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Small Nuclear Power Plants To Dot the Arctic Circle

Vincent West writes with news of a Russian project currently underway to populate the Arctic Circle with 70-megawatt, floating nuclear power plants. Russia has been planning these nuclear plants for quite some time, with construction beginning on the prototype in 2007. It's due to be finished next year, and an agreement was reached in February to build four more. According to the Guardian: "The 70-megawatt plants, each of which would consist of two reactors on board giant steel platforms, would provide power to Gazprom, the oil firm which is also Russia's biggest company. It would allow Gazprom to power drills needed to exploit some of the remotest oil and gas fields in the world in the Barents and Kara seas. The self-propelled vessels would store their own waste and fuel and would need to be serviced only once every 12 to 14 years."

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  1. Only one problem.... by Aklarr · · Score: 4, Funny

    What if killer penguins decided to attack these floating nuke stations and because of that developed mutant powers? :P

    1. Re:Only one problem.... by mangu · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if killer penguins decided to attack these floating nuke stations and because of that developed mutant powers?

      It would be quite a mutation, to allow them to swim 20000km from the Antarctic to the Arctic...

    2. Re:Only one problem.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      What if they were liberated from a laboratory by some geographically challenged animal-rights activists? It's not as unlikely as you think.

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    3. Re:Only one problem.... by Main+Gauche · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well that depends. Are they African or European?

    4. Re:Only one problem.... by Anpheus · · Score: 4, Funny

      I haven't yet heard anyone tell me if they were unladen or not.

    5. Re:Only one problem.... by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 4, Funny

      is Major Disaster related to Colonel Panic or General Protection Fault?

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  2. ahhh by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    lose control of one of those, and Russia owns all of the arctic. Just kidding.

    That is not a bad idea. I have thought that the west should be putting up more small reactors to run things like Manufacturing as well as our electric trains. Do some 10-20 MW next to a maglev or just old fashion hi-speed train like Frances, and you have a fairly efficient none polluting train.

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  3. Obligatory by LordAlpha · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these.

  4. Nuclear submarines by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The 70-megawatt plants, each of which would consist of two reactors on board giant steel platforms, would provide power to Gazprom, the oil firm which is also Russia's biggest company. It would allow Gazprom to power drills needed to exploit some of the remotest oil and gas fields in the world in the Barents and Kara seas. The self-propelled vessels would store their own waste and fuel and would need to be serviced only once every 12 to 14 years."

    This probably sounds like a serious potential problem to some of the nuclearphobes, but the basic description sounds like they're using nuclear submarine power plants with electrical generators attached to the turbines instead of a screw.

    In other words, this sort of thing has been operating safely for about 50 years now.

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    1. Re:Nuclear submarines by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Informative
      That is pretty much the gist of it. Russia has had a few accidents with their reactors, but that was long ago. I have been surprised that Western shipbuilders are not designing new cargo ships with nuclear power. I would think that at this time, it would be considered the cheapest form of shipping down the road. America built a convertable (half cargo-half passenger), and that was ok EXCEPT for several issues.
      1. The price of oil turned cheap.
      2. Captains were insisting on more pay than the nuclear engineer.
      3. It wasted space on passengers.

      The west needs some all nuclear ships to ply the route between America and EU (no real chance of pirates) and perhaps across the pacific. This would drop CO2 emissions a great deal.

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    2. Re:Nuclear submarines by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Informative

      MOD UP. 70MW is mush LESS than submarines than the Russians have been using for years. For example, the Russian Typhoon class submarine has DUAL 90MW reactors in it. This is nothing new for Russia at all.

    3. Re:Nuclear submarines by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not surprised that nobody uses nuclear for cargo ships. You need to spend a lot more money on your shipboard engineering crew (more people, higher salaries, more training), you need to build and maintain shore facilities to handle nuclear plant maintenance, and nowadays you'd need a respectably-sized security force on board and at the shore facility to make sure you didn't lose control of your nuclear materials to people that want to do something other than push cargo with it.

      The US Navy decided to stop using nuclear power on cruisers because it was cheaper to use conventional power for some of the reasons above. Note that the power requirements for a cruiser and a large container ship are about the same.

      The ongoing negative public sentiment towards nuclear is probably another big deciding factor.

