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MPAA Says Teachers Should Camcord For Fair Use

unlametheweak recommends an Ars Technica piece detailing the convoluted lengths to which the MPAA will go in order to keep anybody from ripping a DVD, ever. The organization showed a film to the US Copyright Office, in the triennial hearing to spell out exemptions to the DMCA, giving instructions for how a teacher could use a camcorder to record a low-quality clip of a DVD for educational use — even though such a purpose is solidly established in law as fair use. "Never mind that this solution results in video of questionable quality and requires teachers to learn even more tech in order to get the job done. It also requires schools (or, given the way most schools are run, the teachers themselves) to incur additional costs to purchase camcorders and videotapes if they don't have them already. Add in the extra time involved, and this 'solution' is a laughably convoluted alternative to simply ripping a clip from a DVD."

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  1. Camcorder? Yeah right. by eggman9713 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nah, can't do that, teacher might use the camcorder to videotape students in the locker room.

  2. well that explains it... by grapeape · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I know what that guy was doing behind me while I was watching Star Trek yesterday. He was just making a clip for fair use.

    1. Re:well that explains it... by BobSixtyFour · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wish I had an awesome teacher like that. Going into the movie theater in the name of education to capture a clip in the discussion about:

      "the use of special effects in modern star trek movie VS the original movies."

      That and a > 9000 word essay.

    2. Re:well that explains it... by WebScud · · Score: 5, Informative

      In a senior year class we actually used the leaked direct feed bootleg of Episode II to compare the CG to original trilogy and discuss the evolution of technology in film.

  3. This just in: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to the MPAA, it is a-okay to use a camcorder to record a movie!

  4. Kind of like... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

    requiring you to defend yourself from a wild boar with a knife, even if you have a gun, just because it is not legal to have a gun where you live. (Even if you don't happen to have a knife.)

    BTW, like the MPAA, wild boars are vicious.

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    1. Re:Kind of like... by cheftw · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are several varieties of "wild boar" (at least in N. America). Some are viscous...

      God help us all

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  5. For starters by DarkNinja75 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It might help if we didn't call it "ripping."

  6. The MPAA went on to say that by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Teachers may also make partial copies of a CD for education purposes by recording to a vinyl record and playing it back on a phonograph.

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    1. Re:The MPAA went on to say that by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Teachers may also make partial copies of a CD for education purposes by recording to a vinyl record and playing it back on a phonograph.

      It appears that part of the rationale behind the MPAA doing this is:
      1) To keep any copies (copied fair-use clips, no less) of marginal quality so as to increase the (theoretical) value of an actual DVD. Dubious logic here, if that is part of the reasoning. If that were the case they could more logically argue to keep low quality copies (in general) of MPAA IP legal for educational purposes, no matter how it is derived (from ripping software or through cam-cording).
      2) Try and prevent the spread of DVD-circumvention devices. Dubious logic again since it would probably be more efficient to by an extra DVD (or use the original if possible) and just bookmark the appropriate scenes for classroom viewing rather than to buy blank tape and maintain video equipment. Of course you can't un-invent DeCSS, nor can the MPAA go back in time and assassinate DVD Jon or people like him, so trying to stop DVD copying is fruitless and will only punish people and hinder schools, etc from making back-ups, fair-use clips, etc. The logic here is as senseless as the people who want to fight the War on Drugs.
      3) They've already argued against cam-cording in non-educational settings (like movie-theaters), so it seems like they just have too much time and money on there hands and just want to be difficult. These are people who have power, and want to get as much out of it as they can. They seem to be enjoying themselves. My two cents here.

    2. Re:The MPAA went on to say that by soundguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are either trolling or seriously retarded.

      Standard audio cassette tape travels at 1 7/8 ips (inches of tape per second past the heads) and is complete and total SHIT. No amount of DBS/Dolby "magic" and expensive playback electronics can fix that. Audio cassettes have the lowest fidelity of any analog format in history and only the mega-stoned could tolerate listening to them. 8-tracks ran at 3 3/4 ips. Twice as fast. That means twice the headroom, twice the high frequency information, and half the tape noise. Consumer reel-to-reel ran at 3 3/4 and 7 1/2 ips for another doubling of quality. Semi-pro machines ran at 7 1/2 and 15 ips. Pro machines ran at 15 and 30 ips. (at $200 per reel for 2" multitrack tape, studios didn't run at 30ips much, usually just for jazz and classical)

      The number of heads above 3 had fuck-all to do with anything. Having separate heads for playback, recording, and erase allowed the magnetic gap to be optimized for a single task. Cassettes were 2-sided and expensive decks often had more heads but only so you didn't have to flip the tape or move the heads to play the other side. It was still a $100 saddle on a $10 horse.

      Cassette tape is so insanely inferior to vinyl that I won't even dignify your comparison by responding. I'm guessing your only experience with a turntable involved mangled children's records on a battery-operated "record player" adorned with Disney characters.

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  7. In related news by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 5, Funny

    ThePirateBay.org registers the domain TheTeacherBay.org

  8. Ridiculous, but somewhat scary. . . by MistaE · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was one of the few people that had the pleasure (or the displeasure) of being at the Library of Congress DMCA hearing room when the MPAA made this ridiculous argument. Suffice to say, I was completely shocked, flabbergasted, and just plain insulted that educators would truly be expected to do something like this in their bizarro world. Nevermind the fact that you would need an HDTV, HD Camcorder, Tripod, good lighting, and tons of time on your hands to manually create compilation clips with your camcorder (as if educators had any free time as it is).

    I couldn't tell if the Copyright bigwigs that heard the argument were actually taking it seriously, but I sincerely hope that any appearance of sincerity was simply there for the sake of keeping respect for the hearings.

    The one thing that I learned at the hearing was that you have to be fucking crazy in order to be a lawyer on their side. Even I (a soon to be unemployed law school graduate) didn't think that I could make this argument with a straight face even for tons of money.

    1. Re:Ridiculous, but somewhat scary. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even I (a soon to be unemployed law school graduate) didn't think that I could make this argument with a straight face even for tons of money.

      Don't worry, you'll learn.

  9. Re:It doesn't matter what the MPAA says by pwizard2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry about double-posting, but I just remembered something else: how would the teacher's union react to this? I'm not very fond of unions, but this time it would be a good thing to have on our side. The teachers union holds quite a bit of clout in government and they probably wouldn't put up with BS like this. Their argument would probably be something along the lines of that teachers are [rightfully] too busy to waste their time recording movies with a camcorder just to please the movie industry. The MPAA would probably back down even if they got their way and then had to take on the unions.

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  10. I can't wait by Moleculo · · Score: 5, Funny

    until Star.Trek.(2009).Mr.BeRNaRD.3rdPeRIod.SoCiALSTudiES.avi hits the scene.

  11. Re:It doesn't matter what the MPAA says by twidarkling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, it's the DMCA that's the issue, not Fair Use.

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  12. Re:"ripping", the word is visceral, "copy" is not by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 5, Funny

    'jena se qua'

    Who is that, a French porn star? The phrase you are looking for is je ne sais quoi.

  13. Re:MPAA Graciousness and Generosity by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're not going to say anything.

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