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Japan Launches 'Buddha Phone'

CNETNate writes "The Japanese Odin 99 handset isn't a regular video-enabled phone. It's geared, perhaps somewhat ironically, towards the Buddhist geek. Aside from regular cell phone features, a dedicated button loads a private, customizable, animated altar on the phone's screen. The idea is to allow Buddhists to perform their dedications conveniently on-the-go. You can simulate incense burning, purification rites and play music to help you meditate wherever you happen to be. The question is, does such a device somewhat negate the values a Buddhist would stand for?"

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  1. Umm... by SCPRedMage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The question is, does such a device somewhat negate the values a Buddhist would stand for?"

    Yes.

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    1. Re:Umm... by dave562 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      +1.

      My experience with Buddhism (Chan / Zen) has been that the intention behind the practices involves becoming mindful and living in the moment. One of the key aspects of the training involves sitting in meditation and just "being". It isn't that a person lights incense for the sake of lighting incense. They might incense so that they can focus on the incense and meditate on it as it burns.

      I personally meditate on the train quite often. My Blackberry doesn't meditate for me. I do the meditating.

      Buddhism is like any other religion. There are a lot of people who get so caught up in the rituals of the religion that they don't fully understand the underlying reason for doing the ritual in the first place. It's not like once you've lit your 10,000th stick of incense, some guy named Buddha appears before you, smacks you on the forehead to open up your third eye and then you're suddenly enlightened.

    2. Re:Umm... by Starayo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not like once you've lit your 10,000th stick of incense, some guy named Buddha appears before you, smacks you on the forehead to open up your third eye and then you're suddenly enlightened.

      That would be pretty awesome, though. I'd convert.

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    3. Re:Umm... by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 4, Funny

      not like once you've lit your 10,000th stick of incense, some guy named Buddha appears before you, smacks you on the forehead to open up your third eye and then you're suddenly enlightened.

      It usually takes several smacks.

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  2. C&E by merreborn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suppose this represents a form of religion no more watered down than that practiced by your average "christmas and easter christian" over here in the states.

    The world is full of people who don't take their professed religions seriously.

    1. Re:C&E by ZigiSamblak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The world is full of people who don't take their professed religions seriously.

      Which seems preferable to a world full of religious extremists to me, but then I am an atheist.

    2. Re:C&E by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      The world is full of people who don't take their professed religions seriously.

      On behalf of agnostics worldwide, I -might- be offended by that statement.

    3. Re:C&E by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "And why can't one take religious seriously and not be a violent extremist, or even a bigot?"

      I don't know. Why?

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  3. Depends on your kind of Buddhism by Grond · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you're talking about Tibetan Buddhism, then no, this doesn't really 'negate the values a Buddhist would stand for.' To wit: "His Holiness the Dalai Lama has said that having the mantra on your computer works the same as a traditional prayer wheel. Since a computer's hard disk spins hundreds of thousands of times per hour, and can contain many copies of the mantra, anyone who wants to can turn their computer into a prayer wheel."

    A Zen Buddhist might look at it differently, though.

    1. Re:Depends on your kind of Buddhism by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Three Zen Buddhist monks standing on a hill on a breezy day observe a prayer flag flapping in the wind.

      The first monk says "Flag is moving."

      The second monk says "Wind is moving."

      The third monks cell-phone plays the crazy-frog ring-tone as he gets spam SMS'd by his provider.

      All three monks fail to achieve enlightenment.

    2. Re:Depends on your kind of Buddhism by MadLad · · Score: 4, Informative

      That would be the answer according to a dualistic, naive conception of reality and causality (which most of us have, most of the time) but it's not the correct answer in the Buddhist version of the story.

      In the traditional story, the 'third monk' is actually the teacher of the other two monks. Following their two inadequate answers, he rebukes them and says:

      "It is the mind that moves."

      The monks' answers are deemed inadequate because they are dualistic: they make a distinction, in a fundamental way, between the wind and the flag (and, in fact, movement as such), and then try to think whether movement begins with the one or with the other, or whether movement can be considered apart from that which moves.

      But to distinguish 'movement', 'flag', or 'wind' as particularities of what is, beforehand, an unparticularised situation, is a movement of the mind. It is the monks' dualistically inclined minds which move towards a view, and any particular view is partial and therefore inadequate. So the master's answer is the 'correct' one, as it's the most accurate and apposite statement of what's happening.

  4. Not quite by Jangchub · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, it depends on what tradition of Buddhism the practitioner follows, their personal path, his or her Guru or Teacher (if they have one), that guru's teaching style, and not least of all the individual's personality and life situation. I spent five years as a live-in volunteer at a Buddhist center where I practiced and received traditional training and met many Buddhists of many types, with and without cell phones; simple westerners that were ordained monks and Tibetan Rinpoches who drove Mercedes.

