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Interview With UIzard Creator Ryu Sunt-tae

volume4 writes "A couple of days ago, the folks over at Ajaxian introduced the world to UIzard, an awesome creation by a Korean developer using YUI. There is actually a heck of a lot more about it, and the excitement about the app caused the UIzard website to go down. Most people could not interact with the app or learn more. A day or so later, the website was back but I could still not access the app. I went on a search to find the creator of UIzard to learn more about it, and finally, through Jinho.Jung on Flickr, I got ahold of his email address and hooked up with Ryu Sunt-tae to learn more."

73 comments

  1. Name spelling; other info links. by davidsyes · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that his name is supposed to be typed as Ryu Sung-tae (Sung, not Sunt; there is not in my studies of Korean some such name, given, or family...). Besides, g and t on the US / Latin keyboard are adjacent, and all the more this seems to be a typo. If it was a phone interview, with the interviewer making corrections, it's then even possible that his name is Seung, not Sung, as in the director http://www.koreanfilm.org/films2008.html Ryu Seung-jin.

    Unfortunately, it appears the opensource site seems to have it wrong. But, *i* could be wrong, so maybe you can e-mail him and ask him if his name is actually misspelled on the site.

    For those not aware, the "WI" as in wizard or whiskey in the US/English speakign areas is written in Korean charactes that look in English like "oi", but pronounced making for it to look like "uh-wee-zard". So, it's neat/nifty a spin to have UI and Wi merged for UIzard, instead of just using Wizard....

    Just my two cents...

    Oh, Ajaxjian Link:

    http://ajaxian.com/archives/uizard-a-web-mashup-generator-written-in-yui

    DZone link:

    http://www.dzone.com/links/uizard_a_web_mashup_generator_written_in_yui.html

    And another, unrelated item:
    http://technews.am/conversations/ajaxian/uizard_a_web_mashup_generator_written_in_yui
    http://technews.am/conversations/ajaxian/3d_cube_using_new_css_transformations

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    1. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by volume4 · · Score: 5, Informative

      From his email I have it as: "Best Regards, Ryu Sunt-tae"

    2. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Whoaa... I submit then that he's one helluva creative guy :). After all, if anyone can name herself Alien Sun (See "Ichi the Killer", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiVr5Pl4-s and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Sun ), then surely i give him thumbs up with "t" vice "g". Hhehehe, but i wonder what his parents think....

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    3. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by LotsOfPhil · · Score: 1

      I really, really thought it was "ULZARD"...

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    4. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between the literal reading of the Korean letters and how it is pronounced -- pronunciation of a particular gram can be modified by the following one.

    5. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by kromozone · · Score: 2, Informative

      His name in Korean is ë¥ì±ífoe. As mentioned in this article - http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=ourbelief&logNo=130043884744 That would transliterate as Ryu-Seong-Tae, depending on the transliteration method you use. He may just have decided to transliterate it in his own way, as no one is likely to pronounce it properly anyway unless they can read Korean!

    6. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by kromozone · · Score: 1, Troll

      No UTF on /.? WTF?

    7. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmmm, i just figured out the paragraph about him is further down the page. The characters i see are, phonetically, in English:

        1. UIzard -

      ryu seung tae neum

      R character + yu character, both making family name

      S character + -| (i'm using minus and pipe to simulate the "eu" chars that are pronounced as "uh", like mud/bud/scud/flood) and the null char "ng" (circle) beneath "s" and "eu"

      [- (simulating the "t" (single "t" sound, not the double "t" sound/char) left of the "H"-looking char that makes the sound "ay" sound spelled as "ae" (like Hyundae, spoken quickly from the english spelling/chars of heeyoon-day/hyoon-dae, w/ emphasis on the d, almost "t", between day and take)

      at the very end is the article/suffix "neum", for which i am awaiting an explanation by a Korean friend here studying English...

      These might be useful:

      http://www.flashcardexchange.com/flashcards/view/493303
      http://langintro.com/kintro/
      http://langintro.com/kintro/family/direct.htm

      http://langintro.com/kintro/first.htm

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    8. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by kromozone · · Score: 1

      Neum/nim is just a respectful ending, like "Mr." kind of.

    9. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Ah, yessss. Komapsumnida! Like Kim-sonsaengmim... I got tripped up over the -eum, vs -im after n-.

