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Google Unveils Search Options and Google Squared

CWmike writes "Saying that its users are becoming increasingly sophisticated, Google has unveiled a list of new search technologies geared to help users 'slice and dice' their Google search results, along with a new tool to help them cull information instead of Web pages. Marissa Mayer, vice president of Google's Search Products, said of Search Options in a blog post, 'We have spent a lot of time looking at how we can better understand the wide range of information that's on the Web and quickly connect people to just the nuggets they need at that moment.' Google Squared, set to be released to users as part of its Google Labs program later this month, pulls up information from different sites and presents it in an organized manner."

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  1. Google Squared? by FlyByPC · · Score: 5, Funny

    No thanks; wake me up when they come out with the "Google n*log(n)" version.

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    1. Re:Google Squared? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, Google is already doing plenty of log'n.

  2. Chicken or the egghead? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Culling data and presenting context-aware results is something that Wolfram is working on too.

    Wolfram, a genuine genius, against a company full of above-average engineers. It's a tossup as to who came up with this idea first.

    1. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by Darundal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do I care who came up with the idea first? I care about who does it best.

    2. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by LUH+3418 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would think they're pretty serious about this. Google pours alot of R&D money into improving its search engine. In their mind, I believe this represents another step closer to one day having a search engine that can truely understand questions asked by users, which really, is the ultimate goal for any search engine.

      It seems obvious that for them to publicize this now is a response to Wolfram Alpha, but clearly, Google wants to keep is technological edge over the competition. Now, what will be interesting to see is how much people care about these new search options, and whether or not someone buys Wolfram Alpha.

    3. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by tsalmark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Best, and by a long shot, is how Google came to be damn-near ubiquitous.AltaVista (for search) and Yahoo (For directory) had the lions share of the market. Google was just another one of hundreds attempting to gain a foot hold in the market, until the first time you used it, then you never went back.

    4. Re:Chicken or the egghead? by thedonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The lack of maturity of the internet allowed Google to offer a better product, virtually sans marketing, and take over. I don't think that can or will happen the same way again. Not in the search market, anyway.

      The internet still offers the unique ability for something to go viral and spread like herpes in a co-ed frat, but as time goes on the list will dwindle down to rumors (pop rocks and pepsi!) and worms (conficker, et al).

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  3. Regexp and exact word matching options by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish Google had the ability to search for regular expressions and exact word matching. Searching for exact words or things that contain other symbols than letters is unfortunately very hard with Google and so sometimes it's useless in situations where it could have been so powerful.

    1. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google Code search supports regular expressions, so it's possible with a smaller index at least.

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    2. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Likewise, using quotation marks (that's what those double-apostrophes are called) makes it fairly easy to search suing terms including symbols.

      Using quotes can help... but Google seems to strip out non-alphanumeric symbols. For instance a search for "Error 2005" and "Error #2005" yield the exact same search results, with none of the first page including the number-sign. But in theory if you're searching for an exact phrase (e.g. an error code) then those extra symbols are important.

      The same thing happens for all kinds of searches that use symbols. The quotes enforce word-order but don't enforce symbols. For instance a search, with quotes, of "1.5 J/s" returns some correct results, but also matches to "1.5J S" and "1.5 (Js" and other variants... This makes searching for scientific things (e.g. parts of an equation) difficult.

      This probably happens because Google works by pre-computing indexes of term frequencies and caching a huge number of queries. A free-form regex can be arbitrarily complicated and would be difficult to pre-compute and cache. To get the right results it would have to search on the full database. Similarly I guess they decided that not enough people search for crazy symbol combinations, so those are ignored. There are probably solutions to the problem (e.g. using the sub-pieces of a regex or symbol search to find candidate pages, and then only searching for the exact string on that subset), but again Google seems to have decided that the functionality is not in sufficient demand.

    3. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by paazin · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a pity that google considers it so - I come across a query every few days that fits along these lines.

      I suppose I really just ought to use another search engine for these; cuil, for one gives different results for Error #2005 and Error 2005

    4. Re:Regexp and exact word matching options by farnsworth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google seems to strip out non-alphanumeric symbols.

      This isn't entirely true. net 11 and .net 1.1 return different results.

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  4. new search pair of dimes? by thedonger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    from TFA:

    "These features really explore search from a broad and entirely new perspective," said Mayer. "Because we realize that when you can't quickly find just the exact information or content you need or want, it's our problem, not yours."

    This is an interesting take on the process of searching. In the past I thought good searching required training or insight, but this line of thinking - putting the onus on the search provider - is bold and interesting.

    Will Google offer the traditional "colander with wires attached" USB device to read our minds and ignore what we type into the search box? If so, it better be free or people will complain.

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    1. Re:new search pair of dimes? by JustinOpinion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the past I thought good searching required training or insight, but this line of thinking - putting the onus on the search provider - is bold and interesting.

      It's the right attitude for the service-provider to take, assuming they are trying to make a good product.

      But, this doesn't release the user from learning how to search properly, assuming they are trying to get something useful out of the experience.

