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Brain Scanning May Be Used In EU Security Checks

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from the Guardian: "Distinctive brain patterns could become the latest subject of biometric scanning after EU researchers successfully tested technology to verify identities for security checks. The experiments, which also examined the potential of heart rhythms to authenticate individuals, were conducted under an EU-funded inquiry into biometric systems that could be deployed at airports, borders and in sensitive locations to screen out terrorist suspects." The same article says that "The Home Office, meanwhile, has confirmed rapid expansion plans of automated facial recognition gates: 10 will be operating at major UK airports by August." I wonder what Bruce Schneier would have to say about such elaborate measures.

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  1. Next up: thought crime by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because we can (ab)use this technology to identify brain patterns of illegal behavior.
    The identification would be fool proof, but who cares when you can catch terrorists and pedophiles.

    1. Re:Next up: thought crime by MindKata · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Because we can (ab)use this technology"

      They seem determined to abuse technology as far as it can go. They need to learn that just because we now have ever more technology to abuse peoples privacy, that doesn't mean that's the right thing to keep on doing ever more. For example, just because we have the technology to knock down everyone's door, drag the people out of the house and strip search them in the road, that doesn't mean that's what everyone wants them to do. If they are just allowed to keep abusing technology as far as it can go, then we are walking into a horrific world. This abuse has to stop.

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    2. Re:Next up: thought crime by SpooForBrains · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly.

      All these attempts at automated biometric identification just need to stop, now. None of it works. Facial / Iris recognition is far too unreliable to be used in any sort of serious context. Not even fingerprint recognition works reliably (or we'd all be bloody using it).

      They need to stop pouring money down this black hole right now.

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    3. Re:Next up: thought crime by robably · · Score: 5, Insightful

      None of it works. ... They need to stop pouring money down this black hole right now.

      They need to stop now not because it doesn't work, but because eventually it will get to the point where it does work.

    4. Re:Next up: thought crime by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It works now, haven't you noticed?

      Since September 12, 2001, exactly zero passenger aircraft have flown into the World Trade Centre! That has to show that the system works!

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  2. Terrorist Brain Patterns by bigdaisy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do terrorists have distinctive brain patterns that would cause an alarm to go off?

    All this does is help to confirm that the passport holder is the person to whom the passport was issued. The 9/11 bombers would all have passed this test, as they were travelling on their own passports.

    1. Re:Terrorist Brain Patterns by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And even if they hadn't, passports are hackable anyhow. They can change all that information on both the paper and the chip.

      Also, how much work is it to keep thousands of brain scanners all calibrated the same?

      And finally, what about false positives/negatives? Sure, fingerprints are 'unique', but we only sample a few points... It's actually possible to be wrong. Same with DNA, etc etc. Why is this any different? In fact, it's worse... Brains CHANGE over time.

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    2. Re:Terrorist Brain Patterns by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My greatest issue with this scheme isn't the invasion of privacy. It's that the people who recommend it aren't nearly as intelligent as the parent comment poster.

      I don't even think this is an invasion of my privacy. I do, however, realise that it's a money soak, a sham, another prop in the security theatre.

      Sometimes I wish I didn't realise it. Then I wouldn't feel so ashamed to be part of this nation.

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  3. Yes! Psi cops! by Mendoksou · · Score: 5, Funny

    Using this in conjunction with the new Google Brain search should make spotting nefarious terrorists, murderers, drug traffickers and torrenters easy. The program should be run by Alfred Bester.

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  4. No fly list by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Funny

    This passenger has the sloping brow and cranial bumpage of a plane-jacking terrorist.

  5. Video Games FTW! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Distinctive brain patterns could become the latest subject of biometric scanning

    Time to start journeying to Wild Divine. Learn to change your mental state for fun and profit.

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  6. Enough is enough... by Manip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Enough security at airports, we get it, they're "safe." The real security threats are against soft targets with no protection at all. Any location with a large crowd is a target and they're also impossible to defend.

    I can see why you want fingerprints on passports, but all the insane stuff since then (e.g. "makes you naked" (Backscatter) child porno vision) is just over the top and adds an insanely small amount of additional protection.

    Let's remember:
    - All 9/11 passengers used valid ID
    - All recent terrorists have also used valid ID

    1. Re:Enough is enough... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      - There's no security before check-in, and many times more people to harm.

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    2. Re:Enough is enough... by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any location with a large crowd is a target

      Indeed - such as the queue of people waiting to be fingerprinted and brain-scanned...

  7. Yet they won't even take simple measures by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A former coworker who is a Syrian expatriate and I were talking about Islamic terrorism, and the conversation turned to Saudi Arabia. If you look at the profile of international Islamic terrorism, Saudi Arabia is disproportionately represented in terrorist groups around the world. I don't know if it's still true, but at its peak, half of the insurgents we killed in Iraq on any given day were Saudis.

