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Verizon Tells Cops "Your Money Or Your Life"
Mike writes "A 62-year-old man had a mental breakdown and ran off after grabbing several bottles of pills from his house. The cops asked Verizon to help trace the man using his cellphone, but Verizon refused, saying that they couldn't turn on his phone because he had an unpaid bill for $20. After an 11-hour search (during which time the sheriff's department was trying to figure out how to pay the bill), the man was found, unconscious. 'I was more concerned for the person's life,' Sheriff Dale Williams said. 'It would have been nice if Verizon would have turned on his phone for five or 10 minutes, just long enough to try and find the guy. But they would only turn it on if we agreed to pay $20 of the unpaid bill.' Score another win for the Verizon Customer Service team."
Any time something like this happens everyone from the first manager with the authority to do something that refuses all the way up the chain gets held responsible for whatever happens as a result of their refusal to act.
Guy dies, they get held responsible for murder because they chose to not assist the police knowing full well that their actions would cause the death of another human being.
Never going to happen.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
'I was more concerned for the person's life,' Sheriff Dale Williams said.
Bully for the cops, for a change! The guys who are supposed to protect and serve, who get such a bad rap in recent years, were trying to figure out how to pay a bill for a guy who was trying to off himself. Goddamit but that makes me feel good.
In the EU, you have to be able to call the emergency number 112 (equivalent of 911 in the USA) even if you have no calling credit. I think that also means the phone is still connecting to cell towers and therefore traceable.
Right now many of these companies have been granted a public monopoly on RF spectrum. The public had better be getting something in return for this; as soon as we're not, as soon as it's no longer in the public interest to grant exclusive license to broadcast on a given frequency to Verizon, that license ought to go away.
Remember, a corporation is a "legal person" so you can't punish an employee for obeying the will of the company.
No. The corporation's status as a legal person protects share holders. It does not protect employees of the corporation. If I charter the "Mafia Collection Agency" corporation and hire assassins, they can still be punished for murder.
In this particular case, an employee that receives the request from law enforcement has three possible actions:
1. Help, turn the phone on.
2. Ignore or delay the request.
3. Escalate to a supervisor.
#1 may or may not be possible to a customer support representative. #3 is an acceptable action.
The highest level that got a documented request and ignored it should be criminally liable. After a few mid level managers go to jail, nobody would be willing to ignore this type of request. Managers would make sure the CYA and send this up the chain until it got to somebody with common sense.
-- Support a free market in the field of government
Nowhere in TFA does it indicate there is any law, rule or regulation requiring Verizon or any cell carrier to activate a delinquent account. Can there be an agreement that this may be a unique situation that has possibly not occurred before?
What about the customer service rep - is s/he really heartless or just following company rules to prevent losing his/her job? How many times have we heard stories of 911 operators ignoring calls for help? Being unthinking is not limited to employees of major businesses.
The last thing I'm going to do is defend a giant corporation, but before the nuclear bombers are called in for an air strike, let's all take a breath. I think the situation is just so unique, there is no procedure for the police to reach the right person to override problems like this. If this were a landline, there are certainly contact people who can be reached to assist with a police investigation.
Cell phone technology is still new, and the capabilities are still being learned. The cell carriers, who many believe should be regulated, must make an effort to prevent situations like this from happening. If events like this happen on a regular basis, the carriers will find themselves heavily regulated, and that will serve no one well. As more and more people eschew landlines in favor of cellular service, carriers need to be proactive in making sure they are ready to help and prevent corporate policies from benefiting the communities they serve.
== First cross river, then insult alligator.
But manslaughter.
Thing is, how do you punish a corporation for manslaughter? Remember, a corporation is a "legal person" so you can't punish an employee for obeying the will of the company.
Rescind their business licences and enjoin the upper management from forming or working in another corporation for X years, where X is the years a normal person would be in jail.
Or better yet, rescind corporate personhood, it was a stupid idea then and it's a stupid idea now.
Allow me to preface my comments here by saying I've worked for Verizon Wireless customer service.
Now that that's out of the way, Verizon Wireless DOES have policies outlined in their "Methods and Procedures" (documents telling agents what to do in X situation) for this circumstance. In fact, when an agent receives a call from someone stating they are a police officer that agent is required to immediately transfer the call (cold transfer, IE: agent transfers and doesn't introduce the officer to the other line) to a special department that is under VZW's legal department (same speed dial number). I've actually had a call similar to this. I don't know if the account was suspended for non-payment, but I received a call from a police officer needing to locate an individual that had been reported missing.
