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Soy-Based Toner Cartridges?

Jon.Laslow writes "I'm getting a lot of pressure from managers to switch to soy-based toner cartridges for our laser printers because they are 'greener.' The problem is, the only information I can find on them is from sales pitches; and the reviews all seem to be user testimonials. Do you have any experience soy-based printing products? Did you have any issues with them, and how was the print quality?"

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  1. new to me by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Informative

    To be honest, I hadn't even heard of this. This article says the very first cartridges just became available at the end of last year. Amazon has them but it looks they all come from one company (the one mentioned in the article I linked) and I couldn't find any reviews or comments. I did notice that as far as I can tell they are the only company selling soy based toner cartridges and they only sell them for HP right now - though I guess they plan to add others in the future. That may solve your issue right there though, unless you own the right printers.
     
    Interestingly enough the link in TFA doesn't seem to point to a company that does anything other than refurbish and refill toner cartridges with regular toner. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see a thing about soy based toner. I'm sure someone will point me in the right direction on that if I'm mistaken.
     
    So I'd be interested as well in hearing if anyone has actually used this yet, but unless it has been an immediate disaster it doesn't seem that enough time has passed to tell how well it is going to work.

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  2. they suck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    initial printouts were as dark as conventional toners. they did not match the darkness of original oem carts but were ok with our HP remanufactured carts in quality with oem toner.
    after 3-4 weeks we started to see fade. think thermal fax machine fading type fade. they dont last long with UV light exposure (basically sunlight hitting the laser printout). we've since stopped using em.
    YMMV.

    1. Re:they suck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      BTW, we got ours from :
      http://www.lasermonksgreen.com/
      as noted in the FAQ the ink is easier to de-ink and recycle (cuz it comes off the paper easier) and yield is more since less ink sticks to the paper due to the high heat ability of soy inks. for temporary printing this is great. for offices - ok for some, not ok for others.
      see here :
      http://www.lasermonksgreen.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=66
      #
      Simpler and less capital intensive in the de-inking process (recycling)
      #
      Higher yield - for many of the toner cartridges, soy ink yields 10% more pages

      HTH.

  3. Integral cartridge vs separate drum and toner by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Informative
    The biggest single difference you can make is to use the right technology. The most environmentally offensive laser printers use integral drum and toner combinations, with older HP machines being the worst of all - the cartridge is a large, heavy metal and plastic box that in theory is thrown away after a few thousand pages, and the toner is insignificant. As a simple example, I measured the contents of an 8000 page cartridge of an old machine once. The cartridge weighed about 1kg, and contained 150g of toner. Newer HPs still have the integral unit, but print perhaps 19-30000 pages on it, which is much better. On my current printer (not HP), the total weight of material that goes through the machine to print 18000 pages is less than that.

    You can improve on this dismal performance by getting a commercial recycling company to refill old cartridges for you, but after a couple of refills the drum is no longer as good as it was, and print quality starts to deteriorate (on the other hand, one drum may be able to print perhaps 50-60000 report printouts or similar.)

    Many of the more heavy duty printers use separate toner tanks and drums. This is far more effective at the expense of requiring an IQ in excess of 100 to replace toner. The drum unit may last from around 20000 pages on smaller machines to, say, several hundred thousand on a Kyocera. In Xerox printers I've looked at, the actual toner may account for more than half of the toner tank mass.

    Quite simply the best and most effective way to make your printing less environmentally offensive is to go over the entire estate, identify the older machines that use heavy cartridges with a short life, and scrap them. (this will piss off middle managers who probably have them on their desks, but then they wanted it in the first place.) Then do a little homework on actual needs and replace them with something more cost effective. Replacing individual printers with workgroup printers shared among 5-15 people (based on their workload) reduces the carbon footprint per page printed for more than anything else, and tinkering with toner won't be significant in comparison.

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  4. Re:Ad absurdium by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Soy ink? Why the hell not?

    Tackle the biggest issues first, the smaller issues become the biggest.

    For my personal context that means: car (100), heating (73), electricity (26), exotic food imports (3)...

    My next car will have about 25% more fuel efficiency, and if I drive 20% less distance I will bring the weighted score for my car to 60. Or a 20% improvement of my energy consumption (40/(100+73+26))

    Now, what would be the effect if I was planning on how to buy more environmental friendly toiletpaper? 0.001 points (haven't got any actual data to back that up), but worse, I would be side tracked and not tackle things that have a big impact.

  5. Re:Ad absurdium by MojoRilla · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is an urban myth. CFL's do require special cleanup, but is is a pretty simple process. See Snopes for more information.

    According to the EPA, the amount of mercury released into the atmosphere every year is 104 metric tons, mostly created by coal fired power plants. Since most of the mercury is bound to the CFL bulb as it is used, even if every CFL that was sold in 2007 (290 million bulbs) were sent to landfill, it would only release .16 metric tons of mercury, or raise the US yearly amount by 0.16 %.

  6. Re:Buy one... by n0-0p · · Score: 5, Informative

    Standard toner consists of a pigment suspended in a petroleum-based polymer. As such, toner has the environmental impact of any other consumable plastic, including off-gassing and the potential exhaustion of a non-renewable resources. The real problem, however, is that toner must be removed from pulp when recycling paper. The toner removal process uses toxic chemicals and produces a non-biodegradable and non-recyclable sludge waste product.