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Rotten Office Fridge Cleanup Sends 7 To Hospital

bokske writes "An office worker cleaning a fridge full of rotten food created a smell so noxious that it sent seven co-workers to the hospital and made many others ill. Firefighters had to evacuate the AT&T building in downtown San Jose on Tuesday, after the flagrant fumes prompted someone to call 911. A hazmat team was called in. Just another day at the office."

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  1. Re:Paaaleeese by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are quite a few molds and other items that can cause serious respiratory distress for those of us allergic to them. Fast acting too. When I got off the plane in Australia and was exposed to new pollens I my body had never experienced, I was horizontal on a gurney getting anti-histamine treatments within 30 minutes!

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  2. Re:Paaaleeese by Spazmania · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's one thing if spores cause an infection- but going to the hospital cause you don't like a smell? I mean come on. Grow a pair, you know?

    RTFA. The fridge was full of mold. Many folks are allergic to mold, especially in quantity.

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  3. Monthly tossing day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Our office has a policy. Anything left in the fridge after the 31st of every month is removed start of the next business day and thrown out. (Unless it has the current days date on it.)

  4. Just another day at the office for me... by AB3A · · Score: 5, Informative

    --of course I have job sites on sewer pumping stations and waste-water treatment plants.

    Not only does it smell bad where I work, but it can kill you if you're not careful. People dump all sorts of things down the drain that they shouldn't. I've heard stories of entire tanker loads of gasoline getting dumped, Ether, Perc, Jet fuel, and some mysterious stuff that glowed blue coming from what used to be called the National Bureau of Standards (now NIST).

    During large thunderstorms, the sewer pipes often see huge flows that scour all the grease that people dump down the drain (DON'T DUMP GREASE DOWN THE DRAIN!) in to large globs the size of beach balls. These tend to block flow at the waste-water stations and cause sewer backup until someone can get down there and pitch-fork it apart.

    And Mike Rowe thinks HE does dirty jobs...

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    1. Re:Just another day at the office for me... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Informative

      Submit it to discovery.com/dirtyjobs - you might be famous!

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  5. Re:The main rule by Chabo · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a former chemist, I'm willing to smell something, but I never let anyone stick something in my face; if I'm going to smell something, it's either going to be on a flat surface, or in MY hand. Then I "waft" the scent towards my nose from a good distance with my hand, and if I still can't smell anything, then I might go closer.

    Acid fumes teach you that lesson real quick.

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  6. Re:Paaaleeese by tiny1877 · · Score: 2, Informative

    'Affected' is correct. Affect = Verb Effect = Noun

  7. Re:Paaaleeese by FredFredrickson · · Score: 3, Informative

    You've got to be the only person here who read the article.. I picked up on that, and I'm flamebait for picking on people who don't like gross smells. If there was a truely harmful chemical or spore in the air, she would've been affected too. Thanks everybody. Not only didn't you RTFA, but you didn't RTFC either.

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  8. Re:Paaaleeese by Shin-LaC · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indeed, molds are nothing to scoff at. Mark Tatum lost half his face to a toxic mold infection.

  9. Re:Paaaleeese by giorgiofr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Effect can be a verb too. It means to produce, to bring into existence.

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  10. Ammonia & Bleach by Anenome · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it was when they began cleaning with bleach and chased it with ammonia that did the trouble started.

    For the uninitiated: http://everything2.com/title/Mixing%2520bleach%2520and%2520ammonia%2520does%2520not%2520make%2520a%2520super%2520cleaner

    "Exactly why should you not mix ammonia and bleach?

    In a nutshell, the combination produces corrosive substances in your airways that cause your lungs to fill with fluid. You drown.

    Household bleach is usually about 5% sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl).When mixed with ammonia (NH3), mono- and di-chloramines are formed: NH2Cl and NH2Cl2. These cause respiratory tract irritation, tearing, and nausea.

    Worse, these compounds decompose in water to form ammonia gas (nasty in itself) and hypochlorous acid. This last in the presence of water forms hydrochloric acid and nascent (monoatomic) oxygen, which are highly reactive and can lead to pulmonary edema and pneumonia.

    There are several ways household ammonia and bleach can react. All of them are dangerous.

    Reaction type 1: Ammonia directly reacts with bleach to form hydrazine (N2H4, which, in addition to being extremely poisonous, can burn even in the absence of air! It explodes on contact with rust!

    2NH3 + NaOCl -----> N2H4 + NaCl + H2O

    Reaction type 2: Bleach hydrolyzes into sodium hydroxide and hypochlorous acid, which in turn decompose into chlorine gas and nascent oxygen (both poisonous). The chlorine gas in turn reacts with the ammonia to form chloramines, also very poisonous.

