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The Problem With Cable Is Television

Saul Hansell writes in the NY Times about how various services offered by cable companies affect their spending and their revenue. As it turns out, a lot of the cost increases and investment needs are coming from television and video services rather than internet connectivity. The scramble for high-def and rising licensing fees for programming seem to be the biggest headaches for Comcast and Time Warner right now. Quoting: "By all accounts, Web video is not currently having any effect on the businesses of the cable companies. Market share is moving among cable, satellite and telephone companies, but the overall number of people subscribing to some sort of pay TV service is rising. (The government's switch to digital over-the-air broadcasts is providing a small stimulus to cable companies.) However, if you remember, it took several years before music labels started to feel any pain from downloads. As the sour economy and the Web start putting more pressure on the cable companies, they may be forced to consider breaking up the big bundles of channels they now insist that consumers buy and instead offer individual channels or smaller groups of channels on an à la carte basis."

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  1. Not the programming by colinrichardday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought the problem was that the programming sucked.

    1. Re:Not the programming by Narpak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I guess the problem is that majority of programming suck, or at least that the broad scope of programs available through a cable package is so diverse that many only enjoy a small handful while the rest that falls outside the individual field of interest is uninteresting.

      The tactic employed is to bundle "high quality" channels with "low quality" channels to ensure that if you want to buy the thing you are interesting you also have to buy a lot of crap that you don't are about. Selling individual channels, or smaller bundles, would mean you could probably ensure that what channels you get are those you actually want to watch; but it would also mean that a lot of marginal shows and channels would go out of business.

      Of course personally I believe that this is pretty much inevitable and that shows and programming enjoyed by a smaller minority will have to find other ways to reach their targeted audience (like say the Internet). And it probably wont stop there either. In fact I would go so far as to say that over the next two decades the traditional way (in so far as something as new as cable can be said to have a tradition) of watching TV will change in many different ways. Using myself as an example I don't watch TV. Not because there aren't shows I would be interested in, but because I simply can not tailor my day around a programming schedule (nor am I inclined to buy a cable package and a Tivo like device). For me the only option when it comes to watching shows is getting them online (and I am sad to say the options for doing that legal is severely limited in my Country); so for the most part I just have to do without until reality catches up with technology and gives me options suited to my lifestyle.

    2. Re:Not the programming by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought the problem was that the programming sucked.

      Americans are a varied bunch -- a lot of us like a lot of very different things. For most people, the Food Network is a total waste of a channel, but I wouldn't trade it away. My old roommate loved the Golf Channel, about which I felt the kind of apathy that he probably felt for FoodTV. There is no /.ers seem overwhelmingly in favor of ala-carte pricing, but I'm quite skeptical that this will improve the quality of programming. Instead, I think it will move towards the same "top-10" mentality where money is poured into the small number of large earners while the bottom half is ignored, or worse. I would love to pay $5/mo "directly" for FoodTV (directly, in the sense that Verizon would see that cash flow and value FoodTV appropriately), but I fear the result.

      Plus, I'm generally not a fan of the kind of balkinization that I feel this will produce -- people that view only the things they already know they like are unlikely to branch out and view something different. There's quite a bit of interesting wheat (in there with the chaff, of course) flipping through that large middle block of digital channels.

    3. Re:Not the programming by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Forcing me to pay for Billy-Joe Bob's new heart

      No, its a fee that you pay for the privilege of partaking in society. Bob's new heart will enable him to go and make contributions which then might (or might not) affect you, but will affect someone else, who in turn might affect you etc. The alternative is dog-eat-dog jungle where all (but the richest assholes) who get sick die destitute. Sort of like America today...

      ... (or house) (or car) ....

      Yes the nasty gubmint is giving away houses and cars to every illegal Mexican!

      And don't forget all them illegal-alien-friendly channels on basic cable! Oh, wait, its actually a private enterprise that is making you pay for all them cable channels! Paragons of "free market", the agents of the "invisible hand"! Oh dear!

    4. Re:Not the programming by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cable set to the side. Forcing me to pay taxes and then using those taxes to benefit someone else is theft. Theft from me and my family. You think taxes are good, then defend taxes, don't dispute that they are theft though. If I stuck a gun in your face and demanded 20% of your money it would be armed robbery. When the government does it, it is called taxation. And I personally could not care any less than I do now, (zero), if Billy-Joe Bob gets anew heart or not. He could die before I walked across the road and pissed on him if that was all he needed. I also don't care if your mewling brats get an education or if your parents have to eat roadkill. Taking my money to benefit you and yours is fucking wrong,immoral and exactly what the founders of the USA were dead set against.

      Then pack the fuck up and leave. Nobody is stopping you.

