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Girl Who Named Pluto, At 11, Dies At 90

notthepainter notes the passing of the woman who, as an 11-year-old girl, named Pluto. "Frozen and lonely, Planet X circled the far reaches of the solar system awaiting discovery and a name. It got one thanks to an 11-year-old British girl named Venetia Burney, an enthusiast of the planets and classical myth. On March 14, 1930, the day newspapers reported that the long-suspected 'trans-Neptunian body' had been photographed for the first time, she proposed to her well-connected grandfather that it be named Pluto, after the Roman god of the underworld. Venetia Phair, as she became by marriage, died April 30 in her home in Banstead, in the county of Surrey, England. She was 90. ... More vexing to Mrs. Phair was the persistent notion that she had taken the name from the Disney character. 'It has now been satisfactorily proven that the dog was named after the planet, rather than the other way around,' she told the BBC. 'So, one is vindicated.' " Venetia's great-uncle Henry, who was a housemaster at Eton, had successfully proposed that the two dwarf moons of Mars be named Phobos and Deimos.

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  1. But Pluto's not even a planet! by bigjarom · · Score: 5, Funny

    How is this even a story? Maybe if she had named a REAL planet...

    1. Re:But Pluto's not even a planet! by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait a minute, so Pluto is not named after the dog in the Disney cartoons? So would that mean that Pluto's moon isn't actually named Goofy? Aw, hell... I guess I just got an F on that paper for my astronomy class.

    2. Re:But Pluto's not even a planet! by Col+Estrol · · Score: 5, Funny

      true, Pluto sure turned out to be a mickey mouse planet

    3. Re:But Pluto's not even a planet! by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it still has the name Venetia B. gave it, and it will still have that name even if Western civilization falls, for example in Japanese and Chinese it's "Netherworld King", translating her name by calling the god Pluto by his title. In a thousand years it's likely her name will have survived.

    4. Re:But Pluto's not even a planet! by dontmakemethink · · Score: 2, Funny

      How is this even a story? Maybe if she had named a REAL planet...

      Like what, Vulcan?

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  2. Damned Disney by karaage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ripping off public domain folk tales was not enough. They had to go after the planets, too.

    1. Re:Damned Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can you rip off something that is in the public domain?

    2. Re:Damned Disney by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...By practically claiming it as your own? How many people think that The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, Snow White and Pinocchio were thought up by Disney? I would imagine that most kids, and a good amount of adults think that, at least for some of them.

      Sure, its not wrong because public domain works are meant to be copied. But it kinda kills part of the experience to know that the movies you thought Disney did a great job doing, had been around for centuries before Walt was born.

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    3. Re:Damned Disney by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Informative

      By buying laws that make sure their stuff won't ever fall into public domain.

    4. Re:Damned Disney by residieu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the beauty of the public domain. Anyone can take those ideas and characters and make something out of them. Disney did a really great job adapting these old tales. The fact that they weren't original ideas by Disney doesn't take away from that (did anyone ever think Disney came up with them?) Dreamworks was able to use many of those same characters in their Shrek movies, because they're not Disney's characters, they're everyone's characters.

    5. Re:Damned Disney by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (did anyone ever think Disney came up with them?)

      Did you never think that? I'll happily admit that I did think that that for some time.

      If you ever did, when did you change your thinking? Was it because you heard about "the original version" of $FAIRYTALE, or heard the movie referred to as "the Disney version"?

      I think that in the absence of other information it's reasonable to think that $FAIRYTALE is made by Disney when you watch it and see it says "Disney" somewhere near the beginning.

      The fact that they're not original to Disney seems like one of those things you don't know that you should go look for. So you're likely to only come by that knowledge by happenstance.

      (My mother read me more H. C. Andersen and Astrid Lindgren than Grimm.)

    6. Re:Damned Disney by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think the point is that it's wrong, more the hypocrisy of Disney: they make use of the works of other people who are long dead, but they want the work that the company owns - including derivative works that they created out of other people's works - to remain in copyright indefinitely. Even though Mickey Mouse was also created by people who are presumably dead now.

      Imagine if all the authors of those fairy tales had lobbied the Governments to extend copyrights indefinitely? None of those Disney stories would have been possible.