    NaOCl -----> NaOH + HOCl
    HOCl ---> HCl + O (monatomic oxygen)
    NaOCl + 2HCl -----> Cl2 + NaCl + H2O
    2NH3 + Cl2 -------> 2NH2Cl (chloramine)
    4NH3 + 2Cl2 ------> 2NHCl2 (dichloramine)
    6NH3 + 3Cl2 ------> NCl3 (trichloramine or nitrogen trichloride)"

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    1. Re:Ammonia & Bleach by Nohbdy001 · · Score: 5, Informative

      While the parent does an excellent job at explaining why one should not mix ammonia and bleach, and as much as I hate to admit (on slashdot) that I read the article, it must be mentioned that the article does not specify the chemicals used. So, we can't assume that it was this combination that caused the workers to need hospitalization.

    2. Re:Ammonia & Bleach by gordyf · · Score: 5, Informative

      This didn't happen. The person cleaning the fridge wasn't affected.

    3. Re:Ammonia & Bleach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      OK... reality/fact check... yes, mixing those two chemicals does produce toxic chemicals, but where in the fine article does it mention that those were the two chemicals used. It does not, and you were assuming those facts (remember what that word means). Had the person who had been doing the cleaning done so, they would have been in the hospital themselves, if they were lucky (I used to work on a regional hazmat team, and have gone on calls for this very thing). No ifs, ands or butts (except for the ones on the floor from the resulting gases).

      Now, at Fred... you should be aware that different people react to different odors in different ways. Sometimes, people cannot smell certain odors because of genetics, gender, etc. Sometimes, they smell differently and certain ones can stand out or be indistinguishable from others. And then in others, folks may get violently ill (such as when someone with Asperger's smells something which is a trigger odor). Some of this was demonstrated in some mass publication magazine like Reader's Digest some years ago with a scratch-n-sniff card. And BTW Fred... you ever had the joy of smelling putrescine, cadaverine or butyl mercaptin in a close environment? There is a reason why crime teams sometimes have to wear masks if not SCBA... it is to keep them from loosing their cookies.

    4. Re:Ammonia & Bleach by npoczynek · · Score: 2, Informative

      As stated in the summary, a hazmat crew was sent in. So yes, the people cleaning the fridge were okay.

  11. The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul by thue · · Score: 4, Informative

    Has nobody else read Douglas Adams' The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul? Don't mess with the god of guild living in the fridge...

  12. Re:Paaaleeese by mrbene · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Affected" is correct in the text provided by MyLongNickName, so the statement by Tiny1877 is at least partially correct.

    Tiny1877 is also correct for general usage - when you visited the dictionary, you would have found the first few entries of "Affect" treating it as a verb, whereas the first few entries of "Effect" would have referenced usage as a noun.

    Oh, maybe I should have thrown in a sensational start to this post, to increase my chance of being noticed...

  13. Re:Paaaleeese by Intron · · Score: 3, Informative
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  14. Re:Paaaleeese by Znork · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can handle it most of the time, and to a certain extent.

    I spent a year working in a lab where one of my duties was preparing fluid extracts from drilled core samples of landfills for analysis. Most of the time it was just a nasty smell, and work was done under a fume hood, so it wasn't that bad.

    But one or two times the core drilling had really hit jackpot; the slightest whiff out of the fume hood and breakfast was coming up. None of the usual 'eww, ick, blech, that really stinks', just the sensation of something hitting the olfactory sense followed by immediate backwards rerun of the last meal, then wondering what the hell just happened. And then continuing further work without breathing through the nose (or, preferably, breathing elsewhere in the room and holding my breath while working with the samples).

    Of course, as I knew pretty much what I was working with and knew there was no significant exposure anyway there was no need to seek medical attention. But if they managed to strike similar gold in the realm of olfactory adventures, I can certainly understand that they may be a bit shaken. In combination with an uncertainty about the cleaning chemicals a visit to the doctor might not be entirely uncalled for.

    With some nauseating fumes toughing it out simply isn't an option, they trigger some form of autonomous immediate purge signal. Considering the number of vomiting agents that have been developed as non-lethal weapons, it's not that surprising if random decomposition biochemistry happens to brew us one of its own every now and then.

  15. Re:Paaaleeese by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's what I'm saying. Buck up! It's just a smell. Some people work around bad smells, they learn to live with it.

    If a smell makes you puke are you sure it was just the smell and not something else? How do you tell?

    Nature has conditioned most animals, including us, to puke and otherwise have bad reactions to harmful substances. Sometimes it is simply due to some sort of genetic programming wherein our bodies know that some bad tastes and bad smells mean something is fucked up and we don't want that shit anywhere near us.

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  16. Re:sounds like vegimite by Anenome · · Score: 2, Informative

    You think that's bad, try the most ethnic thing I cold find in the world of Japanese cooking: Natto.

    It's a mixture that looks and smells and tastes exactly like barf. Unrecognizeable multi-colored chunks of who-knows-what are mixed together in a clear sticky slime apparently gathered from the tracks of snails, almost like a glue, far stickier than honey, and otherwise flavorless. Anyway, that's my memory of trying it-- a life-altering event, to be sure.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natto
    Now remember, this is the wikipedia description of Natto, trying to be impartial: "The first thing noticed by the uninitiated after opening a pack of natt is the very strong ammoniacal smell, akin to strong cheese. Stirring the natt produces lots of spiderweb-like strings. The natt itself has a taste somewhat akin to glue."

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