    If Western countries simply prohibited Saudi nationals from staying for any length longer than a vacation or business trip, it'd be easier to keep out suspected Islamic terrorists. If Western governments would also start shutting down Saudi-financed mosques and Islamic schools, that'd be even better. The Saudis are funding the radicalization of Islam around the world, and we'd be doing the majority of Muslims a favor by targeting Saudi Arabia and Saudi nationals for very direct, special attention as the majority of Muslims would be left alone to live in peace if that's their desire.

    But of course the worst thing a Western government can do is to appear to be discriminating against someone for something, and to possibly even be limiting the expression of a religion, no matter how violently hostile and alien it is to the host society. We think we're taking the moral high ground when all we're doing is importing people who want to tear down our societies, and in the end we're hurting the honest immigrants who really want to flee that bullshit like my former coworker as much as we're hurting our own people.

    1. Re:Yet they won't even take simple measures by mc1138 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a fundamental flaw here, you assume that it would be just a matter of targeting Saudis. All this would do is make a smarter terrorist. Recruit from other countries, forge credentials, smuggle people in, or better yet attack targets outside our borders. I'm not against racial profiling on a moral standpoint, I'm against it on an effectiveness standpoint, because, simply put, it doesn't work. And neither will this brain scanning thing, people will find ways around it.

    2. Re:Yet they won't even take simple measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In Canada your post would be a violation of human rights and you would be sent to jail for it. They have already won, bow down to your Oil Producing Overlords.

    3. Re:Yet they won't even take simple measures by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We think we're taking the moral high ground when all we're doing is importing people who want to tear down our societies

      The point of a cultural melting pot is to take those people in and make them a part of the society, changing it and making it more worldly in the process. Unfortunately, we have done everything we can to be as isolated and insulated a global citizen as we can (as a nation) and most people still think affirmative action is something being done to benefit minorities.

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    4. Re:Yet they won't even take simple measures by Yacoby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Western countries simply prohibited Saudi nationals from staying for any length longer than a vacation or business trip, it'd be easier to keep out suspected Islamic terrorists. If Western governments would also start shutting down Saudi-financed mosques and Islamic schools, that'd be even better.

      We can't do that. Do you know how much oil comes from Saudi Arabia?

    5. Re:Yet they won't even take simple measures by canajin56 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hardly. If he called for the total, world encompassing genocide of all Muslims, he could in theory get 14 years maximum. In theory. As it stands, he was not calling for genocide, of Muslims, or even the deportation of Muslims, simply limiting the time they can stay in the country legally. So, baring calling for genocide, you'll have to settle on the lesser charge of inciting hatred. Since in Canada, truth is a defense, you cannot complain about his statement about the proportionality of Saudis involved in terror attacks, unless of course he's lying. Further, discussions about public policy or religious doctrine are also exempt. Since he's calling for a discussion on how to deal with the issue, he'd be immune even if he were more hard line.

      I'll summarize for you. In Canada, you cannot make speech that is "incites hatred". What does that mean? It's up to the courts to decide what inciting hatred means exactly. The courts have held that saying "The jews are a disease and Hitler was just trying to clean up the world" is "revolting, disgusting, and untrue" but not inciting hatred, and therefore overturned the $1000 fine against the journalist who wrote that.

      People love to rail against the hate crimes laws in Canada. The worst are the provincial ones. Saskatchewan's law is notoriously encompassing, and basically says you can't even say something that makes another group "uncomfortable" or feel "undignified". Fortunately, their provincial courts don't care about that bit, and tend to overturn anything that makes it to their desks. The only real issue is that you're not entitled to council during the tribunal, though of course you are if you want to appeal it to the courts, which is highly recommended.

      Never the less, in 32 years of Human Rights tribunals, there are perhaps a handful cases of them making a ruling against somebody for hate speech, and only 1 has held on appeal to the courts. People make a big hubbub about various Muslim groups filing complaints. Yes, the filed the complaints. Yes, the Human Rights Commission looked at the complaints. But they always dismiss it. Always! Besides that one neo-nazi who didn't even have to pay his fine, a few religious groups have been fined and had their fines overturned as well, all also in Sask. And the only hate speech conviction to ever be upheld, also in Sask, for distributing fliers showing various gruesome diseases saying they were God's punishment for homosexuality, and calling for the deaths or imprisonment of all gays. He also had fliers showing decapitated corpses saying "Islam is a religion of murder and Muhammad was a man of violence" and calling for preemptive violence against them, as well. I think he made it on the Daily Show after he finished 4th of 8 in a run for Mayor of Regina? Whenever people file complaints about magazine articles etc, the magazine doesn't care, the author doesn't care, and the Commission throws it out before it reaches the Tribunal. Despite the obnoxiously broad wording, the courts have always held the law to a much more reasonable standard of hatred. You'd be hard pressed to get in trouble over less than calling for actual violence and murder. Yes, if the OP had put his post in a magazine, then maybe the Muslim Council would file a complaint, just like if he said we should kick all the Jews out the ADL would file a complaint. But if history is any indication, the Human Rights Commission would dismiss the complaint before it ever got to the point where the magazine or author had to show up anywhere. And if for some reason they thought his post was MORE hateful than "Hitler was a hero and a saint!" the courts would certainly toss out the ensuing fine.