    The idea that a Buddhist is some Vietnamese guy with saffron robes and a shaved head chanting "Ommm" all day is not quite in touch with reality. I am not directing this at you personally but at your posts blasé answer: I have found in my conversations that the majority of people who voice any opinion about Buddhism have gleaned their learning from pop culture and suffer greatly from the root cause of samsara: ignorance.

    1. Re:Not quite by SCPRedMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it helps any, I think that such crass commercialization negates pretty much any value system.

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    2. Re:Not quite by Jangchub · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We can agree that it is quite stupid and an exploit of a spiritual practice (it seems easier to me to sell snake oil and useless consumer junk to spiritual people than to more secular individuals but that's just a hunch) but the original assertion that it is against some tenet of Buddhism is a simple answer to a complex question.

    3. Re:Not quite by Nutria · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it seems easier to me to sell snake oil and useless consumer junk to spiritual people than to more secular individuals but that's just a hunch

      Considering that most geeks think of themselves as secular, and have (or aspire to have) iPhones, iPods, Androids, Crackberries, multitools and just about the whole ThinkGeek inventory, I'd say that it's an invalid hunch.

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    4. Re:Not quite by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Informative

      pfft, most all the citizens you dealt with over there were Buddhists. Buddhists in business suits, Buddhists in swim suits, Buddhists in school uniforms, even naked Buddhist pole dancers......

    5. Re:Not quite by F34nor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The funny part about this is that Buddhism IS SECULAR. There is no debate here either. Buddha specifically said he knew nothing about god, the afterlife, or anything spiritual. All he figured out was why humans suffer on earth and how to eliminate suffering. Life is suffering, wanting things makes you suffer, to end suffering end desire, and don't be a dick. Where's god? Nowhere. Just because the Tibetans hybridized his teachings with tantric yoga or because Asians like to burn incense and build gold Buddhas has no impact on his teachings and philosophy.

    6. Re:Not quite by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Buddhism is not purely defined by what Buddha said. You cannot discount thousands of years of teaching and tradition as having "no impact".

      The plain and simple fact is that the vast majority of Buddhists in the world today believe in spiritual things. Good luck convincing them that the religion they have followed all their lives is really a secular philosophy.

      Well said. If Christians actually followed the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, the world would be a much better place. If Muslims actually followed the ethical code written down by Mohammed, the same applies. Every one of our great religious traditions (with the possible exception of Judaism) was founded by a great moral teacher with real and humane insights, and then corrupted into something almost diametrically opposite usually within the first couple of hundred years.

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  5. Polly McPee by dissy · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can simulate incense burning, purification rites and play music to help you meditate wherever you happen to be.

    You could, but only once, then you need to buy a new Buddha phone.

  6. Whose sensibilities is this supposed to offend? by hdon · · Score: 3, Funny

    It offends me more than it would most Tibetan Buddhists! How can you market this "phone?" It looks to me like a phone with some very simple software installed. The controlling powers that make a phone with specific software on it into a commodity worth seeking after are people I find very offensive indeed!

  7. A Jewish version by sageres · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a Jew, I am supposed to pray three times per day, so thanks to the collections of programs like these: (http://www.pilotyid.com/hebrew-texts.php) -- I now pray from my Treo. Beats carrying a book around with me. Except for Shabboth of course, when we are not allowed to use a phone. But I found that lots and lots of people are doing it, and hey -- just like the printing press invention revolutionized publication of religious literature around the world, from Bible to Koran and Talmud, the same way the technology revolutionizes an aspect of religion, that one hundred years from now we'll look at as a standard practice... And who knows what other inventions will revolutionize it farther?

  8. Chinese not Japanese. Submitter should read TFA by Bushcat · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a Chinese-made phone available in China and Hong Kong. Submitter should comprehend what s/he reads. CNET reporting CNET Japan reporting on a Chinese product does not make it a Japanese product or a Japanese launch.

  9. Man, Sometimes the Satire Writes Itself... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Other Models On Deck If This One's a Success:

    1. The Muslim Phone: All Voice Mail Self Destructs in 5 Seconds

    2. The Catholic Phone: Reaches Out And Touches... small children.

    3. The Jewish Phone: Features downloadable "whine-tones"

    4. The Hindu Phone: Comes in only Bright Blue, but six different models, one for each hand.

    5. The Wiccan Phone: You can't actually answer it, it just has one big "ignore" button

    6. The Jehovah's Witness Phone: Can be programmed to also ring your doorbell.

    7. The Mormon Phone: Comes in His and Hers... and Hers... and Hers... and also Hers sets.

    OK, that's top of the head, low-hanging fruit... the rest are up to you...

    1. Re:Man, Sometimes the Satire Writes Itself... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

      The agnostic phone: you're never sure whether it is currently vibrating in your pocket.

      Actually, I was thinking - The agnostic phone: There's no earpiece, so while you can dial a number and talk into it, you're never sure if you've made a connection or if there's anyone listening at the other end.

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  10. You are going to hell for that! by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 4, Funny

    You have made SEVEN gods very angry. The only thing that can save you is converting to Atheism.