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French Assembly Adopts 3-Strikes Bill

An anonymous reader writes "After lots of turmoil, including a surprise rejection and a European amendment against it, Sarkozy's 3 strikes law has just been passed by the French Assembly [in French]: 'The first warning mails ... should be sent in the coming fall. In case of second offenders, the first disconnections should start beginning 2010.'"

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  1. Re:The French are in Full Retreat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I guess its easier to just take away all rights. Then all you have to do is support prisons. Easier to make sure no one breaks the rules if they are in a cell all day. We should just imprison the planet and be done with it. So much easier to manage.

  2. Not yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It has only passed the lower chamber. Now it has to be approved by the Senate with the exact same wording. In case a coma is changed, the assembly will have to debate, edit and vote again the law. Then it will have the pass the check of the constitutional council which could take down large chunks of the law. In other words, the battle is not over yet and the relief could come from Europe. Wait, fight, and see.

  3. Re:Does France even have baseball? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course they have it there. They don't call it the "World Series" because it's limited to the Americas~.

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  4. Re:France vs. EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is no such thing as "The EU Army". The EU is more like a council of countries and is nowhere near a central government. Yet.

  5. Re:Dispute resolution? by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Informative

    No. After your Highspeed connection has been terminated (without due process of law i.e. a jury trial), you're forced to go back to using the telephone lines for your internet (50 kbit/s dialup). Yay.

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  6. Re:France vs. EU by MrMr · · Score: 2, Informative

    The EU parliament has reverted the proposal to the secret meetings where the first version was created. At the moment there is therefore no EU rule to reject, and everybody can make up legislation for the highest bidder as usual.

  7. Re:The French are in Full Retreat by Jurily · · Score: 2, Informative
  8. For the Love of Bruni by Louis+Savain · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think that Carla Bruni, Sarkozy's wife and model/singer, is the real author of the bill. In fact, the two first met at a official function where Bruni had come to promote copyright enforcement and authors' rights. IMO, Sarkozy is just acting out of love for his wife. The man is dangerous.

  9. Re:The French are in Full Retreat by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Informative

    While I agree with the overall sentiment, there's one serious caveat in your example here:

    "You cannot justify charging 15$ to make a DVD copy of a movie when I can make the same copy, at the same quality level, for one cent. And when I purchase your DVD, from my point of view, I am paying somebody 15$ for making a copy for me. That's good, if your DVD is a luxury item. But for a common economy good? Not working."

    What you are doing is copying the data, not the physical DVD. It's the physical DVD that costs the bulk of that $15 price: The DVD itself (which is pressed, not burned onto a generic writable media as your version would be) with the silk-screened label, the plastic case and the outer jacket at a minimum. Even a blank DVD will cost you about 20 cents.

    This is not to suggest the physical media market isn't obsolete - but if you're going to complain about the costs you need to at least compare apples to apples: When you buy a DVD, you physically have a DVD.
    =Smidge=

  10. Re:The French are in Full Retreat by nonlnear · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except for the fact that the physical DVD is NOT "the bulk of that $15 price". Not by a long shot.

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  11. Ha ha ha! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Informative

    And funnily, as I said before, the first one to actually lose his first strike, was Sarkozy himself: http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE53R1V120090428

    I also proposed how to make him take his medicine own the two other times too. ^^

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  12. Re:"three strikes" by lgw · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sadle, this nerd site was written in Perl, which was a write-only language oddly popular in the 20th century. Perl scripts cannot be maintained, so they'd have to write Slashcode over again to add UTF-8 support (or add it back, didn't Slashcode support it briefly?).

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  13. Re:Encryption doesn't do much. by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 4, Informative

    Either this is done with something like onion routing, or sites like rapidshare are used as the intermediaries.

    These are completely different approaches. Both use "intermediaries", but nested encryption is inherent in onion routing (and similar protocols as used e.g. by I2P), and there is no need to trust those adjacent to you, since they never know who you're communicating with or what data you're transferring. A site like Rapidshare, on the other hand, can see the content being shared as well as the IP addresses of both the uploader and the downloaders, and is thus fully capable of betraying all those involved.

    There is also an additional incentive to participate in some onion-routing networks beyond the benefits of "background noise": the more bandwidth you make available to others, the better your own transfer rates become. (At least that's how I2P works.) It's rather similar to the incentive for seeding in BitTorrent itself.

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  14. And a brand new dual use for a botnet opens up.. by gwait · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh great, some smartass with a botnet could get all of France banned from the internet..

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  15. Re:A better question is... by loutr · · Score: 3, Informative

    bands could say "fill up this bank account to $100k and we'll release our new album"

    They already are. This french website allows you to listen to a new band/artist's music for free, and chip in if you like it. When it reaches 70,000 euros the artist can record and release an album. The people who put the money together are invited to special events like private concerts, and get payed if the record label (ie the website) makes a profit on the sales of the album.

    That's an awesome business model IMO, and it works : the (previously unknown) singer Gregoire released a successful album on this label, and is currently touring France. I guess the majors are scared shitless by this kind of initiatives, hence their purchase of a new law.