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  8. Could brain formatting be next? by xp · · Score: 4, Funny

    What if airport security accidentally invokes brainscan with the --format flag? Also, does this mean brains are open source now?
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    1. Re:Could brain formatting be next? by MadKeithV · · Score: 2, Funny

      My brain runs ReiserFS.
      On second thought, maybe that's not such a good idea.

  9. Medical benefits? by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    They'll have to up the minimum requirements for being the security check person from "some highschool" to "med school graduate"

    Now offering free prostate exams with every flight!

  10. Re:In Soviet America by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They seem determined to abuse technology as far as *the abuse* can go.

    Phrase: "Quantum of Terror"

    "Hmm. Our ID test runs on heartbeats, measured in a comfy lab with plush seats and chocolate mints. But we Don't Like This Guy.

    " 'Hey, you're a terrorist!!' "
    (Subject's heart races)
    "Oh look, he fails. He MUST be a terrorist! Wheee!"

    It's Schrodinger's Nightmare.

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  11. That's how theocracy works by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Saudi Arabia is disproportionately represented in terrorist groups around the world

    hmmm, I wonder how could that be?

    the majority of Muslims would be left alone to live in peace if that's their desire

    The problem is that a "moderate Muslim" is really an oxymoron. Islamic law very explicitly says that it *must* be applied to every circumstance in life, without exception.

    This situation is very well analyzed in this book. Islamic scholars like Sayyid Qutb have put the situation in the following terms:

    1) One must choose between evil or good

    2) If one chooses the path of good, one must be consisten in it

    This is a logical argument, no one can say anything against it. The problem is when people like Sayyid Qutb and his followers assume that "good" is equal to Islam, and any deviation from the strictest interpretation of Islam is evil.

    Unfortunately, this interpretation is consistent with a careful reading of the Quran.

    Differently from the Bible, which is a compilation of writings from different authors from many different times and places, the Quran was written in a short time at one place. The Bible has reports of historical and legendary events, intermixed with moral teachings. The Quran is mostly moral teachings alone.

    Reading the Quran leaves many people with a strong sense of duty to perform those acts, to lead a life of moral righteousness, much more than the Bible does because it's much more concentrated on the moral commandments. I have read a translation of the Quran and was impressed on how those commandments seem to be worded in such a stronger way than in the Bible.

    There are also some extremely radical Christians, it's true, but they have never reached such a high number of sympathizers as radical Muslims, at least not in the last few centuries.

    I believe that if someone want to be a Muslim without following the radical path, then he must make an effort to study and analyze the Quran, like the radicals have done, and try to verify in which manner the moderate interpretation can be validated by the text. It seems to me that the radicals have been more successful in putting forward their interpretation.

  12. Reality called by the_raptor · · Score: 2, Informative

    We can't read thoughts. Our current equipment is far too crude to even identify specific neural pathways. All we can do is detect electrical activity or oxygen use in *regions* of the brain. At best they might be able to determine you are (possibly) anxious or fearful. So about as useful for reading thoughts as a polygraph (aka not useful at all).

    I doubt we will ever be able to read thoughts because of the difficult of isolating neural pathways, and the fact that thoughts aren't encoded in a way we even understand. It isn't as simple as making a sensitive detector and then decoding a stream of data.

    IAAPS (I Am A Psychology Student).

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    1. Re:Reality called by MadKeithV · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pah, I can tell from all the way over here that you are thinking about Natalie Portman.

  13. Re:In Soviet America by MrMr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How do you mean revert back?

  14. US already uses this technology at the Capitol by z80kid · · Score: 2, Funny
    We already use this technology to safeguard admittance to our nation's capitol building.

    If brain activity is detected, then you are not a Senator.

  15. Re:thank you. by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >>>it ain't so bad.

    "The right of the People to be secure in their persons...... unless a warrant has been issued by oath....." The government is violating your body by making intimate scans of your internal organs. You might as well tattoo numbers on your skin, because the offense against your property (your body) is as severe.

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  16. Re:thank you. by jvkjvk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First, we have not even been able to eliminate the false positives from facial recognition ! How in the world do you propose to eliminate false positives from a pattern set that is orders of magnitude less understood than optics? I mean really, patterns of consciousness vs. patterns of light reflection seems like quite a jump.

    Second:

    We just need to make sure enough "good people" are descion makers in the new paradigm.

    The fact that you think this way scares me. Just re-read your own sentence a few times. Start thinking about Power and what types of people gravitate to power. Re-read your sentence again. Take a look at the world today. Re-read your sentence. How do you propose that we "make sure" enough "good people" are the decision makers? We seem to have done a pretty piss poor job of it even in the last 100 years, even in the past 20.

    Really, isn't that the ultimate crux of the world today? It will all work out if enough good people are decision makers, in government, industry and as individual citizens. Yet it turns out that those decision makers with the most power routinely put their own personal interests ahead of the good of the people they profess to serve.

    We are all human.

    Yes. But humanity has a wide range of available states of consciousness. Some of them clearly need de-populating. How do yo propose we screen these individuals from becoming decision makers? I know - lets use brain scanning techniques!

    oh, wait...