      Thanks!

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    10. Re:Name spelling; other info links. by RipRock · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the links and you're right. When I first read the name, it sounded Korea at first, but when I saw "Sunt-tae", I figured it can't be since there isn't a Korean word that can sound "Sunt".

      But as the another member pointed out, it was spelled phonetically. And looking at his actual Korean name, ë¥ì±ífoe, it should indeed be "Sung-tae".

  2. Problem scaling? by gmuslera · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Site getting slashdotted in 3..2..1...

    1. Re:Problem scaling? by volume4 · · Score: 1

      Ryu is having big problems with his hosting provider.

  3. Re:my 1st first post? by Extremus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    They call everything a phd these days...

  4. I can do a better write-up than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about:

    "Activity participated in by some."

    Much more descriptive.

  5. A Little Help? by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Informative

    I mean, would it fucking kill you to make YUI a hyper-link in the summary?

    -Peter

    1. Re:A Little Help? by volume4 · · Score: 1

      Added the link Peter ;)

    2. Re:A Little Help? by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm going to wait for the dupe of this story, where hopefully all the bugs will have been ironed out.

    3. Re:A Little Help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps you would prefer your article summaries in this vein?

      I have to say some description of what UIzard is or does would be far more relevant and important than a link to YUI, though.

    4. Re:A Little Help? by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter. Nobody knows what the thing does nor how to use it.

    5. Re:A Little Help? by kramulous · · Score: 1

      What do you mean?

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    6. Re:A Little Help? by flyingsquid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ulzard was the name of the monster that fought Godzilla in "Godzilla vs. Ulzard the Cybermonster" and later appeared in Ultraman as Ultraman's arch-nemesis, Ulzard, Lord of the Cybermonsters. The costume was made from the body of a bear suit, a samurai helmet, a bunch of tin foil and duct tape wrapped around the limbs, and a keyboard on his chest. He was pretty popular in the early 1960s, I think, before the company was sued and shut down for ripping off a "Gamera" script too closely. There was talk of a movie being made in 2007, with Nicolas Cage to play as Ulzard's creator, Dr. Gohoro. But the studio backed out of the deal and they are now back to trying to secure funding.

    7. Re:A Little Help? by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Finally, a description we can understand.
      Thank you.

    8. Re:A Little Help? by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Maybe you can describe that page full of icons so we can understand what they are for. Linking to a display of all highway signs doesn't explain what they are for.

  6. Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript by Foofoobar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yet another web dev WYSIWYG done in javascript. Creeps, crashs and crawls whereas a desktop app like Eclipse is far more reliable and stable. Why are people still trying to do this in javascript?

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    1. Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Well, as long as he's not spending an inordinate time with The Wonder Girls:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Girls

      or with Li Hyori:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Hyori

      Then i am sure the code will get done... in do.. ummm, due time...

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    2. Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript by fuzzix · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yet another web dev WYSIWYG done in javascript. Creeps, crashs and crawls whereas a desktop app like Eclipse is far more reliable and stable.

      Hahaha.

      Oh wait, you were serious. Let me laugh even harder - HAW HAW HAW!

    3. Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet another web dev WYSIWYG done in JAVA. Creeps, crashs and crawls whereas a desktop app like VC++ is far more reliable and stable. Why are people still trying to do this in JAVA?

      now rewind ten years. ajax is becoming more popular, computing speeds going up, and 'cloud' is the buzzword of the day. i think it makes sense.

    4. Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript by cd.rubysocks · · Score: 1

      Funny you mention the wonder girls. Lately I've been spending a lot of my time with Girls' Generation.

    5. Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      Your nervous laughter denotes a sense of ignorance and fear. You either have no clue what you are talking about or no clue what you are doing.

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    6. Re:Web Dev WYSIWYG in Javascript by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      From my understanding, Eclipse (and by derivative OpenOffice and all other projects based on that codebase) has a C++ backend. Only the rendering is done in JAVA. This is a fallacy spread by Windows people scared of an Open Source World.

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  7. From the article, for the lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    And so it was said...

