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Computer Chess Programs Vie "Live" For World Championship

Alex Laburu writes "The 17th World Computer Chess Championship is taking place in Pamplona through the 18th of May. As of this writing, Rybka (winner of the last two editions) is ahead of the pack and playing Shredder to consolidate its lead over Junior. You can watch the games live or otherwise follow the tournament asynchronously on the standings page, where you'll also find information about the hardware used by various teams."

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  1. The World's Greatest Spectator Sport by GreenTech11 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Better than lawnbowls AND curling, chess played by computers is the most popular spectator sport...

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    1. Re:The World's Greatest Spectator Sport by RsG · · Score: 2, Funny

      chess played by computers is the most popular spectator sport...

      Until they become self aware that is.

      The old movies got it wrong. Skynet is going to go live after being entrusted to win chess games for its human masters. It will unleash pawnageddon upon us all.

      Fortunately, the robots created to round up humanity will be easily bested. They'll line up, and move in grids, and they'll patiently wait for us to take our turn.

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    2. Re:The World's Greatest Spectator Sport by Jeden · · Score: 2, Funny

      If the Sarah Connor Chronicles has taught me nothing else, it is that chess programs are bad news.

    3. Re:The World's Greatest Spectator Sport by Korbeau · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It will be when computers start playing dramatic moves, or really know, read and adapt to their opponents well. As it is, I found that most comp vs comp games very boring in a strangely drawish way.

    4. Re:The World's Greatest Spectator Sport by kandela · · Score: 2, Funny

      It'd be better if it was Battlechess 3D.

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    5. Re:The World's Greatest Spectator Sport by eennaarbrak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, there is a complete lack of tension. Watching sport (to me at least) is a lot about how players use psychological maneuvers to get their opponent to make a mistake (or do something they would not usually do).

      Just imagine the commentary on a comp vs comp chess game:

      Jim: Comp1 just made the most optimal move under the constraints of its x-heuristics algorithm ...
      Joe: I agree Jim. He must be trying to optimize the variables of his problem.
      Jim: I see comp2 is taking his time choosing between two different but equally scoring outcomes. I wonder if the random number generator used is pseudo or quasi-random?

    6. Re:The World's Greatest Spectator Sport by m00seb0y · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't have to imagine anything. The Spanish chess master Leontxo Garcia is commenting (in Spanish) live on the games on the site.

  2. Haha by KWarp · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the nerdiest sport ever. :D

  3. A history of gaming and entertainment by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Funny

    First, we played games.

    Then, we watched other people play games, and we played computer games.

    Next, we watched other people play computer games.

    And now, eliminating all human-to-human interaction, we watch computers play games.

    Who called us antisocial? ;-) Oh well, king's gambit ftw, rock out with your pawn out, good luck... "ladies and gentlemen"? Or is it "Nuts and Bolts"? "Plugs and Jacks"?

    1. Re:A history of gaming and entertainment by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      And now, eliminating all human-to-human interaction, we watch computers play games.

      Well, we can still watch people program computers to play games, can't we?

      " . . . and the programmer seems to be reaching for a pointer . . . what an exciting programming round!"

      If we add blood and free bread, it might be a hit with the masses.

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    2. Re:A history of gaming and entertainment by MrMista_B · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Er, people still play games, you know. Just because simulations like this get run, doesn't mean that you're suddenl 'not allowed' to play games of your own.

    3. Re:A history of gaming and entertainment by JamesP · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you saying what we need now is a computer programmed to watch a computer chess match?!?!

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  4. Re:Do they have ratings? by linhares · · Score: 5, Interesting
    They usually get estimates of their ratings

    As a chess researcher (in human cognition), I once had dinner with Doug Hofstadter and he mentioned his ideas concerning how a chess program should play, like humans do. It has been my goal for over 5 years now, and it's really hard. I could show Doug's idea that "analogy lies at the core of perception (of any scenario, including chess) by making psychological experiments in all levels, from novices to grandmasters. That work came out in journals like Cognitive Science, Minds & Machines, and New Ideas in Psychology (accepted). So I think we're on the right track. But my paper on the computational model has been rejected three times, the last of which, fortunately, has good reports from referees who only want the piece to be rewritten.

    I long for the day in which Hofstadter's ideas would become more mainstream in AI and cognitive science.

  5. Re:Boring by viyh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Too bad Fischer isn't around. I found him much more interesting to watch than Kasparov. He would smash opponents, including computers (albiet, they weren't nearly up to the level they are now) into submission. Great stuff.

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  6. Re:Do they have ratings? by drmofe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Human play is elegant, but loses to brute force

    Brute force is not elegant

    "Elegant force" where human characteristics combine with the power of machine computation is the end goal

    BUT, winning chess against an equally-skilled opponent is a matter of finding forcing moves. When all forcing moves are known, chess is just a matter of brute force computation and massive memory

  7. Not a real World Championship by Skuto · · Score: 4, Informative

    They restricted the hardware to 8 cores. As a result, the best programs, like those who run over clusters, are not playing.

    Supposedly, this was to make money not a factor. In reality, some very nice expensive dual Nehalems are in action.

    1. Re:Not a real World Championship by spinkham · · Score: 2

      The same organization ran 2 competitions at the same time. The Open Hardware Computer Chess Olympiad had no limits on hardware, and the World Computer Chess Championship has a limit to 8 cores.
      Both were won by the same team, running the Rybka chess engine.

      You can read their recap of the competition and get details of the hardware here:
      http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=11022

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  8. Re:Do they have ratings? by viyh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interesting. Well, then computer chess geeks should refocus on cracking a game of Go. That should keep them busy for a while. :P

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  9. Re:Do they have ratings? by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 2, Informative

    Interesting. Well, then computer chess geeks should refocus on cracking a game of Go. That should keep them busy for a while. :P

    No doubt. There isn't a go program running on anything that I can't give a 9 stone handicap to and crush almost without thinking - and I'm only 2k. The day a computer beats a pro seems to be far in the distant future.

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  10. Re:Non-determinalistic behaviour. by richardcavell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps one day there will be a finite number of 'perfect' games which cannot be improved upon, and a computer that is set up to play perfectly is compelled to play one of them.

    However, chess is nowhere near played out. The computers in this tournament are still making mistakes that cannot yet be identified as such.

    There are two different chess engines in each match-up, so there's enough pseudo-randomness, as you call it, in the differences between the engines, to ensure that these games will be relatively unique.

    Richard