I warm transferred the call (I was honestly nervous as hell because I knew someone's life could be in danger). Instead of just transferring the call, I stayed on the line until I got the agent from that department on the line.
According to the M&Ps, those agents are supposed to do ANYTHING to assist the police in locating a missing person. If that means reconnecting the line, they are supposed to do that.
What this sounds like is that the agent who received the call didn't know that they were supposed to transfer the call to that specialty team and instead tried to handle it themselves. That agent will probably be out of a job very shortly.
So no, this wasn't something that happened because of a corporate policy, this is something that happened because the agent who received the call didn't know what to do and didn't properly follow the corporate policy.
I agree totally. Verizon screwed up, but Sprint will kill you with billing.
I was a Sprint customer once. I was a happy customer for several years. Then they had an error. I was charged $300 over for "roaming". During that period, I never left the city limits where I live. I drove about 10 miles to work and back, with excursions to the grocery store, 1/2 mile from my house. It was a boring period, but I was busy with work. In my haste to pay the bills that month, I just wrote out all the checks and sent them off, and overlooked the overcharge. The next month I was charged $300 again for "roaming". I called. I disputed. They wouldn't listen. They claimed that during the month, I roamed for X hours in another city, about 100 miles away. I paid the amount I owed, without the overage. Now the 3rd bill came in, again with a $300 overage. I pitched a huge fit. I called many many times, and tried to get the charges removed. They wouldn't do it. Over the course of about a week my phone was disconnected because I refused to pay the overages. I continued to call to get it corrected. The insisted I was in the city 100 miles away. Finally, I was told by a slightly more friendly CSR that tomorrow the bill was being sent to collections. I had made a huge effort to make my credit perfect, I didn't want to have any new or bad marks on it. I told them to cancel the account. I had to pay all the "roaming" charges plus an early disconnect fee. Like I said, I had been a customer for years with no changes to my plan, but they considered it an "early disconnect" for unexplained reasons. So, I spent a lot of money to keep it from showing up on my credit history as a negative mark.
A coworker knew a sales rep at Nextel. Most of the people in the company had Nextel phones, and at the time you had to be in the same group to use the 2-way feature (which sucked). I was happy with the bill and the service. Over the next few years, I had a total of 5 lines, for myself, my girlfriend, her daughter, and two friends. The friends couldn't get their own phone service without a huge deposit, so they paid me, and we all were happy. This lasted for several years.
When the Sprint/Nextel merger was announced, I talked to a Nextel CSR who assured me that the bad billing practices by Sprint wouldn't start be reflected at Nextel, as they were to maintain their own separate companies despite the merger. A few months after the merger, my first $300 over charge showed up. I called, I disputed, the refused to fix it. During that billing period, I had moved, and there simply was no Nextel service in the area. I left the phone plugged in on my desk for about a week, and never saw service. I then unplugged it and let it die. I got another bill with $300 in roaming charges. I explained the situation. The refused to fix it. The final bill came in, and I told them, "The phone is dead. Sitting on my desk. The battery has been dead for weeks. It hasn't been used. I refuse to pay this." They didn't show any minutes used, but they still showed the roaming. At this point, I wasn't entertained. I went and bought a Verizon Wireless phone, knowing this wouldn't be resolved. They sent it to collections. I was able to negotiate for a reduced bill, but it shows as a bad spot on my credit.
No, unless you have lots of money to give to a corporation who doesn't care for anything but overcharging, don't go with Sprint/Nextel. You'll be ok for the first few months. Then they'll rape you, and keep raping you. Even if your phone is turned off and useless.
I was very happy with Verizon. They may have screwed up this incident, but in general they're ok. I don't like that they get you for "extras" that should be free, like unlocking the GPS ability in GPS enabled phones, but if you just use the phone as a phone, they're ok. I don't my own Verizon phone right now, because of the economy, or more importantly my lack of money, but when things get better, it's very likely I'll go back to them. My work phone is through Verizon, and I'm happy with the service itself. If they had billing irregularities like Sprint/Nextel, we wouldn't have them right now.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.