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The Hard Drive Is Inside the Computer

davidmwilliams writes "Those of us who work in technology have a jargon all of our very own. We know the difference between CPUs and GPUs, between SSD and HD, let alone HD and SDTV! Yet, our users are flat out calling everything 'the hard drive.' Why is it so?" As much as I hate to admit it, this particular thing drives me nuts. You don't call the auto shop and tell them that your engine is broken when your radio breaks!

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  1. Meh by MeanMF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get over it.. Who really needs users to identify which piece of their computer is broken? Even if they could tell the different components apart, they'd probably be wrong about where the problem is 90% of the time anyway.

    1. Re:Meh by noundi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well how about this. You, as an IT knowing guy, tell your friend, the retard, that his hard drive is broken. Instead of buying a new hard drive, he buys a new PC, on your recommendation. Language is language and it's important that we are all synced.

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    2. Re:Meh by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well how about this. You, as an IT knowing guy, tell your friend, the retard, that his hard drive is broken. Instead of buying a new hard drive, he buys a new PC, on your recommendation. Language is language and it's important that we are all synced.

      Well, if you tell him the hard drive is broken, and he buys a new computer, then logically he _had_ to buy a new computer because that person would have never, ever been able to buy a new hard drive and to get his old computer with the new hard drive to work. The guy's only choices were to buy a new computer or to pay someone to fix it.

    3. Re:Meh by woodsrunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      agreed. In the example of the radiator, they might say radiator but it could be a thermostat, hose or water pump.

      If everyone knew what was going on the need for technicians would vanish. It's time to get over it and be professional and do your job which is helping people do their jobs by supporting their technology.

      Used to work in the far North as a network programmer for remote, fly-in tribes. When a chief calls the monitor in his broken English a t.v., is he really wrong?

      In cree the word for monitor I have found is teevee. The word for computer is hard drive. Who am I to say they are wrong? I just have to make it's still working for them when I am 500 miles away back home.

    4. Re:Meh by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If everyone knew what was going on the need for technicians would vanish. It's time to get over it and be professional and do your job which is helping people do their jobs by supporting their technology.

      I know what you mean, and I don't think anyone sees it as a major problem, but the reason that it annoys me is that (in my experience) the customers who do things like calling the computer a hard drive are the ones who are under the deluded impression that they know what they're talking about. I have no issue with a pleasant customer who puts a computer on my desk and says "Err, it's not working."; as you said, it's my job to know how to diagnose and fix the computer, not theirs. I find it irritating when someone with the same level of knowledge tells me "My hard drive is broken, does it need more RAM?" or some equally nonsensical statement. If you don't know what you're talking about there's no harm in admitting it, you look a lot worse stringing together random 'tech' words in the hope that you sound smart.

      In cree the word for monitor I have found is teevee. The word for computer is hard drive. Who am I to say they are wrong? I just have to make it's still working for them when I am 500 miles away back home.

      Separate issue, in my opinion. In the context of the article we're communicating in fluent English. In English, hard drive and computer are not synonyms.

    5. Re:Meh by ari_j · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Language is important, indeed. The key to effective communication is to know the language of your audience. If you know that, in your friend's jargon, "hard drive" and "CPU" are both terms used to refer to the entire computer other than external peripherals, you should tell him "a part inside your computer is broken but it can be fixed or even replaced without you having to buy a new computer."

      You get bonus points if you know his interests well enough to formulate a good analogy, such as "a part inside your computer needs to be replaced or fixed, kind of like if your Mustang won't start because it needs a new distributor cap."

      Communication is 90% knowing your audience.

    6. Re:Meh by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But people are expected to know that a radiator is not the same as a car. I don't expect people to know the difference between SATA and IDE, but they need to know the difference between the engine and the wheels.

      If you want to discuss something, you need to know at least a decent subset of the vocabulary that goes with it. If you don't, then you use phrases like "my car is broken" and "it keeps overheating", not "the axel is broken". Just because you know the word axle is a car thing doesn't mean it's OK to use it to refer to any part of the car.

