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SGI Lives On, In Name At Least

Hugh Pickens writes "In a surprise corporate move, after Rackable Systems received bankruptcy court approval on April 30 to close its purchase of SGI, the company announced on Monday that the deal had closed and that the combined company would be called SGI — short for Silicon Graphics International instead of the original Silicon Graphics Inc. The revival of the SGI brand will certainly please people in Silicon Valley with a historical bent, as SGI has been one of the area's true icons. However, some consider this a curious turn of events, considering that Rackable has come to represent the new guard in the server market, while SGI has struggled for years. Executives hope the name change will help it expand its business overseas, where SGI is a better-known brand. The new SGI will also continue to develop and support the high-performance computing systems that Silicon Graphics was known for, says Rackable's president and CEO. 'There should be no disruption to Silicon Graphics customers.'"

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  1. Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by jimicus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's see - Caldera bought the remains of SCO, rebranded themselves SCO and tried to carry on with SCOs business model - which had already been shown to be at deaths' door as it was.

    Sounds very similar. What next? SGI sues everyone who uses Linux?

    1. Re:Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by A12m0v · · Score: 2, Interesting

      let's hope they embrace Linux and opensource IRIX.

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    2. Re:Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by bsdaemonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They've pretty much already done this. The last major release of IRIX was in 1998. They stopped selling MIPS IRIX in 2006 and end-of-life for MIPS IRIX is 2013. Though they specifically state MIPS IRIX I can't find any mention of continuing versions based on other architectures. Not to mention, very few people wanted to run IRIX outside of SGI systems. So in effect, IRIX is currently stagnant beyond minor patches and will soon be completely dropped. They do, on the other hand, offer linux on all their new systems and have been doing so for years. They make some claims as to have "given back" to the linux community but I'm not sure how true that is. I doubt they'll ever opensource IRIX, it's a dinosaur and very likely it would die out as quickly as OpenDarwin. There is barely room for new opensource operating systems out there, much less ones that haven't been significantly updated in 10 years.

    3. Re:Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by Byzantine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably the "giving back" is a reference to XFS. They may have given more, but nothing else that I'm aware of has been high-profile.

    4. Re:Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by MrMr · · Score: 5, Informative

      They make some claims as to have "given back" to the linux community
      Well, they were the first to port Linux to a serious parallel architecture. Still not many vendors that will support a 512-core and 1-kernel system...
      About the giving back: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ if you want to check

    5. Re:Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by toxygen01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      IRIX license comes with your machine. You don't have to buy another one (aside from fact they wouldn't sell it to you). Just get install media (support.sgi.com for instance - last free offered overlay is 6.5.22). though, you will have to have 6.5 original install media. In this case I can only advise eBay or torrent (demonoid has one nice 2.5gb torrent with all 6.5 stuff + more).

    6. Re:Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by dwater · · Score: 2, Informative

      When most people talk about IRIX, they're really talking about the GUI, which is 4Dwm, and there's an on-going porting effort here.

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    7. Re:Didn't Caldera do something similar with SCO? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of Cingular purchasing AT&T, then rebranding as AT&T. Cingular had a lot of goodwill for its excellent pricing, good coverage, and top notch service*. AT&T was seen as a dinosaur that was stuck in the past. They offered lousy pricing, terrible coverage, and some of the worst service in the industry.

      Result? Cingular took all their goodwill and flushed it down the toilet in exchange for a brand name that no one wanted to have as their carrier. Even worse, their service took a nosedive after the merger, leading to a LOT of irate customers. Absolutely brilliant. :-/

      * For a cellular company, anyway. We have to speak in relative terms here. :-P

  2. Recognition is not the same as approval by SirGarlon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although the SGI "brand" is still widely recognized, I am not convinced it has a lot of value. After all, if SGI had a whole lot of happy customers (left) then it would not be in the situation of being sold to WhatsItsName.

    I am not sure I would want to chance the name of my company to something that makes people say, "Oh, wow, you're still around?" (especially given that I work for one of those)

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    1. Re:Recognition is not the same as approval by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fanbase is never about what is currently happening to their object of worship. Fans are about what was in the glory days when they became infatuated with that object.

      I remember glory days of SGI when it was an amazing graphics workstation. I remember looking at stereopairs of new protein folds in InsightII.

      They were top of the notch graphics workstations and as a fan I am quite excited that the brand is kept.

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  3. Customer awareness by BESTouff · · Score: 5, Funny
    'There should be no disruption to Silicon Graphics customers'.

    Yes. Both of you.

  4. Re:State of IRIX? by DavidChristopher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this mean IRIX will be developed again? I'm not seeing any info one way or the other.

    As a Linux and BSD guy, I'm pretty ignorant about IRIX other than the MIPS support. Does IRIX do anything innovative that makes developing it worthwhile?

    No. And I'm fairly certain of that.

    IRIX was discontinued in 2006 by SGI - http://www.sgi.com/support/mips_irix.html - and most of the cool technical features of IRIX were ported over to Linux ages ago - like xfs http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/. Actually, the correct question is will this new, improved and revived SGI continue to support the open source efforts of the old SGI regime? http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ . I don't see a point in reviving IRIX, but there was a lot of OSS work done out of that shop and I'd hate to see it disappear. Right?

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  5. If only ... by lucag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Compaq had changed its name to Digital when it still had time ...

    [just being nostalgic and wondering who had the "bright" idea to dump development of the Alpha line in favour of ia64 ! ]

    1. Re:If only ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Posting anonymously 'cos I was involved.

      The killing of the Alpha was a rather long and tortured affair. It also was a really sad day when the people who made the decision had to accept that their architecture was dead.

