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Warrantless GPS Tracking Is Legal, Says WI Court

PL/SQL Guy writes "A Wisconsin appeals court ruled Thursday that police can attach GPS trackers to cars to secretly track anybody's movements without obtaining search warrants. As the law currently stands, the court said police can mount GPS on cars to track people without violating their constitutional rights — even if the drivers aren't suspects. Officers do not need to get warrants beforehand because GPS tracking does not involve a search or a seizure, wrote Madison Judge Paul Lundsten."

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  1. True, but ... by PPH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... it was dark, this guy was attaching a device to the underside of my truck that looked like a bomb. So I shot him.

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    1. Re:True, but ... by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Much more fun to call the bomb squad.

      1 Cop putting $1k GPS tracker on your vehicle, $50.

      6 man EOD team response, more like $10k. What are they going to do, NOT respond when you call about a potential bomb on your car?

      Then keep the tracker if you can(just remove the batteries).

      Otherwise, if you can get an excuse, visit a military base during an exercise where they do a search. Bring a book. It might take a while. I figure 50-50 they end up blowing it up. Also fun - they'll probably terminate the exercise.

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  2. New law? by DownWithMedia1.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds like a crazy decision, but the WI judge isnt making any new law here (not that the law is correct.) In fact, police have always been able to do this, because citizens have "no reasonable expectation of privacy" when they are in public. 4th amendment law rarely protects anyone when they are outside in public, with the rare exceptions of when their bags or persons are protected from search and/or seizure (that is, if a search or seizure has occurred.) If you are interested more in this crackpot area of the law, see US v. Katz and its wide ranging progeny, especially US v. Knotts (electronic tracking devices, no reasonable expectation of privacy in your location).

  3. Re:But... by 1729 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How can warrantless GPS tracking be legal while warrantless car searching is illegal.

    Police don't need a warrant to follow a car, and in my opinion, GPS tracking is more akin to tailing a car than searching through it. I'm not thrilled by this ruling, but it doesn't seem blatantly unconstitutional.

  4. Not a meaningfull decision by alljake · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a lawyer in Wisconsin, I can tell you that this decision is pretty meaningless. I have had several cases go to the court of appeals (this court) and you almost always lose there on novel issues like this one. Til the WI supreme court rules takes this and rules or denies further appeal, this is not news. For some reason our CoA's don't like making big splashes, they will almost always just side with the state.

  5. Re:But... by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So when/if I find such a device on my car it belongs to me doesn't it? And I'm not giving it back. And I'm not paying any bill they send me.

  6. Re:But... by ray-auch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In some places, and for some people, standard advice if you find a "device" attached to your car is to call out the bomb (disposal) squad...

    Now doing that for a police gps tracker is going to waste a lot of police time but finding an unknown device under your car is legitiamte reason to call them out. In the US you could probably then sue them for emotional distress or something for thinking someone has put a bomb under your car. That would probably be more lucrative than ebaying the tracker as well...

  7. Wrong Amendment. It's Due Process - 5th Amendment. by Telephone+Sanitizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since the police are using his own property (the vehicle) for a public purpose (the tracking/investigation), they need at least probable cause and more likely a warrant to satisfy both procedural and substantive due process. If you read the article, you should take notice that this was essentially the argument that the ACLU spokesperson made without explicitly mentioning the 5th Amendment.

    There's also an "unreasonable interference" due process argument.

    Unfortunately, failing to raise the appropriate argument in the lower court may be construed as a waiver unless the defendant can demonstrate incompetent council.

    'Poor (evil stalker) guy is probably screwed.

  8. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When over time GPS tracking becomes "normal observational techniques", would the police not then be able to ticket the driver for speeding? Right now a police cruiser that is tailing someone can give them a ticket for speeding. If GPS tracking is thought of as the same as tailing, why would it be different. Right now people may see a difference, how about in 10 years? how about 25 years?

    Right now there is a limit on how many people can be trailed by a cruiser based on actual numbers of the police force. How does this translate to GPS tracking? Seems like some over zealous politician could get thru funding to have one tracker per citizen.

  9. Re:But... by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Police have always been able to 'tail' suspects. I feel this is no different.

    Except that tailing you does not need them to "secretly attach a GPS device" on your property. Yep. Not different at all.

    How about skipping the car and implanting the tracker on, say, your shoulder? Or if that's too invasive, require you to carry the device at all times?

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  10. Re:But... by oneirophrenos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or better yet, putting GPS on police cars.

    This is actually a very good idea. With all these invasions of privacy imposed on citizens, the police should be subjected to such surveillance as well. How about civilian squads monitoring the movements and actions of police units? Think of it as a kind of inverted neighbourhood watch. Whenever a cop roughs someone up, a police-watcher would be there with a camera to put it all on tape. Try to negate that in court!

  11. Re:But... by SpeedyDX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You'd think video evidence would be enough to expose and convict police officers on a power trip. But a look at the Robert Dziekanski case that many Canadians have been following for the past year and a half shows otherwise. There is a video of the incident that has been made public by a witness at the scene. Immediately after the incident, the RCMP made multiple statements that were blatantly inconsistent with the video evidence (e.g., it was originally claimed that Dziekanski kept throwing objects around after the RCMP arrived, which was conclusively shown to be false by the video.) and testimony from other emergency response personnel (e.g., the RCMP claimed that an officer was properly monitoring Dziekanski's vitals until medical help arrived. It turned out that the officer in question did not renew his expired first aid certification, and a fireman later testified that the RCMP officers barred him from any attempt to check Dziekanski's vitals.). The Crown prosecutors opted to not pursue criminal charges related to the death of Robert Dziekanski. There is an inquiry investigating the circumstances in the case that is currently underway, but the prosecutors have thus far maintained that there is no reasonable prospect of conviction. In fact, the RCMP threatened not to participate in the inquiry until the Crown decided whether or not to pursue criminal charges.

    Of course, the whole situation has not been resolved yet, as the judge overseeing the inquiry may be able to make recommendations based on his findings. But this situation has left many Canadians with very shaky feelings about the RCMP force as a whole.

    And to drive the point home even further: They don't have to negate video evidence in court if they can keep it out of court.