      The United Arab Emirates have a 0% tax rate; perhaps you should consider immigrating there.

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    5. Re:Not the programming by centuren · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then pack the fuck up and leave. Nobody is stopping you.

      The United Arab Emirates have a 0% tax rate; perhaps you should consider immigrating there.

      Amen to that. The simple fact you consider taxation robbery, but put up with it every year, tends to discredit your claims.

      Taking my money to benefit you and yours is fucking wrong,immoral and exactly what the founders of the USA were dead set against.

      So completely wrong. "No taxation without representation" is not an alternate phrasing of "no taxation". Contrary to common thought, the famous example of the Boston Tea Party was in response to the British government reducing taxes on tea imports. The colonial smugglers who had been profiting from the higher cost of legitimate tea imports wanted to maintain the status quo; i.e. keep taxes high. I believe Benjamin Franklin was one of the people to publicly suggest the course of action opposed by the smugglers.

      If there's going to be a long argument about what the founder's wanted, make sure you include the colonial / state constitutions wherever you cite the US constitution. If one thing's clear, it's that the limits on the federal government were largely to stop it from interfering with the states' powers over their citizens, which of course included taxes.

    6. Re:Not the programming by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If they had it their way, the only rights we would end up having were ones we could afford to buy and enforce as an individuals.

      Quite right. It is no coincidence that most of them have fantasies of societal collapse followed by a "Mad Max"-type future where "real men" and their shotguns get to rule the day.

      They never seem to get it that a "working" example of a "libertarian society" is ... Somalia. No functional central government to rain on the "real men's" parade there at all. Everyone there is free to conduct "free enterprise" any way they see fit. Curiously however, libertarian immigration to the Paradise in Mogadishu remains rather low.... perhaps not enough pamphlets at the weekly meetings at the temple of the Goddess Alyssa Zhinovievena?

    7. Re:Not the programming by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Things that benefit everybody (like a navy) are legitimate taxation (and constitutional). Things that only benefit are few are theft of labor, and it doesn't matter if we're talking about a slave picking crops for his master, or neighbors being forced to work to earn money so Bob gets a new heart/house/car. We're still talking about a human rights violation.

      And of course you get to be the one making the decision as to what is "benefiting everybody", naturally, no? Like for example the fact that in many places a navy or an army does dick all because the terrain prevents any feasible invasions and at the same time a pandemic of heart-disease causing virus can kill far more then any foreign navy could manage. Or the fact that a society in which medical care costs are under control and removed from consideration of individual businessmen is actually more friendly to small enterprise, which then benefits "everyone". One could go on.

      But all of this is besides the point that taxation in a democratic society is by definition legitimate. What the taxes are being spent on is a matter of debate. However one thing is clear: a society which does not take care of its weakest members is pretty much pointless. Because it is the whole point of society that in it individuals can count for help beyond their own means. Otherwise we all might as well head for hermit cabins and shoot each other on sight for "trespassing" (which by the way is many a "libertarian" fantasy).

    8. Re:Not the programming by Ramze · · Score: 4, Informative

      This bit on the Boston Tea Party simply isn't true. While the British did reduce taxes on the East India Trading Co. in Britain to help reduce losses due to the smuggling of tax-free tea from the Dutch, the Tea Party was actually in response to multiple factors including the Townshend Acts which levied NEW taxes on the colonies (including one on tea) by the British Empire.

      The Boston Tea Party had little to do with smugglers and more to do with a tax imposed on the colonies by an empire in which they had no representation and the fact that the taxes were used to pay local officials (which made colonials question their loyalty b/c they were paid in part by the crown) and the monopoly on tea held by the East India Trading Co.

      For further evidence, there were protests over the Stamp Act and other similar laws imposed on the colonials by the empire. To imply that the Tea Party was a response by smugglers over losing profits instead of the culmination of years of anger by protesters over taxation rights is a gross misrepresentation of history. I suppose next you'll blame cause of the American war for independence on the opium trade.

  2. standalone cable internet, please by mtrachtenberg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to pay for basic cable, and then pay an internet fee on top of that, even though I never watch TV.

    If internet is less expensive to deliver than TV, why oh why won't the cable companies just let me buy what I want and need, without paying for the "basic tier" of trash?

    1. Re:standalone cable internet, please by iamhigh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where are the insightful and informative mods?!?

      You must be new here... there are no insightful and informative moderators on /.

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  3. If they broke up the channels a la carte by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I would actually pay for cable.