    UIzard(User Interface Wizard) is a tool that helps users create UIâ(TM)s easily. Basically, the user can create UI pages based on YUI, and develop an application by writing the functionality according to specific events(click or drag) for each UI object. (like in Visual Studio or XCode...) The result is generated on the basis of HTML and JS. Uizardâ(TM)s goal is to be a general web-based development tool like Google Docs or Spreadsheet, the web-based office tool. However, it's just a beta-version at the experimentation stage, so I hope to keep your interest and look forward to its future.

    1. Re:From the article, for the lazy by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      That description also applies to a web scraper written with PHP objects. I doubt there's excitement over a web scraper tool, so further description is needed.

  8. So what the hell is it? by vondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apart from "awesome"?

    1. Re:So what the hell is it? by plut4rch · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Something nobody has heard of."

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    2. Re:So what the hell is it? by DeadDecoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I've seen ala google:images Uizard, it appears to be a gui for creating web guis, so another dreamweaver I guess.

    3. Re:So what the hell is it? by Facegarden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, what the hell is this? Why do people post articles without at least a *little* bit of description of what the hell they are talking about!?
      -Taylor

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    4. Re:So what the hell is it? by osgeek · · Score: 1

      Because people are stupid.

      The real question is why do the Slashdot editors approve them?

    5. Re:So what the hell is it? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because Slashdot editors are stupid.

    6. Re:So what the hell is it? by pelrun · · Score: 3, Funny

      Therefore... Slashdot editors are people?

      Wait, that can't be right.

    7. Re:So what the hell is it? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Logical error, your conclusion is not valid. It does not follow that Slashdot editors are people just because they are stupid.

      A valid conclusion could be made with the following statement: People are stupid > Slashdot editors are people > Slashdot editors are stupid.

      The reverse of that (which was not stated and so cannot be assumed) would be: Those who are stupid are people > Slashdot editors are stupid > Slashdot editors are people.

      You cannot conclude anything from People are stupid > Slashdot editors are stupid. There is not enough information to make a valid conclusion about Slashdot editors beyond that they are stupid. It is nothing more than a correlation.

      You could "fix" the problem by adding the word "only" to the premis, as follows: Only people are stupid > Slashdot editors are stupid > Slashdot editors are people.

      That would be valid, but it also requires you to change the premis slightly to make it so.

      Cheers!

      BTW, can I call myself a Logic Nazi?

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    8. Re:So what the hell is it? by Rip+Dick · · Score: 1

      can I call myself a Logic Nazi?

      Yes... yes, you can.

    9. Re:So what the hell is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A valid conclusion could be made with the following statement: People are stupid > Slashdot editors are people > Slashdot editors are stupid."

      That would have to be "All people are stupid."

    10. Re:So what the hell is it? by pelrun · · Score: 1

      WHOOOOSH!

    11. Re:So what the hell is it? by Ant+P. · · Score: 2, Funny

      Clearly, the logical conclusion is that Soylent Green is Slashdot editors.

    12. Re:So what the hell is it? by thechao · · Score: 1

      It appears to be free marketing for some webcompany. I don't speak or read marketroid in any language, but it appears to be a UI designer for web-apps. So... probably 3% of the functionality of Visual Studio (15% of Anjuta) but 1000x slower.

    13. Re:So what the hell is it? by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      Sure, but watch out for spelling nazis.

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  9. Hadouken by Boronx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Has Ryu managed restore his hadouken yet?

  10. Interesting Gee Whiz Application by Sherman+Peabody · · Score: 0

    If you feel like reading another 'Those kids sure are doing crazy things with technology' article hear it is.

    Having said that, it's still pretty cool. Now if you could get that to integrate with Eclipse, Spring, and Struts...

    1. Re:Interesting Gee Whiz Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Struts ? Seriously ? Why ??

  11. You hooked up by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    that's better luck than I have with craigslist.

  12. Probably Japanese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's probably Japanese, not Korean. And Sunt-tae is the best he can do to try and help people pronounce a small tsu in his last name. Oh, and Japanese does the same thing as Korean for some w-sounds. They don't have the sounds made by the letter v, are missing the th sound, and several others. There's a lot more different than just the L vs R confusion that's so infamous.

    Anyhow, that's my guess about the spelling, given that it's easy to see what the kana would be for this name. Slashdot will eat them if I type them, but to give the required pronunciation, the name would be written as: [ri][small-yu] [su][n][small-tsu][ta][e].