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    7. Re:Meh by Ioldanach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Haha what!? You build up an entire argument based on the fact that his only choice is to actually buy another PC and then shit on your own face in the end? Why!? Of course he should pay someone to fix it, if it's a perfectly functioning PC with a missing hard drive, why wouldn't he!? You're weird man.

      Because this friend knows so little about computers that they're going to end up asking the Geek Squad, or a similar outfit, to do it for them. They're going to need their hard drive swapped out ($100 for the part, $50 for the labor), data mirrored ($160), they'll probably get convinced they need their operating system reinstalled ($130), primary office suite reinstalled ($50), and antivirus software ($30). Of course, all these numbers are presuming they still hold the disks and license keys the various software started with. At a cost of $520 for a machine that's probably at least 2 years old, they might notice in the store that they could just get a brand new system for less than that.

    8. Re:Meh by Dishevel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that "Shit" works in that sentence. Although I think that the second instance of "Shit" could have been replaced with "crap".

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    9. Re:Meh by DarkIye · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dear sir or madam,

      Your only contention would appear to be that you are simply not 'hip' to the 'rhymes' from the 'ghetto' like this gentleman or I clearly am. I would be so presumptuous as to suggest that you are the one at error.

      Much obliged for you to stop 'hating',
      Wizzy Bizzy Izzy Thizzy Dogg

    10. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, send them a URL to Newegg of the thing they need to buy and then make them buy you dinner when you install it? Jeez, all this social networking and nobody knows how to have friends anymore.

    11. Re:Meh by powerlord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I don't understand. I was using my computer and The Windows broke."

      "The Windows keeps restarting every time I turn it on."

      "I think I have a virus, The Windows is running slower."

      "I think there is something wrong with The WIndows. It keeps beeping and the TV won't turn on."

      Works for me.

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    12. Re:Meh by Xaedalus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just wanted to say thank you for doing this. That is an example of excellent customer service and excellent sales tactics. Informed customers are happy customers, and happy customers come back to you. I wish more businesses would take the time to do what you do. So some karmic kudos to you, sir. You deserve them. :-)

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    13. Re:Meh by broggyr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are a lot of folks that can't "do shit for themselves". Just because we know how to do this stuff doesn't mean everyone does (or is physically able to). The old phrase "Everyone is stupid, just in different areas" applies here. I don't know the first thing about replacing the roof on my house; does this mean I have to know how to replace it simply because I own it?

      If everyone knew how to do their own PC work, that'd kill off a large percentage of businesses. I do my best to help the person understand what it is they are talking about without being condescending; it's not their fault if they can't get it. They are most likely good at other things, such as accounting, etc.

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    14. Re:Meh by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do you suppose they check the email or URL out on when their hard drive is crashed?

      That's something that always puzzled me. Our local electric coop decided to discontinue the 800 number to see if your power outage was already reported. Instead, they went to a website so that you can conveniently turn on your computer without electricity, navigate through your dark as night router to enter your address in a website to see if your power outage needs to be reported or not. At least with the 800 number, it used your phone number from caller ID (or enter it manu8aly) to check your billing records for your address coverage and if it wasn't reported, you could just press numbers on the keypad at the prompts and automatically report the outage. Now you conveniently need to not need power at your house to report an outage.

  2. Modem Box by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I also get the term "modem box" frequently, in reference to the tower.

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  3. This is why IDLE is a category... by Doches · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...so I don't click on pointless drivel like this by mistake.

  4. Known terms by Allicorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's one of the few components they routinely hear about which is usually referred to with words rather than letters and is therefore easier to remember. Since it becomes the only known (though not understood) technical term, a certain class of users will invoke it at every opportunity they get to make themselves sound as if they know what they're talking about and thereby deserve some preferential treatment.

