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IBM Pushing Water-Cooled Servers, Meeting Resistance

judgecorp writes "IBM has said that water-cooled servers could become the norm in ten years. The company has lately been promoting wider user of the forty-year-old mainframe technology (e.g., here's a piece from April 2008), which allows faster clock speeds and higher processing power. But IBM now says water cooling is greener and more efficient, because it delivers waste heat in a form that's easier to re-use. They estimate that water can be up to 4,000 times more effective in cooling computer systems than air. However, most new data center designs tend to take the opposite approach, running warmer, and using free-air cooling to expend less energy in the first place. For instance, Dutch engineer Imtech sees no need for water cooling in its new multi-story approach which reduces piping and saves waste."

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  1. Any prediction over ten years is null and void by Meshach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These kind of predictions always remind me of Bill Gates asserting that "640 K should be enough for anybody."

    Hardware and software faces change so fast; who has any idea what will be required or available in even ten years?

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  2. Re:What a waste of water! by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The community in which a server farms is found surely has a need for what will be thousands of gallons a day. To the benefit of all, I'd suggest diverting a small amount of the heated water (hopefully near boiling) to another piping system in the building ....

    I'm sure it could be designed as a closed system with a heat exchange into the ground or outdoors. Indeed, it is the high temperature (relative to outdoors) at which the water is extracted straight off the CPU which makes this more efficient than air conditioning.

    However if you wanted to let it feed into the building's hot water system, it turns out there is already a really elegant way to do that: a tempering valve. It's a mechnical device which chooses the right amount of hot and cold water (each of arbitrary, variable temperatures) to produce some fixed output temperature. So to make moderately hot water you can combine some warm water from the servers and some super hot water from the boiler. The "free" server heat offsets the amount of water that needs to be heated by conventional means.

  3. Resistance by spectrokid · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they meet resistance, can't they just add some salt to the water?

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  4. Not for all by __aarvde6843 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked in several banks using IBM mainframes. The server room was always like a freezer.

    I think for now, many companies are perfectly ok with air cooling solutions. Besides, it's much safer to have air-conditioning and fans than some liquid flowing. The simpler the system, the less accidents occur within it...

    And believe me when I say that, if a company owns an IBM mainframe, they pay big bucks and they *don't* want any accidents.

  5. Great working conditions... by yogibaer · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the article: "We can use that to heat offices, or water for a swimming pool". Job Ad: "Wanted: Sysadmin, we offer: all year heated office (20+ C), swimming pool, Jacuzzi (body temperature) integrated coffe mug wamer in tabletop and always a nice, warm breeze from our datacenter." IBM could even use the swimming pool as a cooling tank (or is it the other way round?).

  6. Re:4000 times? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where do people always get these kinds of numbers.

    this is a situation where a link to goatse would actually answer your question.

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  7. Ratio of specific heat capacities by NCamero · · Score: 5, Informative

    All IBM is saying is that water is a better heat conductor, and air is an insulator.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_heat_capacity

    Water ; 4 J /cm^3 K
    Air ; 0.001 J /cm^3 K

    Water/Air = 4000 times more heat transfer.

    So, given the choice, you would use water to transfer heat.

    1. Re:Ratio of specific heat capacities by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Informative

      My personal experience with using passive (no fans) water-cooling with my desktop PC at home (the setup is similar to this: http://www.silent.se/bilder/reserator1_c_p-410.jpg) is that that it's exceptionally effective.

      In my setup a cylinder full of water surrounded by fins to dissipate the heat and with a pump to make water flow as the only active element have replaced a big nasty CPU heatsink with a large fan (on a heavily overclocked CPU)* and a set of fans on a single high-end graphics card of the previous generation. At an ambient temperature in the room where this is in of about 20-25C The whole thing idles at 28C and stays at around 60C with everything going on at max - considering that with everything going on at full throttle the system is using almost 400W, it's impressive how efficient it all is.

      In practice, "home" water-cooling mostly just uses the water as a heat carrier to quickly move the heat around from the inside of the computer case (and it's constrained airflow) to a place where it is easier to dissipate that heat into the ambient air either with a more efficient radiator and fans (for the active systems) or with an outsized heatsink (like the one I use which has roughly 10 times the surface of the ones it replaces).

      In an "industrial" deployment, said heat being carried in the water cold potentially be used/dissipated in many more ways. For example large pipes could transport the hot water coming out of a data-center to the sea or a river and let it be dissipated there (keeping a closed circuit and returning the cool water back for reuse). The actual running costs in terms of active elements for such a system are limited to the cost of running a number of large efficient water pumps that make the water flow around the circuite as opposed to most data-centers out there at the moment that use (less efficient) small fans to move the air out of the blade boxes into the room and then active refrigeration to cool down the air in the room.

      * Since the point of my argument is not to show off my "virtual dick", I've moved the relevant stats down here for those that are curious on the details: CPU - Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz which is overclocked to 3.2GHz, GPU - GTS280

  8. Re:4000 times? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just try this. See how long you can stand naked (OK wear some running shorts) in air at 5 degrees centigrade. Probably fifteen minutes standing still or indefinitely if running.

    Now see how long you can stay in water at 5 degrees centigrade. For most people it would be less than a minute - you may not even be able to get in.

  9. Re:I watercooled my server years ago!!! by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try to keep up IBM.

    IBM was water-cooling machines at least as early as the 1970s.

    -jcr

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  10. Re:4000 times? by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Water has a density of 1000kg per meter^3. Air is 1Kg per meter^3. Water has a much higher heat capacity than air. Current systems go from CPU->Air->Water and you need a thermal gradient for each, not to mention that blasting cold air through a server wastes quite a lot of air. Cut out the air and 4000 times seems quite likely, but I can't be bothered running the numbers.

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  11. Air is not necessarily simpler by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Actually, you are wrong. Designing an air cooled system is hard. You have to deal with problems of filtration (there will be dust - but where do you want it to build up?), ensuring that the flow goes where you want, turbulence, finding room for the ducting, designing the system so that components do not mask other components, and needing to handle high volumes of air. With properly designed water cooling, you have a few quite simple heat removal blocks and a simple plumbing system which can route pretty much anywhere.

    This is why nowadays virtually all internal combustion engines of any power output use liquid cooling despite the apparent reliability benefits of air cooling. To take the transition period, WW2, as an example, you only have to look at the complexity of American rotary aircooled designs versus, say, the liquid cooled Merlin engine, to see the point. It would be astonishing if the same transition did not eventually occur for large computers.

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  12. Re:When I come to office today by miffo.swe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Problems with crystals comes with some types of water where there are a high degree of lime in it. While its simpler to just use heat exchangers you could also use waterfilters that separates the minerals from the water before use. Most places have water with low amounts of lime and minerals so deposits arent really a problem.

    I had a company that made solar panels (heating houses) and inverters for house warming. In some cases we took ground water and extracted heat directly from it and when taken apart those heat exchangers very rarely showed any deposits at all even after ten years of use.

    The easiest way to see what type of water you have is to look in your toilet and your sink. If there are much deposits there (not brown ones) you have water thats high with lime or other minerals.

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