    It is, however, just a guess. I, too, puzzled over the hyphen in his name when I first saw it.

  13. I don't know what YUI know by westlake · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "A couple of days ago, the folks over at Ajaxian introduced the world to UIzard, an awesome creation by a Korean developer using YUI. There is actually a heck of a lot more about it, and the excitement about the app caused the UIzard website to go down

    "Awesome" should be expelled from the vocabulary of anyone over the age of consent.

    1. Re:I don't know what YUI know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wicked sick.

  14. What the hell is this? by The+Fat+Bastid · · Score: 1

    I like summaries to summarize things. That way I know if i may actually be interested in the article's subject. This fails. This is written like a bad Saturday Night Live skit in which the punchline is that the subject is never mentioned.

  15. It must be RED HERING! by salemboot · · Score: 1

    Velma: Jenkies Fred: I know what it is....... Scoobie dooobie dooobiedidooobie ... Fred: REEEEED HERRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  16. SourceForge by Jonas+Buyl · · Score: 1

    So why didn't he just host it on SourceForge? :

  17. Good story, bro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, that's awesome.

  18. UIzarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the excitement about the app caused the UIzard website to go down.

    The site's been UIzarded.

  19. Impressive, but impractical by karaage · · Score: 1

    Kudos to the guy for a well done implementation, but he's applied the wrong tools to the problem. Running an IDE inside a web browser is very inefficient, and completely ignores the better (and widely used) choice of using an OS native UI library.

    1. Re:Impressive, but impractical by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

      You don't get it do you?

      The whole point of this is to NOT USE THE OS NATIVE UI. It is the web baby. You want to use a web UI library.

      Perhaps you meant to use a OS tool to design a web UI but that leads to all other sorts of problems. Plus, if he can do the UI designer of his UI with his UI, then it got to be good.

      Would you use a code editor that wasn't coded with itself?

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    2. Re:Impressive, but impractical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you use a graphics editor that wasn't coded with itself?

    3. Re:Impressive, but impractical by ardle · · Score: 1

      Ok, another example might be: "Would you use a programming language that couldn't compile itself?"

  20. Or it's like... by Hailth · · Score: 0

    then I accidentally the whole thing!!!

  21. looks like someone's trying to reinvent extjs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.extjs.com

    Good job, but this system has a few years left to catch up with Extjs

    1. Re:looks like someone's trying to reinvent extjs by AlXtreme · · Score: 1

      Good job, but this system has a few years left to catch up with Extjs

      I've played around with UIzard, it's completely different to Extjs. Think Eclipse/Dreamweaver-for-the-web, not Yet Another JS Library (YUI is comparable to Extjs).

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  22. Re:Leave Madoff Alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then he should have done the honorable thing and performed ritual self-disembowelment.

  23. Humility.. by raarts · · Score: 1

    Well, I am thoroughly impressed with the humility this guy shows in his replies. 99% of the slashdot posters could learn something from that.

    Instead of throwing around unfounded accusations, calling people 'stupid', blowing their own horns even if they are very young and have accomplished nothing worth mentioning in life.

    Go read the last paragraph of the interview.

    1. Re:Humility.. by volume4 · · Score: 1

      The world can definitely use more people such as yourself. Thanks!

    2. Re:Humility.. by Raffaello · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Clearly this guy is not full of himself but has a healthy respect for the size of the task he is taking on, and the importance of the input of others:

      I have many more ideas to make the web-environment richer than the results I have actually implemented apart from UIzard. However it is so hard to do those things all by myself because I've never carried out or even joined an Open Source Project. I know nothing about it and I don't know how to make it work. I keep my eyes and ears open all the time. I am only 24 years old and still have so many things to learn. I still need to improve my ability. I have more ideas than I can actually work out. Thus, I need passionate developers younger or as young as me and also need expert developers who can share their knowledge, know-how and techniques. I am grateful to everyone around the world who showed interest in my work. This is an unforgettable and fruitful time of my life. Thanks again for your interview request and offer of free hosting support. (I will get in touch about the usage of hosting after consultation with others and as soon as I organize the community with the developers of Korea and around the world who are willing to participate in the UIzard project). I will do my best to make it well worth your interest.