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Red Flayer writes "Popular Mechanics is running a story that describes one of the more interesting explanations for the Tunguska explosion of 1908: 'Now, a controversial new scientific study suggests that a chunk of a comet caused the 5-10 megaton fireball, bouncing off the atmosphere and back into orbit around the sun. The scientists have even identified a candidate Tunguska object — now more than 100 million miles away — that will pass close to Earth again in 2045.' Note that Popular Mechanics' definition of 'close to' is somewhat different than most people's — the comet will be 3.8 million miles away at its closest. At any rate, the key to this theory is that hydrogen and oxygen in the ice shard exploded upon entering the atmosphere, resulting in the difficult-to-explain blast pattern (previous theories contend that the object must have 'skipped' on the atmosphere and then re-entered at the exact same spot). This would also, sadly, dash the theory that Nikola Tesla was responsible."

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  1. IOW by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The sun's trying to start a snowball fight.

  2. Fools! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was the great Nikola Tesla who summoned the comet in the first place!

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    1. Re:Fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, Tesla summons you!

       
       
       
       
       
       

      Please don't kill me.

    2. Re:Fools! by owlnation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nikola Tesla destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognized the element of surprise.
      (with apologies to Chuck Norris)

    3. Re:Fools! by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 5, Funny

      In fact, Nikola Tesla's chief weapon was surprise. And fear.

      His two weapons were fear and surprise. And ruthless efficiency.

      His three weapons were fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency. And an almost fanatical devotion to alternating power.

      I'll come in again...

  3. incredible artist rendition by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This artist's rendition of the explosion graced the back cover of this month's The Planetary Report (from The Planetary Society). It illustrates how the bolide likely blew up above the ground and hence produced no crater. The artist is Don Davis.

    1. Re:incredible artist rendition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      General Hammond painted that?

    2. Re:incredible artist rendition by erpbridge · · Score: 4, Informative

      Note... That's Don Davis, not to be confused with Don Davis, aka General Hammond from SG1.

      Although, I do believe that somewhere in the SG1 mythos it was suggested that Tunguska was either a failed Asgard or Goa'uld experiment, or that it was a weapons blast from orbit by a Ha'tak mothership.

      Not that that has anything to do with this article or anything....

    3. Re:incredible artist rendition by Kenz0r · · Score: 2, Funny

      You've shown that there are only two degrees of separation between Don Davis and Don Davis.

      Now how many degrees is Don Davis from Kevin Bacon?

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  4. Re:This is new and controversial? by e9th · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe you did. Were you in Siberia in 1908?

  5. Could have been a huge deal. by mister_playboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this is one of the great what-ifs of recent history... what if this event took place in a populated area, rather than in the Siberian woodlands? We still don't know what happened today, so how would people have dealt cognitively with it back in 1908 if thousands or even millions had died?

    I find it intriguing to consider.

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    1. Re:Could have been a huge deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The same way that they did when various plagues (Spanish Flu 1918, Black Death 1350) , enemy attacks (WW2 on all sides, Coventry, Dresden, Berlin, London, Tokyo & Hiroshima ).

      People cope with it in various ways. Mass death is nothing new, unfortunately.

    2. Re:Could have been a huge deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if Siberia were a great metropolis before this? Don't believe the lies!

    3. Re:Could have been a huge deal. by mister_playboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The main distinction of this event would have been the sudden impact of it... total destruction in the blink of an eye; whichis distinct from the slow "creeping death" of a plague. Unlike war, this would obviously seem to not be the work of human foes... what would the cause be ascribed to? God? Aliens? Would people be okay with the cause being "improbable interstellar event"?

      I just think it could have greatly impacted the values of the 20th century... would science be more important? Would people be even more superstitious? There are lots of possibilities.

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    4. Re:Could have been a huge deal. by smoker2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What would the Japanese have thought of Hiroshima if the US hadn't told them what it was ? This was 1908 not 1608. They did have some idea, they even went looking for the iron from the meteorite.

    5. Re:Could have been a huge deal. by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Had it hit a heavily populated area we would have a lot more data than a bunch of trees in the middle of nowhere and the reports from peasants. It was over a decade before a scientist went out there- Russian mineralogist Leonid Kulik in 1921 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event. I would say there is a strong chance we would know what the thing actually was, which would allow for a calmer reaction than uneducated peasants fearing the apocalypse.

      Now, if it hit a major city during the cold war, it may have triggered a nuclear holocaust...

    6. Re:Could have been a huge deal. by adavies42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      at which point he'd been hanging around various parts of western russia and eastern europe for nearly forty years....

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    7. Re:Could have been a huge deal. by kmike · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alas - Lenin was in Geneva in 1908. Hardly Western Russia, or even Eastern Europe.