    What I want:

    HBO
    History Channel
    MSNBC
    CNN
    CBC
    BBC
    Comedy Central
    Showtime
    Science Channel
    PBS
    Animal Planet (for my daughter)
    Cartoon Network (for my daughter)
    VH1 (for the wife)

    That's it. I don't watch and don't care for the rest of it, because it's mindless brain drool, and a lot of what is on the stations I listed is also mindless brain drool, just less of it than elsewhere (like Oxygen, MTV, SPIKE, ABC/CBS/NBC, etc.). That's 13 channels I would watch, and watch at least once a week. I would pay a dollar a month for each. That would give them $13 a month they're not getting now. I would not pay more than $1 month, because frankly, TV is a big time suck and mind poison. but that's what I would do, and I am certain there are many people who agree with me.

    I don't want the Food Channel. I don't want ESPN. I don't want "Desperate Housewives" or "American Idol". It's crap. I don't want it in my house.

    But I am willing to pay for the good stuff, if I can be certain I will get GOOD STUFF.

    RS

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  4. Re:Smaller Bundles by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't bother. They're turning to dumbed down dreck like everything else.

  5. The grouping is from the content providers by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not a fan of cable companies. Not in any way.

    But the problem with the groupings right now is that the content providers force certain groupings. For example, if you want to offer ESPN and ESPN2 (what cable company could afford not to), then Disney says "okay, if you want to offer ESPN and ESPN2, that'll $2.40 per month per subscriber". Which is $2.40 which goes straight to your cable bill. But then they say "well, but we have this new channel, ESPNU (or Classic or Disney Kids 5 or whatever), if you offer that channel IN THE SAME PACKAGE AS ESPN, we'll give you ESPN+ESPN2+ESPNU for only $1.40 per month per subscriber".

    So each year, the providers will basically force another channel into their bundle this way. So each year, each of these content providers is raising the amount of money they get from each subscriber. And the cable companies have to offer big bundles in order to meet the requirements from the content providers.

    Furthermore, it gives all the advantages to the big companies who already have lots of channels in your package. They can launch a new channel easily while the small guys are locked out since the bandwidth is already being chewed up by the big guys' new channels.

    The internet is definitely the disruptive technology that will stop this. That is, if the cable companies and content providers don't find a way to prevent you from streaming video directly.

    There's no technological reason why this bundling is necessary. It's just because the companies (cable and content providers) have found it to their advantage so far. I feel it would strongly benefit the customers to enforce an end to this bundling.

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    1. Re:The grouping is from the content providers by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's no technological reason why this bundling is necessary. It's just because the companies (cable and content providers) have found it to their advantage so far. I feel it would strongly benefit the customers to enforce an end to this bundling.

                Well, of course. And you got one of the more important points, i.e. forcing new channels into more homes, so the content providers can seel teh ads for more. But I think you missed one of the key points - that by including at least one thing in each package that *someone* wants, the cable companies get paid for ALL the content, which they can then use to pay off all the providers. That's why package include, say "Lifetime Movie Network", "Speed" and "Sprout" all in one. People who are seriously interested in getting the Speed channel are not the target demo for LMN! But you can sell the entire package for a high cost to everyone who wants Speed, everyone who wants LMN, and everyone who wants Sprout, for far more than you could sell the individual channels al la Carte. The providers get the same money from the cable providers, and the cable companies get more money from subscribers, 3. PROFIT

                Brett

  6. If you remember, it took several years ... by six025 · · Score: 5, Funny

    However, if you remember, it took several years before music labels realised they had the perfect scapegoat on which to blame a failing business model that relied too heavily on back catalogue material as a prime revenue stream, and an extremely low level of quality regarding contemporary content.

    Fixed that for ya!

  7. Re:Sour economy? by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would NOT pay the $50 bill. I've pulled the plug, and started using Online + Netflix to cut my monthly bill by some $100. Got rid of the Dish DVR, the dual-tv plan. Now we (in my household) all use laptops and two workstations with big screens. We still have one of the old NTSC TVs for playing video games.

    Online TV Rocks!

    On-demand TV has an interesting quality - when you discover a show you like, you can immediately jump to see past episodes you missed. Case in point: Heroes. I just discovered this excellent fantasy show, but jumping in "mid-stream" leaves lots to be desired. I'm able to watch past episodes all the way back to season 1, in order, on my schedule.

    There is no combination of Cable/Satellite/DVR that will give you this.

    The result is that I suddenly have a desire to explore, try new shows for a few minutes, see if I like it. Sure, the chances of me liking some new show are relatively small, but the payoff is so high!

    It's a whole new way of doing TV made possible by a decent quality 3 Mb Internet connection, Hulu, Netflix, and Cast TV

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  8. television channels are so last century by viralMeme · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They just don't get it, we don't want to subscribe to a hundred channels. What we do want is watch what we want when we want and not have to subscribe to half a dozen services on top of our ISP fees.

