fancy political murder). Whether it was justified or not does not change what the action was.

    Now, given that everyone tortured under the Bush regime had *not* been committed of a crime, that multiple serious studies have shown that torturing is not a useful way to acquire reliable information, and that there has been no proof submitted to the public that the torturing was in any way useful... I'd argue the justification of it, too.

  16. Re:And Does The Book by NiteShaed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, it's only torture when other countries do it. When our country does it, it's a valuable interrogation technique.

    But hey, just because torture is generally considered an unreliable method of gaining information, why shouldn't we do it anyway? It proves we're tough, right?

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  17. The article does not say why the book was removed by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whoah there, Bruce. Please point out where the article claims that FEMA took down the coloring book due to pressure. Actually, the article does not state WHY the book was removed. Unless you have access to information we don't, you are making completely unwarranted assumptions.

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