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Special Effects Lessons From JJ Abrams' Star Trek

brumgrunt writes "JJ Abram's hugely successful — on many levels — reboot of Star Trek has, for Den Of Geek, brought to the fore a lesson about special effects that many movie makers have been missing. Surely it's time now that special effects were actually used properly?" (The new film is not without some goofs, though only a few of the ones listed by Movie Mistakes' nitpickers are sciency.)

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  1. summarizing the article for you... by Yold · · Score: 5, Interesting

    don't rely on special effects for content

    Some movies are made to entertain people between the ages of 4 and 70 (i.e. spiderman). The wider the age range, the less room there is for typical plot elements, because younger audiences get bored quickly. Some movies are pretty good just because of their CGI alone. I might be risking my geek-card here, but none of the new Star Wars were actually that boring due to all the big-budget CGI/effects.

    1. Re:summarizing the article for you... by slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      none of the new Star Wars were actually that boring due to all the big-budget CGI/effects.

      Yes, it was the script and the acting that made them ponderously boring.

    2. Re:summarizing the article for you... by xouumalperxe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I might be risking my geek-card here, but none of the new Star Wars were actually that boring due to all the big-budget CGI/effects.

      Boring? No. But I haven't watched any of them a second time, whereas I still watch the original trilogy every once in a while.

    3. Re:summarizing the article for you... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      don't rely on special effects for content

      Why not? The special effects were the only thing that kept me going. The storyline pissed me off both as a Trekker (destruction of Vulcan, Kirk as a whiny bitch, Spock and Uhura as an item) and as a normal movie goer (3rd year cadet gets command of the flagship at the end of the movie? yeah, right....).

      The effects saved the movie for me. From the little touches (ships don't always share the same z-axis, the Arcologies in Iowa) to the re-imagined ships, engineering with actual engineering components (save the stupid water pipe scene) and a bridge that looked every bit as crowded and chaotic as you'd expect for controlling a starship with a crew of a thousand.

      If it wasn't for the well done effects I would have walked out in disgust. The storyline wasn't as bad as some of the treknobabble particle-of-the-week plots that we've seen in the past but it was no Wrath of Khan or Pale Moonlight either. If I had to rank it with the other movies I'd put it behind Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered County, Generations and First Contact.

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    4. Re:summarizing the article for you... by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      don't rely on special effects for content

      Or to put it another way: if your viewers realize that they are watching special effects, you're doing it wrong.

      One of the biggest successful CGI movies ever was Forrest Gump - because nobody was thinking "cool special effects", everyone was concentrating on the plot of the movie. And the plot, after all, is the main point.

  2. Wasn't that long ago... by hal2814 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FTA: "when was the last time we had a blockbuster summer movie of any genre as downright entertaining as this one?" Iron Man last year. IMHO, Iron Man spent a bit too much time focused on taking on and off the suit. Other than that, the special effects were great and fit in with the movie. I especially loved him getting out of captivity using the original suit.

  3. What I learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even in a black hole there are too many lens flares.

  4. Re:Two words by Anubis350 · · Score: 5, Funny

    better than "lens cap"! :-p

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  5. Re:Connection? by henrypijames · · Score: 5, Informative

    BTW, the author of TFA is the submitter of this "story" (email address matches byline).

  6. Re:Two words by stjobe · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's that then, when you move your lens in a particularly talented way?

    Or did you mean flare?

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  7. Underwhelmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After all the reviews I guess maybe my expectations were too high, but personally I thought this movie was actually pretty cheesy. The whole series of coincidences and bad acting starting with meeting Spock on the planet's surface was just ridiculous. Also, if you have this "red matter" that can create a black hole, why bother to drill to the center of the planet? Hell, you could drop off a black hole around Pluto and still easily destroy the Earth depending on it's size, but at the very least just putting it right next to the Earth would certainly do the job. This movie was more of a shoot-em-up and didn't show any of Kirk's ingenuity like we see in the Wrath of Khan, which I think will probably always stand as the best Star Trek movie ever made. I had always imagined Kirk was much more subtle with his "rigging" of the kobayashi maru test and I was really disappointed to see such a blatant and brainless resetting of the entire program as opposed to a small alteration that gave him just enough of an edge to win somehow.

  8. Lens flare and screen whiteouts /= good effects by lordsegan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a movie that was practically ruined by lens flare and/or screen whiteouts in almost every scene. The cinematographer also insisted on having camera shake in at least 50% of the scenes, even if the ship was moving relatively smoothly though space. If there wasn't camera shake, the camera angle was coming up from the actor's feet at a 35 degree tilt. In sum, the cinematography was distracting and truely, genuinely, terrible.

  9. Science errors (spoilers) by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new film is not without some goofs, though only a few of the ones listed by Movie Mistakes' nitpickers are sciency.

    Uhh... What Star Trek movie were you watching?

    Because in the one *I* watched, they traveled through the event horizon of a black hole, and came back out again (although, this is actually an interesting question over in Trek-land; warp engines let you travel FTL, so could you escape a black hole? I mean, after the tidal forces ripped your puny ship into it's component atoms, of course...)

    Or, how about the "space dive", where they leaped out of a shuttlecraft and suddenly lost all their inertia? How about re-entering the atmosphere in a space-suit without any worries about friction or heat?

    Or how about that giant drill? Why did it fall when they cut it off the ship? If the ship was in geosynchronous orbit, then the drill must have been traveling slightly slower than geo-synchronous orbital speed; it should have very gently drifted eastwards.

  10. Re:Two words by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's that then, when you move your lens in a particularly talented way?

    No, no, no. Lens Flair is the stuff you put on your lens to express yourself. I believe the minimum is 18 pieces.

  11. Enough Shakey Cam! by MCSEBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing that annoyed me the most about the new Trek was the abundance of 'shaking the camera during filming' shots I was subjected to. Can we give that a rest?

    1. Re:Enough Shakey Cam! by pwfffff · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Seconded. I had to leave the theater due to vertigo (I've got nasty seasonal allergies and some blockage in my ears, I think)."

      You left the new Star Trek... due to vertigo... caused by allergies...?

      *hands you my Geek Card*

      Yeah. You get TWO.

  12. Re:This movie is empty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you haven't seen it yet, don't. Download a pirate version first and if you like it, only then go to the cinema.

    Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Paying to see a movie that is still being exclusively shown in theaters is not an optional "tip" that you give to show that you liked the movie. You either pay for the movie and take the risk that you don't like it, or you wait until you can rent it or watch it for free on T.V.

    Your subjective response to a movie is not a factor in the price. If you don't like the movie, then the price you paid subsidies the price paid by others who did like the movie. If you did like the movie, then the price paid by others subsidies the price you paid. On average, it tends to balance itself out.

  13. Re:He could have been captain of a bucket by MaXintosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think people who keep harping on this are missing one glaring fact:

    Kirk successfully successfully got a distraught and emotionally incapacitated captain to step aside, and proceeded to save the earth from total destruction.

    I could be mistaken, but I think the whole earth-saving thing is something they want to encourage in Star Fleet. That, you know, if you SAVE THE EARTH, the normal rules of promotion might become slightly more flexible.