  3. God speed by elashish14 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We'll forever remember your contribution(s) to the scientific community.

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    1. Re:God speed by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      She outlived her planet.

    2. Re:God speed by ctmurray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. Tonight's shows on the Science HD channel was about the probe being sent to Pluto, and they brought up how the planet (now considered a dwarf officially) was named. Lots of interest in these outer objects as the belt where they come from may help explain more how our solar system was formed.

    3. Re:God speed by syousef · · Score: 3, Interesting

      She outlived her planet.

      She outlived the classification of the body she named as a planet. You do realize that if the IAU called Pluto a Turnip (which sadly makes about as much sense as their definition of Planet) it would make no difference whatsoever to the body itself. The odds are pretty good that Pluto will outlive the human race.

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  4. Re:like a zebra. by linzeal · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you knew your history or had read the article linked in the header, you would.

  5. Pluto Replies by earlymon · · Score: 4, Insightful
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  6. Just Wow by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    It got one thanks to an 11-year-old British girl named Venetia Burney, an enthusiast of the planets and classical myth. [...] she proposed to her well-connected grandfather that it be named Pluto, after the Roman god of the underworld.

    Now THAT is a nerd's nerd. At the age of eleven, names a planet after a Roman god. I can just picture it now. "Grandfather, I rather think that naming it aaaafter the god Pluto might be the most appropriate course." Maybe I've seen too many Fruit Newton commercials, though.

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    1. Re:Just Wow by catmistake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now THAT is a nerd's nerd. At the age of eleven, names a planet after a Roman god.

      Not all that original, really... they're all named after Roman gods. Now if she had suggested "Loki" or perhaps "Hellboy," I'd call her my nerd.

    2. Re:Just Wow by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now THAT is a nerd's nerd. At the age of eleven, names a planet after a Roman god. I can just picture it now. "Grandfather, I rather think that naming it aaaafter the god Pluto might be the most appropriate course." Maybe I've seen too many Fruit Newton commercials, though.

      These days the kid would never be allowed to read classic Greek Mythology at age 11 lest it damage their precious innocent psyche, or prompt them to go postal at school.

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    3. Re:Just Wow by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      In the USSR at least, a book of classical Greek mythology was the most widespread children book.

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  7. greek underworld != christian hell by panthroman · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA quotes Neil deGrasse Tyson saying "Pluto is the god of the underworld, a distant place you don't want to go to," and Capt. Freeman saying "Pluto is the prototype of Satan in many minds..."

    The Greek underworld is more akin to the entire Christian afterlife. Sure, it had Hell-like Tartarus, but it also had the Heaven-like Elysian Fields (in French: Champs-Elysees), and plenty of places between.

    And Pluto/Hades was certainly no Satan! In at least one myth, the brothers Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades drew lots to see who would rule the air, sea, and underworld. Zeus drew first and chose air. Poseidon was thrilled, because he wanted the sea anyway. And poor Hades was stuck with the underworld.

    Also from TFA, "...scientists at the Lowell Observatory voted unanimously for Pluto, partly because its first two letters could be interpreted as an homage to Percival Lowell..." Very cool.

    1. Re:greek underworld != christian hell by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And poor Hades was stuck with the underworld.

      Yah, cause Satan is so thrilled with Hell.

      Maybe the link between Hell and Hades had to do with its portrayals in verse. I remember in the Odyssey, when Odysseus called up all the dead spirits trying to find Teiresias (or however the hell you spell it), NOBODY liked Hades, and from the sound of it he talked to like everybody who died in the Iliad and then some. Surely one or two of the people he talked to would have gone to the nicer spots out of random chance? Like maybe one of the Aiantes?

  8. Re:Goofy by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I find baffling is that Goofy is a dog, and Pluto is a dog. But Goofy wears clothes, drives, and talks - and Pluto just runs around, barks and wags his tail.

    It's just... not right.

  9. plutonic != platonic by panthroman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Plutonic?

    Astrological etymologies:
    Mercurial - unpredictable temperment
    Venereal - sexually indulgent
    Lunatic - crazy
    Martial - war-like
    Saturnine - gloomy
    Jovial - happy

    But "nepotism" is from nephew, not Neptune. And "platonic" is from Plato, not Pluto.