    If the telecoms want to make real money out of IPTV they need to stop subscribing to rights to channels and instead buy up their own material and repackage it for their own subscribers, else all they are doing is relaying terrestrial TV to an audience that can already get on .. Television. I mean, for me, why pay extra to watch television on the Internet ?

    If may come as a surprise to the telecoms that IPTV is a bandwidth hog, but not the rest of us. What they need to do is provide a high definition broadcast grid for live video, the rest to be provided in a peering arraignment to the local ISP switching center. The consumer then selects from a list of older tv progs and movies and they are delivered overnight to a DVR or set-top-box.

    You pay for what you watch when you watch. Latest movie, ok top dollar, old movie, $1:00 a time. You also pay for online game subscriptions, video telephone, research and reference like the Wolfram|Alpha project.

    Of course even 'passive viewing' is old century for the current wired generation, they're more into making and being in their own personal movie .. :) It depresses me as to all the innovators can see as to the future of the Internet, television and adverts. Back to the sixties I guess :)

    See also:

    Regular columnist Bill Thompson wants it all. And he wants it now.

  9. The current business model cannot/won't hold up by surfingmarmot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course this is a generalization, but in the main the paradox is that free content usually ends up not being worth paying for because quality producers won't make it for long leaving largely low cost/low quality content over the long run. Quality producers and distributors stick to channels where the business model provides a sufficient fee structure (ad revenue, subscribers fees, etc.) via channel control to provide them revenue and profit. But consumers will only pay for content they value--both in quality and speed. The problem right now is most US internet connections are mostly too slow to provide high quality and delivery speeds that will command cable TV-level fee structures for advertising and subscriber fees. The US is way behind the EU in this. So the cable companies and telcos have a huge investment in infrastructure ahead of them before they can profit in the general market. Which is why they want a tiered internet--to phase infrastructure in slowly and match costs and revenues better to stay profitable. Their greed early on has them no painted into a corner--but you can bet they are figuring out how to make to consumer fund their rescue.

  10. Re:If they broke up the channels a la carte by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...may be forced to consider breaking up the big bundles of channels they now insist that consumers buy and instead offer individual channels or smaller groups of channels on an à la carte basis

    But I am willing to pay for the good stuff, if I can be certain I will get GOOD STUFF.

    That's just the thing. You won't get good stuff for your $1/month. For me, à la carte channels aren't unbundled enough. Try unbundling to the show level. Oh wait. We have that. It's called the Internet, and bittorrent.

    This is where their entire distribution model falls down. They have a channel called the SciFi channel (oops, SyFy, my bad^W wtfstupidmarketing) that is used to cablecast... horror movies and fantasy movies. There's precious little SciFi on SyFy. So if they were offering à la carte channels, SyFy might make my list, but in fact it wouldn't because there's too little content on it that is the kind I want. I have no interest in an endless stream of man-in-a-rubber-suit horror movies.

    USA network used to broadcast the Highlander series. I liked it, despite their minor obsession with the correct "formula" for characters leading them to introducing their own Wesley Crusher-esque guaranteed-to-accrue-far-more-power-than-he-ever-deserves character. But the Highlander series is long gone and does USA have anything else I want to watch? I don't know. Their odds are so low that I haven't bothered to find out. So scratch them off the list.

    And on and on.

    You see where this is going. I want to treat TV exactly the way I treat books. I want 100% of the offering free from the library, and I'll buy the individual works that I like well enough to read(watch) again, but I'm paying no more than $5 for it (for the decrease in entertainment hours vs a $7 paperback), and I want 98% of that money to go to the people directly involved in creating the entertainment ('cause that's where publishers are going to end up one day too). The studios are a giant parasitic growth on the back of the creative types capable of assembling a movie and I'm not interesting in feeding a parasite.

    I see the Internet as the death of television as we know it. We'll see more episodic content where the producers don't proudly trumpet the fact that they have no plan at all for the story arc and denigrate their predecessors who did (I'm looking at you Battlestar Galactica), because the networks that screwed with shows in a vain effort to please sponsors and audiences simultaneously will no longer exist. Maybe we can get a spiritual successor to Babylon 5 that doesn't get strangely squashed and stretched by the vagaries of networks, canceling and optioning on a whim.

    In short, the Network Age is passing and the Studio Age is upon us. The studio controlled by the creative types will create our entertainment and the distributors that have a stranglehold on the industry will evaporate, supplanted by a vastly more efficient distribution system.

  11. Re:Smaller Bundles by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...Except for the fact that the videos are DRM-ed and doesn't really work. If I remember correctly you can't play HD content on "non-authorized" monitors, and forget about putting it on anything other then an iPod/iPhone/Windows or OS X machine/Apple TV. This basically means that it is much better to buy the DVD version of the shows so you can do what you want with your purchased content.

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