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Google Earth Raises Discrimination Issue In Japan

Hugh Pickens writes "The Times (UK) reports that by allowing old maps to be overlaid on satellite images of Tokyo, Osaka, and Kyoto, Google has unwittingly created a visual tool that has prolonged an ancient discrimination, says a lobbying group established to protect the human rights of three million burakumin, members of the sub-class condemned by the old feudal system in Japan to unclean jobs associated with death and dirt. 'We tend to think of maps as factual, like a satellite picture, but maps are never neutral, they always have a certain point of view,' says David Rumsey, a US map collector. Some Japanese companies actively screen out burakumin-linked job seekers, and some families hire private investigators to dig into the ancestry of fiances to make sure there is no burakumin taint. Because there is nothing physical to differentiate burakumin from other Japanese and because there are no clues in their names or accent, the only way of establishing whether or not they are burakumin is by tracing their family. By publishing the locations of burakumin ghettos with the modern street maps, the quest to trace ancestry is made easier, says Toru Matsuoka, an opposition MP and member of the Buraku Liberation League. Under pressure to diffuse criticism, Google has asked the owners of the woodblock print maps to remove the legend that identifies the ghetto with an old term, extremely offensive in modern usage, that translates loosely as 'scum town.' 'We had not acknowledged the seriousness of the map, but we do take this matter seriously,' says Yoshito Funabashi, a Google spokesman." The ancient Japanese caste system was made illegal 150 years ago, but silent discrimination remains. The issue is complicated by allegations of mob connections in the burakumin anti-discrimination organizations.

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  1. Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most tools can be used for discrimatory purposes. Just because I buy a Ford at a used car dealership over an indistinguishable GM (because I like then better) doesn't mean the dealership should get blamed.

    1. Re:Irrelevant by Jurily · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most tools can be used for discrimatory purposes.

      Maybe we should outlaw photographs because it shows skin color.

      Oh, and grammar, because the word "color" is discriminating to the colourful British.

    2. Re:Irrelevant by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ancient stupidity? Sounds to me like the problem is it's still a CURRENT stupidity.

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    3. Re:Irrelevant by Feanturi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your country also spells "thru". Larger values of stupid doesn't make something more correct somehow, just more stupid.

  2. Can't be google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely the problem is with the discrimination within the Japanese people and has nothing to do with Google.
    There is no difference between a person from one linage to another other than maybe their name and genetic make up.
    Just because their great great great grandfather might have killed people for a living doesn't mean that the person applying for a job now is strange in some way.

    It is obviously an old custom which is not equal and fair into days society thus the problem is not with Google.

    1. Re:Can't be google by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yah, I read this article as: "Japanese people are racist (classist, I guess), and it's somehow Google's fault."

      But really, is this a surprise to anybody? The least-diverse country in the world in racist! Shocking!

    2. Re:Can't be google by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, lets say some European company did the same thing with slave plantations in the USA. Say I use that to make racist comments. Surely the fault isn't on me because I'm just a pawn in society and surely society isn't at fault because theres nothing wrong with discrimination. The same logic applies here. Discrimination is fundamentally wrong, I'm sure we can all agree on that. Therefore, the logical conclusion would be societies based on discrimination would be wrong also. The Japanese culture is a very modern culture. This isn't about some tribe of people in Africa who made first contact with any other groups of people 20 years ago, but a culture on par with that of Europe and America. Discrimination should not be tolerated, its a flaw of the society and culture.

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  3. Mike Rowe as a good will ambassador by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What Japan needs is some enlightment that can only come with a few episodes of Discovery Channel's Dirty Jobs. Watching Mike Rowe trying to shovel disgusting refuse from a leatherworking facility is not only entertaining, it teaches that those jobs are A) pretty difficult to learn and B) fundamentally necessary for civilization to continue!

    1. Re:Mike Rowe as a good will ambassador by trytoguess · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um... no. The fact that a job is difficult, or necessary doesn't somehow make people more respective. Notice the lack of respect for blue collar jobs in our own culture (and probably Japan as well).

    2. Re:Mike Rowe as a good will ambassador by Supurcell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean how we enshrine our(American) blue collar workers as the heroes in almost all our action movies? We spin tales of steel workers, lumberjacks, beat cops, butchers, plumbers and mechanics rising above their station and making things better for themselves and their families. There is a great respect for people who work with their hands and actually have useful skills that apply to the real world. They don't just fill out TPS reports and file worthless paperwork, they can fix their own car, build their own house, and dispense their own brand of justice.

    3. Re:Mike Rowe as a good will ambassador by rhakka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but look what you yourself wrote. "...rising above their station..."