  10. Re:Goofy by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pluto is a dog's dog. Goofy is a dog trying to be a man.

    If I ran around sniffing crotches and licking my goods, I'd...never get out of the house. What was my point again?

  11. Planet X by Repton · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't they mean Planet IX?

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  12. Re:Goofy by beav007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pluto is a dog's dog. Goofy is a dog trying to be a man.

    Actually, Pluto is a mouses dog.

  13. Re:Goofy by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

    What I find baffling is that Goofy is a dog, and Pluto is a dog. But Goofy wears clothes, drives, and talks - and Pluto just runs around, barks and wags his tail.

    You know, that's not very far out there when you are talking about this group. Years ago when Minnie started acting strange, many thought she had had a psychotic break, some said that she was just plain crazy... In the end, it turned out she was just fu*king Goofy...

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  14. Re:Goofy by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should we respect Goofy's aspiration to transcend his origins and disapprove of Pluto's ignomy, or should we reject Goofy as a social-climbing pretender and admire Pluto's authenticity?

  15. Makes one wonder by mysidia · · Score: 3, Funny

    So where's the C&D letter against Disney for using the name she coined for a planet?

    Surely it causes consumer confusion.. I mean, when I see titles like The Complete Pluto, Volume One; I expect a DVD authorized by the foundation or scientists who discovered the planet, and it to be about the planet.

    But instead the proper trade name as assigned the Pluto brand planet is used with a piece of fiction in a manner that is not only confusing but dilutes the mark...

  16. Re:Goofy by dudpixel · · Score: 5, Funny

    we are tackling the big issues here today aren't we?

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  17. Re:despite the fact by mister_playboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Neither Neptune nor Pluto are ever bright enough to be visible to the naked eye. In optimal conditions and near its opposition with Earth, Uranus can be visible to someone with excellent eyesight.

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  18. Re:despite the fact by Thing+1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    [...] Uranus can be visible to someone with excellent eyesight.

    or a couple of mirrors. Oh wait, your anus? That's visible to most anyone, mister playboy. :)

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  19. When I was your age... by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I was your age, Pluto was Planet X!

    -Venetia Phair

  20. Re:despite the fact by east+coast · · Score: 2, Informative

    Neptune was not discovered via direct observation. It was discovered by abnormalities in Uranus' orbit.

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  21. Re:Goofy by Obyron · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it's clear to any REAL dog that Goofy is nothing but an uppity Uncle Rover, sitting and rolling over for the massah to get a handout.

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  22. Before anybody jumps to the conclusion by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    correlation does not imply causation, this is no proof that naming planets causes death. (Come on, someone had to say that, this is /.)

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  23. Pluto IS a Planet by laurele · · Score: 2, Informative

    It should be noted that the IAUâ(TM)s controversial demotion of Pluto is very likely not the last word on the subject and in fact represents only one interpretation in an ongoing debate. Only four percent of the IAU voted on this, and most are not planetary scientists. Their decision was immediately opposed in a formal petition by hundreds of professional astronomers led by Dr. Alan Stern, Principal Investigator of NASAâ(TM)s New Horizons mission to Pluto. Stern and like-minded scientists favor a broader planet definition that includes any non-self-luminous spheroidal body in orbit around a star. The spherical part is important because objects become spherical when they attain a state known as hydrostatic equilibrium, meaning they are large enough for their own gravity to pull them into a round shape. This is a characteristic of planets and not of shapeless asteroids and Kuiper Belt Objects. Pluto meets this criterion and is therefore a planet.

  24. X-Plainet! by Ignatius+D'Lusional · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait... so Pluto was called "Planet X" before it had a name, and it's no longer officially a planet?

    So that means it used to be Planet X, but now it's an ex-planet!

  25. My wife looked after her by hoofie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My wife [a senior nurse] came home from work one day about 4 years ago saying that she and her staff had been looking after an old lady on a ward at Epsom General Hospital. One of the surgeons pointed her out and said she was rather special since had named the planet Pluto. Apparently the old lady was very pleasant and polite but hadn't told anyone of her claim to fame.

    Not really believing this story I googled a bit and found a name. My wife refused to tell me the name of the woman but when I said 'Venetia Phair' she was very surprised as she thought the whole thing was a massive wind-up.