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Theora Ahead of H.264 In Objective PSNR Quality

bigmammoth writes "Xiph hackers have been hard at work improving the Theora codec over the past year, with the latest versions gaining on and passing h.264 in objective PSNR quality measurements. From the update: 'Amusingly, it also shows test versions of Thusnelda pulling ahead of h.264 in terms of objective quality as bitrate increases. It's important to note that PSNR is an objective measure that does not exactly represent perceived quality, and PSNR measurements have always been especially kind to Theora. This is also data from a single clip. That said, it's clear that the gap in the fundamental infrastructure has closed substantially before the task of detailed subjective tuning has begun in earnest.' Momentum is building with a major Open Video Conference in June, the impending launch of Firefox 3.5 and excitement about wider adoption in a top-4 web site. It's looking like free video codecs may pose a serious threat to the h.264 bait-and-switch plan to start charging millions for internet streaming of h.264 in 2010."

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  1. Uh, that's exactly what's happening isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wikimedia, Mozilla, Redhat... Only thing left is to start seeding Theora pr0n on cheggit. Sounds.... slinky... sexy....

  2. Re:Free codecs are not a major threat by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

    This might not pose that much of a threat to H264, sounds like another OGG or FLAC.

    Theora sounds like another OGG, huh? Imagine that.

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  3. Re:impeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A police officer walks into a computer conference and yells, "Hey, who here's a pedant?"

    99% of the hands go up and the last 1% erase their porn stashes in a panic.

  4. Re:bullcrap by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Funny

    your making zero sense. the free codec's are willingly given away for free, where here /. is yet again wailing when they have to pay for something.

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  5. I'm sorry, what? by glwtta · · Score: 4, Funny

    test versions of Thusnelda pulling ahead of h264 in terms of objective quality as bitrate increases

    Please tell me that's not an actual product name.

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  6. Fighting the money machine never works!! by erroneus · · Score: 1, Funny

    What happened when GIF patents threatened just about everything on the internet? PNG... and we all know how well that caught on... you've probably never even heard of PNG right?

    1. Re:Fighting the money machine never works!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Choosy moms choose GIF.

    2. Re:Fighting the money machine never works!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nope, and as a developer for Internet Explorer, I thought I'd heard of every image format already!

  7. "But I'm Richard Stallman." "Oh, Okay then" by xiphmont · · Score: 4, Funny

    To be fair, the whole thing is part of 'the Ogg Project'. Saying 'Theora is Ogg' is not actually incorrect, and it might get you laid at parties.

    No need to be such a stickler, here have a beer.

    1. Re:"But I'm Richard Stallman." "Oh, Okay then" by soundguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Saying 'Theora is Ogg' is not actually incorrect, and it might get you laid at parties.

      I'm fairly certain that I would not WANT to get laid at most parties where video codecs are being discussed and debated.

      /sausage festival

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  8. RIAA statistical methods.... by rts008 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Talk to average users, and ask them "what is a flac file?", and "what is a wav file?", then ask them "which one would you use to record audio?". 99.999% would say "wav".

    Actually, that percentage of your 'average users' would just *blink* with glazed over eyes...and not have a clue what you are talking about.
    I say this after having worked tech support for Creative Labs, dealing with mp3 players and your 'average users.

    Now I will agree that more 'average users' will recognise a *.wav file as a sound file compared to recognising a *.flac file as a sound file...if we leave 'lossless' and other qualifiers out of the equation.

    But 99.999%????...'average users'???
    Hah! I would not touch that statistic with a bleach-soaked 10 foot pole, because I know where you pulled it from, and it's drawing flies already, because it stinks so bad!

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  9. Re:Still doesn't mean much by mgblst · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know what else is a niche market, PCs. Most people in the world don't own one, so it is a niche market. And you know what isn't a niche market, stupid fucking wankers talking shit.