    This is not something specific to computing. The same type of people will constantly refer their mechanic to their "carburetor" or their plumber to their "ball cock" ;-)

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    1. Re:Known terms by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not just that (although that is certainly part of it). The "computer" is on their desk (keyboard, mouse and monitor), so whatever else is connected to the "computer" needs its own name. I can never get it through my sister's head that the "computer" is the box on the floor and the stuff on her desk is just peripherals. Whenever she has a problem with her computer it takes me forever to figure out if the problem is something I can walk her through over the phone or if I need to drive over there to fix it.

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  5. When you work with it daily..... by killerkoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I completely understand. If our users had a better grasp of technology, they would be making all the numb skull mistakes. The same mistakes that are ranked Level 1 importance, when in fact every else on my plate is actually more important.

    If they used the proper terms, I wouldn't have to carry around a mini shop in a bag.

    What I am have a problem with, is when they get offended by you asking them questions that could help me fix it right now, over the phone. Saving them time and, most of the time, money.

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  6. Priority by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think of the issue from the point of view of someone who has no interest in the technical aspects of a computer. They see the entire desktop amalgamation--display, keyboard, mouse, and box of chips--as the computer. Now consider the first time that the computer, as a whole, caused them anxiety or stress: for most people when a document was lost, or when the system failed to boot, or when the system began malfunctioning. That anxiety was not caused, most frequently, by the CPU, or the motherboard, or by the memory, or the monitor, or the mouse. The source of the anxiety was something that happened with the hard drive. In their struggle to appear to know more about the computer they have managed to identify that there is a significant component called the hard drive. It's a default setting. If the word they are looking for is not the entire computer then, by default, it must be the hard drive.

    People do know the difference between the radio and the engine of a car because, for many people, the radio is every bit as important as the engine and, should the radio go out, it would cause them just as much anxiety as the engine going out.

    Another poster mentioned 'modem box'. Those people, obviously, have had their largest and most stressful experience with the computer when the modem was no longer working properly. Blame that one on AOL.

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    1. Re:Priority by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm happy to allow trained professionals to deal with my car when there's a problem. Often times, I don't know the source of the problem. That being said- I still know the difference between, say, the engine and the starter. I can tell the difference between a brakes problem and an engine problem. But I couldn't tell you much more than that.

      The problem isn't that they don't know- it's that they just go ahead and use random words that they don't know. If I don't know the problem, or anything related to it- I describe the symptoms, and don't pretend to know more than I do. I certainly don't suggest that the solenoid on the belts is causing a gas leak.

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  7. Re:Just hard drive? by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And if I hear the phrase "now, I am computer illiterate..." one more fucking time....

    The best therapy for that one though, is to mentally change illiterate to ignorant.

    Trust me, those people are fine. It's the ones who pretend to know what they're talking about, that cause the headaches.

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  8. It's our fault... by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the problem is actually that the computer field didn't come up with a proper term themselves. I remember way back-in-the-day some computer enthusiasts calling it "the CPU" which is also highly misleading. Nowadays, computer people will call it, "the tower", "the machine", "the box", or something like that. But let's face it--these are actually not very good terms. We don't actually have a precise and universal term that refer to it. The situation was muddled by the fact that there is no standard form-factor for a computer (we went from big servers, to boxes laying down, to boxes standing up like towers, to all-in-ones like iMacs, with all kinds of variations in between...).

    Now this isn't a problem for computer people. We know what "power cycle the system" means and we can be precise by saying "press the button on the front of the case". But because amongst ourselves we don't consistently use a precise term, other people just picked-up on whatever term sounded right. We kept referring to "the hard drive" while pointing at (actually inside) the box, so people thought the box was "the hard drive". It's understandable.

    The whole situation is funny, but not the end of the world. You just have to keep in mind that when someone uses precise terminology (like "hard drive" or "operating system" or "internet") they could very well be using it wrong.

  9. Sure by earnest+murderer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But outside of nerddom, computers are all software. People make the distinction between the motor and the radio because they interact with the stereo and the motor separately. And really, most people would identify the alternator, water pump, and headders as "motor". Most people have never opened the case to their pc and only know it as the thing they have to turn on to get at the internet.

    I think it's mostly an issue of people having been trained for years that the relevant part is the hard drive and that everything else is just nerd jargon for the crap that supports the drive.