      Let's be honest here, I loved the Alpha and it was a phenomenal architecture for its time. However, by 1998 its time was actually ending anyway. Realistically, other CPU architectures like MIPS were chomping at our heels in our opinion. They were rapidly catching up with us in terms of performance for the cost of the CPU fabbing (note that I said cost, not retail price).

      We had started work on a next generation architecture shortly before Compaq came in, but we never could quite get the performance out of it that we felt we needed to keep ahead of the next generation of competitor's CPU's. We wanted to define a 5 year architecture; one that could scale rapidly in performance while keeping our development costs relatively low... but as we started to work on it we realized already that it was going to be really hard to create even a 3 year architecture, let alone 5.

      By the time Compaq came in, there was already rumbling in the halls that Alpha was in trouble... this wasn't news to anyone. As a result, when Compaq did arrive and told us their plans we basically had only one realistic choice; shutter the Alpha division.

      If we'd moved ahead with the next gen architecture, it would've been the Alpha equivalent of a Pentium 4; kludged to improve clock speed at the expense of creating an architecture that was fundamentally a dead end at day 1. Intel could soak this up because of volume... DEC never had a chance. We didn't sell that kind of volume, ever... and we didn't have the marketing muscle to catch up. As a result, we couldn't create an "Alpha IV"... it would've killed us anyway.

      In the opinion of those who were present at the meetings when the future direction was set, Alpha wasn't killed, rather it was euthanized. It was better to go out in a blaze of glory than to fade into irrelevance.

      On the bright side, many of the engineers I used to work with now have great jobs that they love... some working for Intel, but many working in what they love; small boutique CPU's and embedded systems.

  6. Logo usage by Xargle · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like this: http://www.rackable.com/sgi/sgi_logo_guidelines6.pdf ...extremely specific usage and typesetting guidelines for the new logo which are then comprehensively broken by the last page of the same document :)

  7. Re:First.. by rackserverdeals · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rackable is a small server vendor with revenues in the hundreds of millions while they big boys in that space (HP, IBM, Dell, Sun) are in the billions.

    They build x86 based rack servers. They're focus seems to have been in high density rack systems. I think one of their first/biggest innovation was creating a half depth chassis so you could put two servers back to back in a 1u space leaving a hot air plenum in the middle to keep things from getting overheated. They also have 12V Motherboards like Google uses on their systems.

    The goal of Rackable isn't to sell you one x86 server, it's to give you a solution including a rack full of their servers. That seems to have also been the focus of SGI lately. They went from big single systems to clustered super computers. So the deal appears to make sense. I'm sure there's a lot of good talent and patents that Rackable could use to help it become a bigger player.

    In 2007 Rackable's 4 biggest clients were Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon and Facebook.

    The name change might be good because SGI is a more recognizable name in the industry. I think some people see Rackable as an x86 server vendor but they're really a server farm vendor.

    The past couple of years haven't been great for Rackable with some pretty big losses in proportion to their revenue so they need to make some bigger moves and this might do the trick.

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  8. fsn and fsv file managers by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was that 3d filesystem navigator that was used in the Jurassic Park movie.

    That was fsn, which has been cloned.

  9. Re:Faux pais? by rackserverdeals · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean SGI is or was an icon in high-end graphics and workstations, not a web-hosting company.

    Rackable isn't a web hosting company, you are likely confusing them with RackSpace.

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  10. Re:State of IRIX? by j1mmy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Everything SGI has sold over the last couple years runs linux.

  11. Re:State of IRIX? by rackserverdeals · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The best thing SGI ever sold though (back in 1997) ran Solaris. Too bad they didn't realize what they were selling.

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  12. BRING BACK THE CHROME CUBE LOGO by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously. That's all we really want. Chrome cube on a purple case.

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    1. Re:BRING BACK THE CHROME CUBE LOGO by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ugh, those damn things were ugly. They may have been built like tanks, but taking one apart was like trying to solve a Rubik's cube. (an angled case fan?!) One has to be extra careful when pulling out the graphics card because it was easy to catch its cap on the frame and rip it right off!

      The Oxygen and O2 were far more elegant designs. I wished that regular PCs had that kind of setup (the CPU and boards were covered with massive heatsinks but no dedicated fans, but the chassis had two huge master fans keeping the whole thing cool). And all SGI machines were very picky about their hardware. Sometimes solving a hanging boot meant changing the DIMMS around.

  13. Re:SGI Logo by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would pry the logos off of the SGI rackmount servers. My dell at work was an SGI after that

    Soon as I get around to scrapping one of the E250 servers at work, my car is becoming a Sun. I've got an Alphaserver carcass somewhere in the server room, so it might even become a Digital tomorrow.

  14. Re:Faux pais? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Informative

    They're an HPC company now, have been since Onyx was discontinued quite a while ago. The first generation of Altix had a graphics version (The Prism), but it used COTS graphics cards and was only ever modestly successful at making them work through their NUMALink backplane technology. In essence it was only ever useful because it could have a lot more CPUs than a PC of the day did. It's graphics were only so-so, but it could preprocess a lot of data before rendering it. Made it somewhat useful in scientific visualization. That was discontinued three years or so ago, and was pretty long in the tooth even then.

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  15. Suggestion: Silicon Racks by berbo · · Score: 5, Funny

    That might get peoples attention.

  16. Re:SGI Logo by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Funny

    My daughters Geo metro turned into a DELL powergeo

    I removed the big 3" DELL badges from the racks and bolted them in pace of the Geo ones on her car.. She get's strange comments from classmates all the time.

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