      You wouldn't say that about a doctor or an astronaut or a scientist. The fact that their blue collar existence is a "station to be risen above" is a subtle form of bigotry.

  4. How not to fix a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your solution to a problem is, "We need less truth" then you are probably trying to solve the wrong problem.

  5. The cost of freedom by Chairboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    History is ugly. It's full of all the crappy things we did, and exists in part as a document to study so we can try and improve. "Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it", but if the ugly parts are expunged, then we are erasing exactly what's needed to avoid recurrence.

    Also, all oppression begins with "We must do this to protect the innocent". Whether the darkest part of the oppression comes a month later at the hands of the current controlling authority or a century later as a result of ignorance, it still exists and is the inevitable result of censorship.

  6. Reasons by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am surprised that the "employee at a large, well-known Japanese company" was not asked *why* are they doing that. They consider it normal, alright. I know that, since I knew the problem existed even in 1980's. But I am much more interested why are Eta/Burakumin/Shinheimin/whoever treated this way by people who cannot possibly remember the Edo period.

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    1. Re:Reasons by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just out of curiosity, how do you call a person who has three white and one black grand parent?

      How about 'American'? I can't be the only one that is sick of the practice of identifying ourselves based on our racial background. If I wanted to I could call myself a Polish/German/Jewish/Native/English-American. Why I would do that when those connections are generations old is beyond me. I'm an American. Plain and simple.

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    2. Re:Reasons by that+IT+girl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But this goes both ways too -- people should neither hate NOR grovel about the past. Just drop it. Don't deny someone their rights, but don't overdo it swinging the other direction too far either. Racism in both 'negative' (hate, denying people a job, etc) and 'positive' (slave reparations, affirmative action, etc) ways are still bad in that they take race into account at all. As long as people MAKE race an issue, it will be one. Saying someone is different because they are white or black or red or yellow is the same as saying my car is different from yours, or performs better, or is more reliable, because it's a different colour. It makes no sense.

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    3. Re:Reasons by bursch-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even better: if your ancestors where white people from South Africa, are you an African American then? I'd say by definition, yes.

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    4. Re:Reasons by atraintocry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As he should.

      I once had a psych teacher refer to Africans (living in Africa, mind you) as African-American, because the discussion centered on skin color.

      I have nothing against cultural sensitivity, but people should just say 'black' if they're planning on being retarded.

  7. Stupidest story ever. by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, if a hammer is used to build a cross that the KKK burn on someone's front yard, the hammer is "enabling" racist pigs? I guess white sheets and fire enable racism too?

    Please.

    Google Maps is a map. If some racist/classist/hidebound Japanese use it for perpetuating reactionary stupid stereotypes, how is Google at fault?

    SLOW NEWS DAY, +1

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    1. Re:Stupidest story ever. by Zorque · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So I'm assuming you knew all about the burakumin before reading the story, and were already sympathetic to their plight. Google helped the outside world to understand a social wrong occurring in a civilized country where it shouldn't be happening, I'm not sure how that counts as a slow news day.

  8. Best to shine a light on this by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least now the bone-headed practice of this discrimination is known by the outside world, and the appropriate amount of scorn, ridicule, and disapproval can be heaped on the superstitious throw-back practitioners of the discrimination.

    Companies and governments from elsewhere could check whether this practice is occurring, and blacklist Japanese companies that are shown to practice this human-rights violation.

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  9. Definitely irrelevant by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Knowledge is knowledge. How a bunch of inbred tribals use that knowledge isn't the responsibility of the people who discover and/or make it available.

    The Japanese have a problem with discrimination, not Google, not the web, and not the United States. Let Japan solve the problem, don't make it a Google problem, a web problem, or a United States problem.

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    1. Re:Definitely irrelevant by laughingcoyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Knowledge is knowledge. How a bunch of inbred tribals use that knowledge isn't the responsibility of the people who discover and/or make it available.

      The Japanese have a problem with discrimination, not Google, not the web, and not the United States. Let Japan solve the problem, don't make it a Google problem, a web problem, or a United States problem.

      It is true that racism is ultimately a problem with the racist. However, that doesn't mean there's not any issue here. The maps Google is using use what is apparently a racial slur to describe these areas.

      That's probably unintentional, and I doubt they had any idea that the term was a slur. However, if it was brought to Google's attention that a map overlay in America referred to certain areas as "nigger ghettos", do you think people wouldn't expect Google to find a map that didn't use such terms, even if their use of that map was through oversight rather than malice?

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  10. Re:"maps are never neutral" by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, maps do have a certain point of view. The finest thief in history was the first person who drew a property map.

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