    Frankly, they're right.

    Everything lives on the hard drive, and when some part fucks up, it's their data that gets screwed up and the software that they interact with that tells them or quits working. The particular component that failed is pretty much irrelevant. The data on the drive is inaccessible or corrupt.

    In a similar but related argument that pops up once in a while... nerds talk about hardening the Linux OS and say things like "the only thing rogue software could destroy is user data, the OS proper remains unharmed". Neglecting the fact that the whole fucking purpose is the data.

    Users call it the hard drive because that's the only part that actually matters.

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  10. It doesn't stop there by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try to get them to understand that they need to buy 2 Gigs of ram when they could have hundreds for the same price... only that these Gigs come in hard drive form.

    But you may excuse them, IMO. We do use similar terms for quite different things. Graphics ram and system ram are both measured in MB and GB, but they are not interchangable. You cannot make your Windows run faster with a graphics card of 1GB ram, if you only have 128MB system memory, it won't do you any good. And Megahertz, Megabyte... they're both Mega, right. And if the advertising industry taught me anything, Mega means good, so it's gotta be great...

    Snideness aside. Maybe our jargon is a bit hard to understand outside the biz. Your muffler is a muffler and it doesn't belong anywhere else. The fluids you fill into the various places in your car are very easy to keep apart. Breaking flued does not only sound different than fuel, it also smells and looks very different.

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  11. Re:IT Crowd by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IIRC it was more like

    "I could go on"
    "Clicking ... double clicking... the mouse... mice ... the thing under the table"
    "The hard drive!"
    "Correct".

    The fun (or not so fun, IMO) part of our profession is that you can BS anyone into believing anything, as long as you stay ahead just an inch. Sadly, this also means that imposters can easily become your boss if they can pull off a better show than you, despite not knowing anything about Komputars.

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  12. Re:cutting-edge word definition? by uglyduckling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, because in many parts of the English speaking world (presumably excluding North America) "to twig" is widely understood to mean "to understand", and in fact generally implies a sudden realisation of something that other may have found obvious. It's not obscure and not elitist, it's just not American.

  13. As a CFO once told me by zerofoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A CFO at a local community bank once told me (I was the manager of network services for the bank):

    "I don't want to know how the watch works, I just want to know what time it is."

    That put my job into perspective.

    -ted

  14. Re:That will never be as aggravating as memory vs. by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try the "computer as kitchen" analogy.

    System memory = counter top; where stuff that's being worked on now is
    Hard drive = refrigerator and cabinets; stuff you want to keep/use, but aren't using now
    CPU = oven
    Programs = food processor, blender, etc.

    I've found it to work surprisingly well.

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  15. It is not just computers by Ravenscall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not long before he died, my grandfather and I were able to bond over this.

    Now, he did not know the first damn thing about computers. Given that he spent most of the first two decades of his life without electricity, I really could not blame him. However, he was a furniture salesman from the 50s through the 70s. I was relating to him some of the frustration of front line tech support, and he told me about some of the things he dealt with back then. Like people calling in because they bought ironing boards, and the ironing board was not ironing their clothes. Or those newfangled microwaves. People would buy them, put the food in, and not understand why the food was not cooking even though they had not turned any dials or pressed any buttons. We shared quite a few laughs over people misunderstanding technologies that are so elementary today a child can use them.

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  16. Re:Talk about jargon by PeterBrett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't twig just what she meant at the time.

    Trying to use a cutting-edge word definition which only a select few know makes you look, and sound, elitist as well as trying too hard (which also applies to this common sense blurb called an article).

    You, sir, are an arse. Someone using decades-old British colloquialisms does not warrant such a ridiculous diatribe.

  17. Re:That will never be as aggravating as memory vs. by MunkieLife · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would probably change CPU = Oven analogy. Maybe CPU = Chef or Chefs. If you have a really fast chef or chefs, but no counter space, then shit can only be done so fast... but if you have a slow Chef, it doesn't matter how much counter space you have, shit ain't gonna be done fast.