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Study Shows "Secret Questions" Are Too Easily Guessed
wjousts writes "Several high-profile break-ins have resulted from hackers guessing the answers to secret questions (the hijacking of Sarah Palin's Yahoo account was one). This week, research from Microsoft and Carnegie Mellon University, presented at the IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy, will show how woefully insecure secret questions actually are. As reported in Technology Review: 'In a study involving 130 people, the researchers found that 28 percent of the people who knew and were trusted by the study's participants could guess the correct answers to the participant's secret questions. Even people not trusted by the participant still had a 17 percent chance of guessing the correct answer to a secret question.'" Schneier pointed out years ago how weird it is to have a password-recovery mechanism that is less secure than the password.
I don't think many people would guess the name of my first pet was OIYNTDttye7it867t&%&^%&^T(
Secret questions are only less secure than passwords if they tell you the password right away. But if they reset the password and email the new one to a pre-specified email account then just guessing the answer isn't enough; you'd have to have access to the victim's email account too.
This doesn't really work that well if the password is actually for someone's email account, though.
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What is the surprise? They don't have to follow the same rules as passwords (letters and at least 1 number, etc) that many sites enforce. Plus, if they don't let you make your own question, they pretty much stick to the same stupid, generic 5-8 questions they all have.
If someone was really wanted to go on a phishing expedition, they would open a site that requires registration, security questions, and all that, and then try the information on the webmail of the people who just registered. Probably would work phenomally as well.
If websites wanted to be truly secure, they would ask for a mailing address or at least a phone number to confirm resetting things (thinking of financial accounts, not stupid forums). They confirm the same inane, easily duplicable facts in real life, but at least they have to reach you at a confirmed safe location.
You just gave it all away! Now we know that the question was "what is your sexual orientation" ...
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Secret questions are way to easily guessed. They should just stick to the most reliable password of all, mother's maiden name. Who the hell else would know that?
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I just keep a gpg-encrypted file with all my passwords. When sites ask these retarded questions, I just generate a long random alphanumeric string (using a little perl script), and save it in my gpg file. This file is heavily backed up. I cannot imagine a scenario where I would lose a password, or the answers to "secret questions".
The only time I've had a problem is with stupid websites that require registration (and I don't care about, so didn't write down the gibberish I wrote in their registration form) and some time later I decided to come back to that stupid site.
1^2=1; (-1)^2=1; 1^2=(-1)^2; 1=-1; 1=0.
You just submit the hash of your answer as the real answer? This would outwit a sizeable proportion of attacks by people who know you, as they might be unlikely to guess that you'd do this, and even if they do, they'd still have to guess the hash type.
:P
Then again, if they truly know you, then maybe they'd guess you'd be this paranoid
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Crack my account and I'll use your idea ^^
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
If I'm allowed to choose the question, I use the time-tested method that was used in 80s games, which is "word in page x, line x, x-th word". If I'm not, it's usually a "pet" or "mother's name" question and I use the characters names or animals in the book.
I also use the book as a source for passwords for the many accounts I have everywhere on the internet. I spell out the login name in the book (say "Mylogin") by looking for the first word starting with "M", then the next word with "y", then the nex word with "l", etc... until I find a word that starts with "n", use the very next word that's 8 characters or more, append the line number, and that's my password.
I usually remember most passwords I use all the time, but for the accounts I seldom use, the book title is the only thing I need to remember to recover my passwords. Given the size of my library and the fact that the book is a huge, boring French novel, tough luck even for a burglar to find it.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Shame I just used my mod points. There are plenty of cultures in which women don't change their names when they marry, and even in those where they do they tend not to change them unless they marry, which is becoming less common. Fortunately banks are starting to wake up, and maybe in a decade they'll all have semi-sensible account security.
Yes, but "Where are the bodies buried?" isn't really the question you want to choose for password recovery.
To be fair, most of the systems I have seen that have secret question type security don't let you in on the basis of the secret question, they email a replacement password to you, and only use the secret question to reduce DOS attacks and minimise the sending of plain-text passwords. Surely in that case it's only an issue if the cracker has already compromised your email account?
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So, it seems every slashdotter is submitting his best SHA1 fancy trick to answer the security question. But I think you missed the problem. The problem is not securing the accounts of smart tech-savvy people, as they should already know how to do it themselves. It is "how do we make sure that Joe the Plumber, Granny, and Sarah do not set dumb-ass security questions leading their account to be pwned in less than ten seconds?"
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i, too, have always deplored the secret question. so many sites force you to use them but they are really just insecure back doors into your account.
my solution? for years i've been treating passwords and secret questions as two fields each, delimited by a non-alphanumeric. for example: say my mother's maiden name is "harris", i and i'm entering it as a secret answer on amazon.com. i would answer "amazon*harris". for passwords, i have a standard password, for example, "ninjasinmypants". at amazon.com, my password would be "amazon*ninjasinmypants". that way my password is different from site to site, but still easy to remember.
add some password common-sense, e.g. not using dictionary words, and you end up with pretty strong passwords that are easy to remember.