      A user-interface designer (or product designer in general) should always be thinking about how users will naturally interact with the product/service, and should make it as fast, painless, and obvious as possible. From Google's point of view, the objective should indeed be to make a search that, as much as possible, correctly guesses what the user was trying to find, and returns that data. The more they are able to do so, the better the user experience will be.

      But, of course, this doesn't mean that users shouldn't learn how to properly use the product as it currently exists, or how to search in general. The better they understand it, the more useful it will be to them.

  5. Blocking results from certain sites... by blahplusplus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... would be the most important in my opinion of "user sophistication", a lot of times google will pull a lot of sites quite frankly should be able to be punished by users by users beign able to filter them out of their search results.

    That might cause google to pause (ad revenue) but personally there's a lot of google manipulation and I'd love it if users could simply FILTER their results but NOT be able to change them and then let google study which sites are blocked or not to get an idea of how clueles (cluefull) their userbase is

    1. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

      a lot of times google will pull a lot of sites quite frankly should be able to be punished by users by users beign able to filter them out of their search results.

      That's a current feature of Google search. Don't want results from slashdot.org or any subdomains in your results? include -site:slashdot.org in your query string.

      It would be nice if, e.g., Wonder Wheel kept site restrictions (positive or negative) when you used it to pull up a related search.

    2. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When logged in at least, it'd be nice if I could accumulate a personal blocklist that's blocked on all my searches. In some areas I keep ended up rediscovering the same SEO'd crap sites, and I'd like to just cut them out of my results for good.

    3. Re:Blocking results from certain sites... by DisKurzion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would only need one domain on that list:

      experts-exchange.com

  6. Too specific by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has anyone else noticed google's search results are a little too focused, or personalized? I am finding that useful search results that I had clicked on that were only tangenially related no longer come up when I search under the identical terms a second time. While this is good in most cases, I'd like a way to switch off this "focused laser" approach and open up my results more broadly without having to dig past the first 10 pages of results. I feel like google is so specific that I either find my result in the first three results or not at all these days. I feel like I am missing out on the wonders of finding cool stuff that you didn't know existed, since the results are too good and almost never off topic.

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    1. Re:Too specific by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good news! You can easily switch this feature off: In Firefox press Ctrl+Shift+Del, select "Cookies" and click "Clear Private Data Now"

  7. Quick Pr0n by ironicsky · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google is just giving us an easier way to find pr0n on the tubes.
    Is setting my "safe search" to off and will see you in the morning.

    1. Re:Quick Pr0n by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm... I wonder if there is a way to search for "unsafe" pictures only. Maybe some internal option or hack?

      Please, please, please... if you're from Google: Add this option in a hidden way, and then "leak" the information to us. You can always just change the way it's used, and then apologize for that little bug. And then leak the new way too. So that we still have access. Whoops. ^^

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  8. Content owners won't they lose revenue by Jeez01 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    lets say you want to research Bulls-Pistons series in 1988 and you decide to use a squared which effectively parses and gets the data you want from Basketball-reference or one of those. Those sites will not get any page hits...

    1. Re:Content owners won't they lose revenue by abigsmurf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah but you see, you're free to put it in the robots.txt if you don't want information pulled straight out of your site without people visiting. Of course that will remove it from the Google index and result in a massive descrease in traffic as the vast majority of people only use google for searching...

      Google, abuse a dominant market position? But their moto is "do no evil"! They would never do something like that!

  9. Future of Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The future of search relies upon better parameters for the search.

    Almost all searches are time-sensitive, but some are more time sensitive than others. When I'm looking for information about a piece of software the forum post from five years ago may or may not be relevant.

    When I'm looking for information about the thinnest watch to buy, reading about a watch made over 30 years ago isn't appropriate.

    Context is the big problem in search. The time sensitivity is one context. Product attributes is another. You can't (with the partial exception of Newegg and similar searches) search item properties in most cases. If you're buying a set of headphones not all headphones list their specs nor in the same way. There are a lot of other products besides headphones.

    Sometimes the basic context is spot on, but it's still useless: a forum post of someone with the same question/problem I have, but it was never answered.

  10. Re:google squared by hezekiah957 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're considering a google plex to be analogous to a googolplex, then your post is wrong. A googolplex is 10^googol, not googol^googol.

  11. How about finally allowing... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...(perl-style) regular expressions? Or at least allowing to search for non-alphanumeric characters?

    Their search interface is a huge step backward from what old engines like HotBot offered.

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  12. Here comes another lawsuit! by Captain+Spam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Saying that its users are becoming increasingly sophisticated, Google has unveiled a list of new search technologies geared to help users 'slice and dice' their Google search results, along with a new tool to help them cull information instead of Web pages.

    (emphasis mine)

    And ten minutes after they release this for real, they get sued by thousands of websites claiming that they're circumventing their ad income or whatever by giving viewers an option to get the data without going to the website and thus not see the ads.

    I mean, that's what the AP's whining about, right?

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  13. Is it just me? by AnalPerfume · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or does the image of Johnny 5 from the movie Short Circuit come to mind when thinking of Google?

    "Need more input!!!!!!"