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  5. Re:Ranting against "evil Russians" to commence... by mrphoton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be fair the Russians do not have a spotless record in nuclear health and safety. Or for that matter health and safety in any form.

  6. Re:Nuclear Power by Alex+Belits · · Score: 4, Informative

    oh wait what?

    The power plant produces 70MW.

    Assume that the equivalent of this energy is dissipated as heat.

    Sunlight on the Earth surface is on average 164W/m^2, though at polar circle this drops to 80-100W/m^2. Snow at best reflects 90%, absorbing 10%.

    70,000,000/(80*0.1)=8,750,000m^2=8.75km^2

    So one power plant is an equivalent of sunlight collected over 8.76km^2 area. Arctic ocean is 14,056,000km^2. Power plant increases the amount of heat absorbed in the area by .00006%

    Alternatively the same amount of power would have to be produced by the same Gazprom using -- guess what? -- things that Gazprom happens to produce, namely fuel.

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  7. Re:Why? by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well duh... they need the oil to mine the uranium for the nuclear reactors.

  8. Re:Ranting against "evil Russians" to commence... by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, I don't agree that cheap gas is good. Cheap gas = larger cars = more emissions. Also, cheaper gas = lower price point green alternatives have to compete with. You say "until alternative cars become affordable", but the cheaper gas is, the longer that takes.

  9. Re:Ranting against "evil Russians" to commence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh really?

    Yes, really.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Karachay
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Zemlya
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Peninsula
    HTH,
    HAND

  10. Re:Nuclear Power by moon3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More interesting is the fact that Gazprom, firm that has all the fossil fuel at its disposal has opted for this kind of power.

  11. Re:Ranting against "evil Russians" to commence... by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh really? Who told you that?

    The only serious nuclear incident in USSR history, Chernobyl

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_Disaster

  12. Sounds like our ZPM is out of power by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like our ZPM is out of power

  13. Re:Ranting against "evil Russians" to commence... by KonoWatakushi · · Score: 4, Informative

    As you suggest, there are now a number meltdown-proof reactor designs. These are not merely engineered with "infallible" safety mechanisms, but are fundamentally meltdown-proof by their very design. As long as the laws of physics hold, which is a reasonably safe assumption, there is no risk of meltdown.

    While the Pebble bed reactor is safe though, the nature of the pebbles make for very difficult reprocessing, and otherwise still pose a long term waste management problem.

    Nuclear is the clear winner for clean, environmentally friendly energy production, but I would recommend pointing people to the Integral Fast Reactor instead. An added benefit would be that such a design could also solve our current nuclear waste problems, by recycling it for use in such reactors. The true waste after recycling is both very minimal and very short lived by comparison.

  14. Re:No maintenance? Water and Ice by Cassini2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    True, but there's also a lot more you can do to protect something from wear and tear when you're not concerned about its weight and cost to lift into orbit. It's actually much easier to make something on Earth that lasts that long than it is to make something for space that lasts that long. The reason we don't usually do so is it's even easier to make something that doesn't, and a lot less expensive to just service it as needed.

    Snow, water and ice are really nasty. If you live near significant snow, you will have watched things just "move" around. Year after year, you can watch a fence move, or a big rock slowly move across a yard.

    In many ways, water and ice are worse than space. As the water thaws and freezes, it picks up and moves considerable structures. In Southern Canada, you just put your footings down below the frost line. In the Canadian shield, most people don't have basements because it would mean blasting granite. By the time you hit the arctic, there is so much snow and ice, it becomes logistically difficult to put in proper footings.

    The Russians are talking about building boats for the nuclear reactor. Sea can be more stable than land in some ways. But what do you do when a great big iceberg is coming your way? These reactors must be connected to something via a cable. They won't be easy to move. Essentially, if one of these reactors ever becomes ice-locked, it would be in danger of getting its hull crushed and sinking.

    These reactors have to withstand ice, year after year, without fail. How is that going to work? We haven't built an ice-breaker that can survive rough service without on-going maintenance. How is a stationary boat going to do it without maintenance?

    Additionally, if a space probe goes missing, it is largely without significant environmental consequences for planet earth. If one of these reactors fails, it could dump radioactive waste into the arctic ocean. Thanks to the jet stream, all the oceans are interconnected, and that radioactivity will go world wide.