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New Science Books To Be Available Free Online

fm6 writes "Bloomsbury Publishing, best known for the Harry Potter books, has announced a new series of science books that will be available for free online. Bloomsbury thinks they can make enough money off of hard-copy sales to turn a 'small profit.' The online version will be covered by a Creative Commons license which allows free non-commercial use. They've already had some success with the one book they've published this way, Larry Lessig's 'Remix: Making Art and Commerce thrive in the Hybrid Economy.' The series, 'Science, Ethics and Innovation,' will be edited by Sir John Sulston, Nobel prize winner and one of the architects of the Human Genome Project."

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  1. Undercutting Bloomsbury by telchine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless I'm mistaken, the Creative Commons Noncommercial licence allows you to charge a fee for the printing and distribution costs as long as it's not for profit. What's to stop some ant-capitalistic individual from setting up a non-commercial organisation to distribute the texts cheaper than Bloomsbury, thus preventing them making a profit?

    1. Re:Undercutting Bloomsbury by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's to stop some ant-capitalistic [sic] individual from setting up a non-commercial organisation to distribute the texts cheaper than Bloomsbury...?

      What about this do you consider "anti-capitalistic"? Actions need not be motivated by currency to be compatible with capitalism; rational self-interest includes such factors as goodwill and self-esteem in addition to the direct and indirect exchange of material goods and services.

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    2. Re:Undercutting Bloomsbury by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nothing, I suppose. But why would they bother? To punish Bloomsbury for making free copies available?

      Besides, it's not as easy as your making it sound. Bloomsbury does this stuff on a huge scale, so their costs are lower. And that's assuming the other version is printed using traditional methods. Unless your hypothetical economic terrorist was willing to spend a lot of money up front for a print run, they'd have to rely on a print-on-demand system, which has pretty high unit costs. Not break-the-bank high (POD has gotten pretty cheap) but not low enough to compete with a regular printer, never mind undercut them.

      It's amusing: all the technologies we're such geeks about rely on economies of scale. Yet nobody around here really seems to understand the concept.

  2. Quality? by mc1138 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really like this, and shows that this company has a better understanding of the big picture when it comes to the dissemination of ideas. My question though is to the quality of these books. I've found often times text books to be poor presentations of science, either making it boring, inaccurate, or just a poor presentation in general. Though quality aside, I still applaud their efforts to make knowledge more freely available.

    1. Re:Quality? by fm6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      RTFA. These aren't textbooks. They're a series of books on science and ethics edited by a Nobel Prize winner.

  3. Re:Anything like this for maths? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go to any used book store and grab an algebra, calculus, whatever textbook for $5. Basic math hasn't changed in a hundred years, so it's not like you're getting out dated material. In fact, text books have been dumbed down in recent years, so you're probably getting a better education that way.

    This is how I learned calculus in high school, and then totally slept through it in college, making As.

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  4. Re:Anything like this for maths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A free introductory Calculus book (a CC license):

    http://www.math.wisc.edu/~keisler/calc.html

    There is a free complex analysis book:
    http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~r-ash/CV.html

    A free algebraic topology book:
    http://www.math.cornell.edu/~hatcher/#ATI

    Wikipedia has lots of math articles that are very useful for some purposes. I'd be interested if anybody knows of any other resources.

    If you just need "cheap", Dover publications puts out lots of inexpensive math books ($10-$20 for material that could be $100+ elsewhere). Google for their website or just check Amazon. Note though that these are mostly older books, which means, for the most part, that they are much more rigorous than current books.

    Be aware that if by "algebra" you mean elementary algebra (what you learn in middle/high school), algebra means something different to mathematicians, so a textbook on algebra may not be what you want.

  5. Re:Anything like this for maths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Go to any used book store and grab an algebra, calculus, whatever textbook for $5. Basic math hasn't changed in a hundred years, so it's not like you're getting out dated material.

    Not a bad idea. But watch out for those textbooks made in the 1860s. I heard that some of them will try to tell you that 2+2=goat.

  6. Sudden breakout of common sense by bzzfzz · · Score: 5, Informative

    I expect that Bloomsbury will indeed make a small profit.

    There are many books that are sold profitably even though their contents is available in its entirety online and is redistributable. Project Gutenberg has the complete works of Shakespeare online, a text in the public domain that anyone can print. Yet thousands of print copies of these works are sold through bookstores every month. The same can be said of other classic works now in the public domain, as well as some editions of the Bible, and most classical music scores.

    I believe this situation is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. Unlike audio and video recordings, which by their nature require some type of playback device, books are self-contained and offer certain advantages over even the most advanced and unrestricted reading device.

    1. Re:Sudden breakout of common sense by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

      When are they going to figure out that there are rich text formats that are more accessible to more users than plain text files?

      They already did. Search this edition for "How can I have done that".

    2. Re:Sudden breakout of common sense by brasselv · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Project Gutenberg [gutenberg.org] has the complete works of Shakespeare [gutenberg.org] online, a text in the public domain that anyone can print. Yet thousands of print copies of these works are sold through bookstores every month.

