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IE8 Update Forces IE As Default Browser

We discussed Microsoft making IE8 a critical update a while back; but then the indication was that the update gave users a chance to choose whether or not to install it. Now I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes in with word that the update not only does not ask, but it makes IE the default browser. "Microsoft has a new tactic in the browser wars. They're having the 'critical' IE8 update make IE the default browser without asking. Yes, you can change it back, but it doesn't ask you if you want IE8 or if you want it as the default browser, it makes the decisions for you. Opera might have a few more complaints to make to the EU antitrust board after this, but Microsoft will probably be able to drag out the proceedings for years, only to end up paying a small fine. If you have anyone you've set up with a more secure alternative browser, you might want to help check their settings after this."

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  1. Death to IE6! by mnslinky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's to the end of IE 6 and all the hacks needed for site to render correctly!

    1. Re:Death to IE6! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope... Many corporations built their intranet around IE6 and changing browser will break it. Rather than spend buckets of money revamping their intranet, they are just more likely to keep going with IE6...

    2. Re:Death to IE6! by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I say go ahead and break the websites. They were all broken the minute they went browser specific.

      Granted, the fact that the HTML protocol could be interpreted two different ways indicates that it's not entirely Microsoft's fault... this time.

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    3. Re:Death to IE6! by penguin_dance · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not just about having built their intranet around IE6. A lot of (really large) companies I have done contract work for are still using Windows 2000 as their OS and you can't run anything newer than IE6 with that. I think when XP came along, they decided not to upgrade, but just wait until the next version of the OS came out. Then Vista came along....

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    4. Re:Death to IE6! by ivucica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Real problem is they're forcing their browser to be default system browser, in place of Opera, Firefox, Chrome - whichever is your default. Y'know how aforementioned browsers (and older IE) ask you if you want them to be the default? The /. summary makes point of forcing IE8 as the default.

    5. Re:Death to IE6! by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They also won't remember that you warned them. They'll remember that somewhere along the line, IT oversaw this intranet for them. It worked for a while, then something broke. Even if they're aware that this is related to IE6 (probably not), nobody will remember who made that call, especially not the idiot who said "let's just go with that blue E internet thingie."

      They'll just know that IT made it, and it broke after a few years.

    6. Re:Death to IE6! by jonadab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > IE7 and 8 do not natively support xhtml, they treat the
      > document as SGML and apply SGML rules to it. This means
      > that namespaces, MathML, etc. cannot be supported by
      > that browser,

      Actually, it's theoretically possible to still support those things without fully embracing all the other XML rules. It won't make the purists happy, but it can be done.

      > and that it will not fail on invalid content as an xml parser should.

      I consider completely failing on all invalid content to be an undesirable characteristic in a web browser and contrary to the basic principle of graceful degradation that the web is built on. If a browser sees an element it does not recognize, it should just treat it as a generic element (comparable to span) and go on. This allows webmasters to go ahead and use new features before every web browser that's still in use supports them (which can take a decade or more).

      A web browser is not a validator. That isn't its purpose. Web developers need to know how to use a validator, yes, but the web browser shouldn't be it.

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  2. Nothing changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IE remains the biggest security problem in Windows (besides user stupidity).

    If webpages can override the render engine in IE8 then IE8 is only as secure as the worst render engine.

  3. Making it a critical update was a favor by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IE6 is a plague on the internet development world. If it gets rid of that, wonderful. Making it the default browser, that's classic Microsoft. Actually, that's the new, desperate to hang on to market share in the face of shrinking revenue Microsoft.

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  4. You fucking suck... Slashdot by GF678 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm yet another person who installed IE 8 via Windows Update and it did NOT forcibly set itself as the default browser.

    Seriously Slashdot, do you even bother to vet your troll articles anymore? Do you realize how embarrassingly pathetic this one significant site in the tech world has become?

  5. Re:More secure alternative browser? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it not a bit early to be deciding which browsers are more secure than IE8?

    No it isn't, unless you believe in miracles. This isn't really Microsoft's fault but for every hacker who says "lets target Firefox and try to capture bank details" there are 100 trying to do it for IE.

  6. FUD by sherriw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I agree that making it default _without asking_ is a shady move on Microsoft's part, I'm sure what the payoff is for them versus the negative response many people will have. Those users who have a non-IE browser as default will notice the switch and will switch it back, these are the users who are actively choosing which browser to use anyway. The people who don't care what browser they are using, are probably already using IE. So what do they accomplish, other than reaffirming to the non-IE people the rightness of their choice?

  7. As Machiavellian as this seems... by Assmasher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...we know that most people (sadly) are using some version of IE currently; ergo, if they install IE8 and it makes itself the default, this is good for a variety of reasons entirely related to security (and good for the rest of us as the last thing I need is more zombies out there spamming me night and day.)

    Now, most people who have an alternative browser installed do so because they are 'aware' of the realities of modern web surfing and make an intelligent choice accordingly. These people are being inconvenienced by this because they've got to set their browser back to being the default (often this is simply a case, using Mozilla as an example, of starting up their favorite browser and it saying "Hey, don't you want to use me all the time" and they choose "yes, make yourself my default browser." Inconvenient, annoying, suspicious, yes - a real problem for these people? No...

    The last group are the (imho) very small minority of web users who've been lucky enough to have an informed web user install an IE alternative for them, but they themselves do not know what the fuss is about. These are the people actually getting screwed by this. They may end up with IE8 until their good Samaritan revisits them to right this terrible wrong.

    Ignoring whatever the actual motives for this decision at Micro$oft was, I personally think the good outweighs the bad. It would still be nice to smack the guy who green lighted this in the face though, wouldn't it? :)

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  8. Re:SOP for all Microsoft products by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What do you mean "your" operating environment? Windows is theirs!

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  9. Re:More secure alternative browser? by derGoldstein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How was this modded troll? It's a fact of life, and he even added "This isn't really Microsoft's fault" which most slashdotters wouldn't have bothered with.

    IE is the primary target for browser hacking, and will remain so as long as its market share is anywhere in the vicinity that it is now.

    The best thing you can do at the moment is install Firefox *and* Chrome *and* Opera and try to dedicate types of sites to each browser.
    I usually assign Google properties to Chrome, highly compliant sites to Opera, and everything else to Firefox.
    (This may sound paranoid, or just overkill, but I have to develop/test on multiple browsers anyway so for me it's also a way to get to know them better.)

    I'm not suggesting that everyone should install every browser, but at the very least install Firefox and make it the default, because they patch it early and often, and it's very good at maintaining itself (updating when you restart, checking for plugin updates, etc.)

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  10. Same here by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Installed on Vista 64.

    I think what TFA actually means to say is:

    "I got really click happy and just blindly clicked my way through the IE8 install without looking and it made itself my default browser, how dare it!"

  11. You just proved his point! by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By those numbers, only 6.5% of IE users are running the latest version. Even if you include IE7 you get that only 73.5% of IE users have upgraded to a browser released in the last three years.

    On the otherhand, 91.4% of Firefox users are running the latest stable version or a beta version. And if you include FF2 (released the same month as IE7) 99.5% of firefox users have upgraded to a browser released in the last three years.

    Firefox users are far more likely to upgrade to the newest version than Internet Explorer users are, which is what he was claiming.

    1. Re:You just proved his point! by dintlu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's been my experience that Firefox automatically downloads updates and installs them when I restart my browser. Firefox users are up to date because *they don't have a choice.*

      Now, who was complaining about MS forcing an update?