      BTW, I think the GP means that if the explosion was off a few hours, it would have happened almost exactly over St. Petersburg - a capital of Russia back then.

  6. Wait a minute... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

    all these comet theories are great, but how to they explain the extra Carbon 14 found in tree rings in that area, for that year? (The trees that hadn't been blown down, of course.)

    Source: Encyclopedia Britannica

  7. They knew what it was... by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Japanese were well aware of what had happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They had people working on an atomic bomb as well but they were barely scratching the surface of what needed to be done as they just did not have the industrial capacity.

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  8. There's nothing mysterious about the impact shape by kmike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was shown back in 1966 that the butterfly shape of the fallen trees may be caused by the several explosions combined with the ballistic wave.

    The Russian researchers built a model of the site (1:10000), with explosion modeled by an explosive cord with an explosive charge at the end. The forest model was built from the tiny flexible wires with plastic crowns.

    They have shown that placing the cord at some inclination angle (close to 30 degrees) the impact shape was clearly resembling the butterfly shape of Tunguska event.

    The abstract (in Russian) is here:
    http://tunguska.tsc.ru/ru/science/conf/1966/zotkin/

  9. The host planet - electrolysis by IntentionalStance · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The FA talks about the comet having a 'host planet' around which it orbited long enough for the 'host planet's' magnetic field to electrolyse the water in the comet into hydrogen and oxygen. It was the ignition of the hydrogen that is claimed to have causes the explosion. Possible of course but it seems a bit of a stretch to me. Occam's razor and all.

  10. Sorry Everyone by dayton967 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was me, that day I had 2 bean burritos, and happened to be in the area when I had a major attack of gas. And the extinction of the dinosaurs that was me again. I really need to stop it with the bean burritos but they are just so damn good.

    1. Re:Sorry Everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That still doesn't explain the semen bubbles that erupt from your anus every time you fart.

  11. Re:Why so feeble? by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 2, Informative

    I never heard anything about the Germans not having the resources to build an a-bomb, but the Japanese had been prosecuting a war for some years before the americans intervened. This left them at a disadvantage.

    From wikipedia:

    "Over the course of the Pacific War, the economies of Japan and its occupied territories all suffered severely. Inflation was rampant; prices in Japan in 1944 were 3.25 times higher than in 1936.[citation needed] Japanese heavy industry, forced to devote nearly all its production to meeting military needs, was unable to meet the commercial requirements of Japan (which had previously relied on trade with Western countries for their manufactured goods). Local industries were unable to produce at high enough levels to avoid severe shortfalls. Furthermore, maritime trade, upon which the Empire depended greatly, was sharply curtailed by damage to the Japanese merchant fleet over the course of the war. From a fleet of 6,000,000 tonnes of shipping in 1941, Japan was reduced to one of 2,000,000 tonnes by 1944.[citation needed]

    By the end of the war, what remained of the Japanese Empire was wracked by shortages, inflation, and currency devaluation. Transport was nearly impossible, and industrial production in Japan's shattered cities ground to a halt. The destruction wrought by the war eventually brought the Japanese economy to a virtual standstill."

    Of course, every sentence says "citation needed" after it, its up to you to either accept it at face value or google around and verify it, but that seems like a plausible explanation.

    It seems wierd that money would really be a bar to making a nuke - i would have thought that the quantum physicists would be a more crucial resource than buildings and materials.

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  12. Re:Why so feeble? by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course, every sentence says "citation needed" after it

    Actually, its pretty accurate. Japan was hurting economically before the war even began. The USA stopped selling Japan raw materials, like steel and oil were cut off, and in response the Japanese extended the imperial drive into the resource rich pacific.

    But even then you have to keep in mind that the industrial japan of world war II was nowhere near the industrial japan of today. The GDP of Japan was a fraction of that of the USA and to some extent the Japanese Navy headed into 1941 was built up over the years by accumulating a bunch of different classes of warships. On the other hand the USA of then was not the USA of today. Back in those days the USA was a protectionist industrial powerhouse, rather than a free trading banking state.

    A great web site maps out the economic disparity between the two:

    http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm

    Some things are just amazing... like, just look at how many Essex class aircraft carriers, aircraft, and battleships the USA built. Everyone raves about the Japanese 70,000 ton Yamato, but there are some Navy fans out there that say the USS Iowa class could probably come out ahead in that fight, there were four of those versus two Yamatos.. and, if it had been a battleship war, and the Iowa couldn't do it, then the Montana would.

    But as it was it was a carrier war. We build 25 Essex Class carriers, the Japanese a fraction of that. We build more than 300,000 aircraft, the Japanese a fraction of that. We have radar. The Japanese don't. We have self sealing fuel tanks. The Japanese don't.

    The Japanese had no shot to win that war.

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