      This is indeed true as of now, because many DO see some value in having a printed copy of Shakespeare (myself included).

      Think of a different scenario.

      You have two buttons on your Kindle. One buys a copy of The Tempest from Amazon or iBooks, for 2$. The other button downloads The Tempest from Gutemberg - for free.

      Assuming that you don't own Amazon stock, and that everything else is equal (format, download speed, etc.), which button would you press?

      Any work put on a Creative Commons license today, won't make any money in the future, once digital is king.
      As publishers want to make money, I believe this model, while interesting, can't take off.

      We desperately need a realistic, viable business model, rethought from the ground up, that faces the digital distribution reality - and that at the same time avoids the publishing industry to fall in the same trap as the music industry.

      Unfortunately, I have not seen such model just yet.

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    3. Re:Sudden breakout of common sense by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are aware that usage of italics, bold, and all caps is a question of style and not consistent from book to book in the first place?

      Seriously, who cares? Once you can distinguish between narrative, dialog, thoughts, and inner monologue then what difference does it make?

  7. Re:Nothing! by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is still considered non-commercial use if you use these books to teach kids science, then sell the kids?

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  8. Re:Anything like this for maths? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 2, Informative

    Are there any good, free resources for learning Algebra and up?

    There are plenty of sites and free books online that will get you through calculus. For (elementary, not linear or abstract) algebra, a Google search should net you hundreds of sites. For higher subjects, http://www.theassayer.org/ should get you started.

    As Hatta suggested, used bookstores and thrift stores are good for cheap high school-level textbooks. Don't count on finding anything higher than calculus texts, though. If you're looking for texts to study abstract algebra, set theory, game theory, et cetera, you may have to visit a university library to find physical books.

  9. Re:Anything like this for maths? by ben0207 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Also I got some book (I think published in the mid 80s or so - at least there was a year in the title) which tried to teach me that 2+2=5.

    Caused me a lot of problems, that did.

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  10. Re:Anything like this for maths? by basementman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're post was doing okay until your true motives of bragging about how great you are were revealed in the last sentence.

  11. Some National Academy Books also free by CharlieD · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you go to the National Academy Press web site, http://www.nap.edu/about.html, you will find that many of their books are available in PDF format, and that many of those can be downloaded for free. To find what you are interested in, use the search box in the upper left hand side of their about page. Since we taxpayers paid for most, if not all, of the work being presented, perhaps they all should be free.

    1. Re:Some National Academy Books also free by WillAdams · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interesting.

      Only five books from that site are listed as free at the Online Books Page though:

      http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=National%20Academy%20of%20Sciences

      Do you have a list of free books there beyond that? If so, you should send it to John Mark Ockerbloom so that he can add them.

      William

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  12. Re:Anything like this for maths? by bsane · · Score: 3, Funny

    I measure my fuel efficiency in rods per hogshead- the way god intended.

  13. What format? by Thaelon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it's not .epub, they're not very good. Why? It's industry accepted, prevalent open-standard for ebooks. Even Adobe uses it over .pdf.

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  14. Re:Anything like this for maths? by Ragzouken · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's "He IS post." Jeeze, don't you know anything about grammar?

  15. Re:Anything like this for maths? by SlashDotDotDot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Would you mind explaining the distinction?

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra:

    Elementary algebra is often part of the curriculum in secondary education and provides an introduction to the basic ideas of algebra, including effects of adding and multiplying numbers, the concept of variables, definition of polynomials, along with factorization and determining their roots.

    Algebra is much broader than elementary algebra and can be generalized. In addition to working directly with numbers, algebra covers working with symbols, variables, and set elements. Addition and multiplication are viewed as general operations, and their precise definitions lead to structures such as groups, rings and fields.

    Scan through the section on abstract algebra farther down the page.

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  16. Re:Nothing! by genghisjahn · · Score: 2, Funny

    In all this talk of who can do what under which license...has anyone stopped to think of the children? You have? Oh...okay. Carry on.

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  17. Re:Anything like this for maths? by ortholattice · · Score: 2, Informative

    Warning: The Keisler calculus book you mention uses what's called "nonstandard analysis", involving "hyperreal numbers", and is very different from what you learn in most calculus courses. This isn't to say that it is a bad book - in fact it is a very good one. But nonstandard analysis, while valid, hasn't really caught on since it was invented by Robinson in the 1960s in spite of some vocal advocates. Just be aware that after this book, some of the things in the ordinary high school or college Calculus-I book are going to be unfamiliar. And while rote manipulations with hyperreal numbers aren't too hard to learn, to understand them rigorously involves abstract math and set theory much deeper than that needed for the real numbers and limits of standard calculus (see the Epilogue of the book).

  18. Buy these books by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you really and truly support open access to books and information then buy these books.

    This is the content industry finally hearing those of us who have protested to the industry attempting to lock down content and refuse to update their business models to embrace modern copying technology instead of fighting it.

    If you don't recognize this as a pilot project to test the waters you are a fool. Everyone buy at book in this series, even if you don't really want the thing. Consider it a donation to the principle and vote with your dollars.